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Ergonine

pro45 said:
Just got this. What's the verdict with you guy's who've used it??
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It works well as a nice and easy non-stim pre-workout. Makes a great base for a "Build Your Own" pre-workout too, maybe add 4-6g of L-Citrulline and/or some caffeine (if you prefer a little stim).
 
Yeah I’ve been on ergonine for several months now. It’s a damn near perfect sup. Iced tea is my favorite.
 
TheMrMuscle said:
I like them all. Think I might rate Tropical ahead of Nanaberry with Ice tea third.
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I've heard a lot of positives on the tropical flavor as well...

I'd try tropical if I were you and see how it treats you.
 
I got a free sample of I believe the iced tea last year at the Arnold and tbh it was hard to choke down. May try the tropical
 
AntM1564 said:
A staple product and all the flavors are great
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Can ergonine be taken post workout as well? I see the directions say pre but I’m already content and locked down with my pre workout (bought all effective ingredients in bulk for cheap). I’m interested if this may be a decent post workout supplement for recovery given the creatine/glutamine/HICA etc. Just curious!
 
Wildcat528 said:
Can ergonine be taken post workout as well? I see the directions say pre but I’m already content and locked down with my pre workout (bought all effective ingredients in bulk for cheap). I’m interested if this may be a decent post workout supplement for recovery given the creatine/glutamine/HICA etc. Just curious!
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Post workout would also be a good time as it's packed with recovery support ingredients and daily staples such as creatine and Betaine
 
It's a great idea for a supplement but honestly I couldn't stomach the flavors no matter how much water I used. I was using unflavored and adding to different preworkout supplements I used.
 
Slims said:
Post workout would also be a good time as it's packed with recovery support ingredients and daily staples such as creatine and Betaine
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Thanks man! The one thing that deters me is the HICA. All of the actual studies I’ve seen have it separated out into 3 doses at 500mg each. That’s where the muscle growth benefits were seen. But taking 1500mg at once in no way signifies it’ll have the same effect as 3x500 mg. It’s the same thing with leucine; if you take 5 grams of leucine 3 times a day it will have a significantly better effect than taking 15 grams once a day (based on the kinetics and limits of MPS). Unless studies have been done on HICA at a single 1500mg dose once a day that I’m missing. Could always just take 1/3 scoop pre workout, post workout, and later though I guess?
 
Wildcat528 said:
Thanks man! The one thing that deters me is the HICA. All of the actual studies I’ve seen have it separated out into 3 doses at 500mg each. That’s where the muscle growth benefits were seen. But taking 1500mg at once in no way signifies it’ll have the same effect as 3x500 mg. It’s the same thing with leucine; if you take 5 grams of leucine 3 times a day it will have a significantly better effect than taking 15 grams once a day (based on the kinetics and limits of MPS). Unless studies have been done on HICA at a single 1500mg dose once a day that I’m missing. Could always just take 1/3 scoop pre workout, post workout, and later though I guess?
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That's how I originally want to take it. 1/3 scoop, 3x a day.
 
pro45 said:
That's how I originally want to take it. 1/3 scoop, 3x a day.
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Agreed for sure. I don’t think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. I’d also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I don’t believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think it’s probably a VERY good way to ensure you’re maxing out your body’s muscle protein synthesis. Or that’s my thinking at least
 
Wildcat528 said:
Agreed for sure. I don’t think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. I’d also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I don’t believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think it’s probably a VERY good way to ensure you’re maxing out your body’s muscle protein synthesis. Or that’s my thinking at least
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Yes, I am debating whether I should do the added l-leucine, or HMB. Should be interesting...
 
Oh my dude you gotta go with the leucine just based on the economics alone! You can get quality bulk leucine for reaaaaaal cheap compared to HMB. I think I got half a kilo for like $25-30 or something silly. I’d save the money you didn’t spend on hmb pick up another ergonine or two! But I agree, should be very interesting indeed!
 
Wildcat528 said:
Agreed for sure. I don’t think it would be wise to just take a full dose once a day assuming your main priority is to stimulate muscle growth. I’d also love to see how this goes with the addition of 3-5 grams leucine per 1/3 scoop. I don’t believe the studies have ever done a comparison between the l-leucine and HICA which would be interesting. I mean it may just be redundant assuming identical MOA/receptor sites or whatnot (I mean it is a metabolite after all) but I think it’s probably a VERY good way to ensure you’re maxing out your body’s muscle protein synthesis. Or that’s my thinking at least
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Leucine is more "anabolic" while HICA and HMB are more "anti-catabolic." In short, a "full" dose of leucine is going to stimulate MPS much more effectively than a full dose of HICA/HMB, but a full dose of HICA/HMB is going to be more anti-catabolic than a full dose of leucine; I wouldn't say that taking HMB/HICA provides no additional benefits if you're already taking leucine. The real argument/question is if you're doing enough (volume/frequency) that you would benefits from the anti-catabolic effects or not.

I also wouldn't worry about taking the full daily dose of HMB/HICA once instead of split if I'm being honest. I think I actually recall seeing something showing that the HMB powder (the old stuff, not the fancy new HMB-FA) is best, or at least good, when the full 3g dose is taken pre-workout.
Wildcat528 said:
Oh my dude you gotta go with the leucine just based on the economics alone! You can get quality bulk leucine for reaaaaaal cheap compared to HMB. I think I got half a kilo for like $25-30 or something silly. I’d save the money you didn’t spend on hmb pick up another ergonine or two! But I agree, should be very interesting indeed!
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HMB isn't that expensive. You can get it for $74/kg, which comes out to under $7/month at 3g/day. That said, I don't see a need to use HMB and HICA, so if you're using Ergonine, which has HICA, I don't know if it'd be worth it to also add HMB. I have found HMB to be a bit more effective in terms of improving recovery than HICA, but both work IMO.
 
As an older lifter, HMB is one o the best anti-catabolic sups I've used. Along with creatine mono, it's a great one-two punch. I'm going back to this. With added l-leucine. Should be interesting. I'm completely natural, and 59 years old. Oh, with my Ergonine. :)
 
slimsaw00 said:
It's a great idea for a supplement but honestly I couldn't stomach the flavors no matter how much water I used. I was using unflavored and adding to different preworkout supplements I used.
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You might want to try Finish Line from iForce. I used to love the E9 flavors, especially NB and IT, but now it's hard for me to get them down as well. I haven't tried Finish Line, but I've heard really good things. Main downfall is price.
 
I’m half way through my third tub of the tropical flavour and I’m not a fan. I need to just chug it but there’s always hard little pieces left in it. Anyone else have that problem?

What other products are out there like Ergonine? Triumph whenever it comes back? I see finished line mentioned. Anything else?
 
Oconns28 said:
I’m half way through my third tub of the tropical flavour and I’m not a fan. I need to just chug it but there’s always hard little pieces left in it. Anyone else have that problem?

What other products are out there like Ergonine? Triumph whenever it comes back? I see finished line mentioned. Anything else?
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IntaMax. It does contain WPH, but you have your cryogenic ingredients such as creatine, betaine, and an electrolyte complex. It can be used pre, intra, or post workout. It is buy one get one free currently, PM me and I will get you there.
 
Oconns28 said:
I’m half way through my third tub of the tropical flavour and I’m not a fan. I need to just chug it but there’s always hard little pieces left in it. Anyone else have that problem?

What other products are out there like Ergonine? Triumph whenever it comes back? I see finished line mentioned. Anything else?
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Finish Line by iForce
 
Oconns28 said:
I’m half way through my third tub of the tropical flavour and I’m not a fan. I need to just chug it but there’s always hard little pieces left in it. Anyone else have that problem?

What other products are out there like Ergonine? Triumph whenever it comes back? I see finished line mentioned. Anything else?
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I also don’t like this flavor. I do like nana berry though. For the tropic flavor i threw half a scoop of hydra charge (i think i see that you have this) or a energy bcaa and fill a 24 oz shaker. Sip on it for about 1 hr on my way to work in the mornings and most of those small pieces dissolve.
 
Mowglisml said:
I also don’t like this flavor. I do like nana berry though. For the tropic flavor i threw half a scoop of hydra charge (i think i see that you have this) or a energy bcaa and fill a 24 oz shaker. Sip on it for about 1 hr on my way to work in the mornings and most of those small pieces dissolve.
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Hey thanks yep I’ve mixed it with that and a few other things before lol.
 
Update:
I've been using Ergonine for the past eight days. My weight has gone up five pounds, my waist has reduced by 1/4 of an inch, and I feel very strong in the gym. The only other supplements I'm using is D3 at 5,000IU's per day, fish oil, and a supplement called Humanotropin. I am also 60 years old with 40 years of training experience. I'll report back after my thirty days when I've used both supps for their thirty day allotment. Very interesting so far...
 
pro45 said:
Update:
I've been using Ergonine for the past eight days. My weight has gone up five pounds, my waist has reduced by 1/4 of an inch, and I feel very strong in the gym. The only other supplements I'm using is D3 at 5,000IU's per day, fish oil, and a supplement called Humanotropin. I am also 60 years old with 40 years of training experience. I'll report back after my thirty days when I've used both supps for their thirty day allotment. Very interesting so far...
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Thanks for updating. Have you changed anything recently with your diet or gym routine? Keep it up brother.
 
LiveToLift said:
Thanks for updating. Have you changed anything recently with your diet or gym routine? Keep it up brother.
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Thanks man.... The only thing difference is the use of Humanotropin and my training is a Paul Carter inspired routine. I train every other day. Day one is Chest, Quads, Delts, Tri's. Day two is Back, Bi's, Hams, Calves. 4-6 sets per body part. In and out of the gym in 30-35 minutes. As of today, I've gained an additional 2 1/2 pounds with waist about 1/4" in reduction from April 4th (my last posting on this thread). No cardio.
 
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