colkurtz_spf
The horror
Yes I did mean 10 g of creatine. Thank you for your resonse, and I apologize for posting on this thread. I started a new one days ago asking the same question, but your company did not chime in.Author L. Rea said:
Ergomax LMG/Prostanozol Cycle Log
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colkurtz_spf
The horror
I didn't mean to take over you thread and wish you luck with your blood work,nevergoodenough said:
Cheers!
nevergoodenough
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I'm kind of nervous about getting my bloodwork back, I would really like to be abnormality free. But come to think of it, as long as it can be reversed, my supplement addiction is out of my control and I'm not sure a whole not can stop me. Still pretty sore from my chest workout a few days ago and I'm definetly feeling it in my traps and shoulders. Today is no carbs so I'm kind of a cranky fucker, Tomorrow is legs and high carbs with a possible cheat meal thrown in there. Haven't noticed a whole lot of difference in terms of leanness lately, hopefully it will pick up. I have not been doing as much cardio as I should (I HATE CARDIO) But I have been at the gym at least 4 days a week. I ordered another bottle of prostanozol that I am going to run solo after the ergomax runs out in about a week, it was weird ordering only the prostanozol I felt like I was forgetting things to buy since usually I buy a bunch of stuff at a time. I'm going to get on that melting point sale tomorrow and add that to my arsenal, I am also waiting on retain (If ALRI needs another tester getting ready for a pct in a few weeks for retain I'm your man!:wave: ). Other than that, I'm out.
nevergoodenough
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The moment everyone has been waiting for, My BLOOD!
Got my blood results back today, I'm not completely sure about what any of the stuff means (I'm a business major), all I know is that I'm not in bad shape, without further adue here they are...
Before cycle: 6/17/2005................................ Expected Range
Cholesterol: 129................................................. <200
Triglcyerides: 28.................................................. <150
HDL Cholesterol: 48............................................... >39
Calculated LDL: 75......................... ........................<100
Risk Ratio LDL/HDL 1.57......................................... <3.55
SGOT (AST): 49 (Out of range)............................... 5-35
SGPHT (ALT): 27................................ ..................7-56
LDH: 229............................................................. 60-270
3 weeks into cycle: 7/13/2005
Cholesterol: 66
Triglycerides: 36
HDL Cholesterol:14 (Out of range)
Calcculated LDL: 45
Risk Ratio LDL/HDL: 3.20
SGOT (AST): 166 (Out of range)
SGPT(ALT): 60 (Out of range)
LDH: 304 (Out of range)
All you blood experts, tell me what you think.
There are a lot of other things in the blood work (glucose, bun, creatinine, uric acid, sodium, potassium, chloride, carbon dioxide, calcium, phosphorus, protein, albumin, globulin, bilirubin, GGT, and Iron) if anybody wants the numbers for those let me know and I'll post them up, I figured for now I would just post the ones I thought applied.
Got my blood results back today, I'm not completely sure about what any of the stuff means (I'm a business major), all I know is that I'm not in bad shape, without further adue here they are...
Before cycle: 6/17/2005................................ Expected Range
Cholesterol: 129................................................. <200
Triglcyerides: 28.................................................. <150
HDL Cholesterol: 48............................................... >39
Calculated LDL: 75......................... ........................<100
Risk Ratio LDL/HDL 1.57......................................... <3.55
SGOT (AST): 49 (Out of range)............................... 5-35
SGPHT (ALT): 27................................ ..................7-56
LDH: 229............................................................. 60-270
3 weeks into cycle: 7/13/2005
Cholesterol: 66
Triglycerides: 36
HDL Cholesterol:14 (Out of range)
Calcculated LDL: 45
Risk Ratio LDL/HDL: 3.20
SGOT (AST): 166 (Out of range)
SGPT(ALT): 60 (Out of range)
LDH: 304 (Out of range)
All you blood experts, tell me what you think.
There are a lot of other things in the blood work (glucose, bun, creatinine, uric acid, sodium, potassium, chloride, carbon dioxide, calcium, phosphorus, protein, albumin, globulin, bilirubin, GGT, and Iron) if anybody wants the numbers for those let me know and I'll post them up, I figured for now I would just post the ones I thought applied.
Anarchy939
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please do post the others, I am interested to see what it did to them.nevergoodenough said:
nevergoodenough
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Ask and you shall recieve...
Here are the rest of them.
Pre Cycle:
Glucose: 76
BUN: 28 (only value out of range 8-25)
Creatinine: 1.2
Uric Acid: 4.9
Sodium:141
Potassium: 3.9
Chloride: 109
Carbon Dioxide: 29
Calcium: 9.2
Phosphorus: 4.3
Protein Total: 7.0
Albumin: 4.6
Globulin: 2.4
Bilirubin, total: .5
Alkaline Phosphatase: 63
GGT:18
Iron:98
Mid Cycle:
Glucose:79
BUN: 21
Creatinine: 1.2
Uric Acid:4.0
Sodium:142
Potassium:4.6
Chloride:105
Carbon Dioxide:27
Calcium: 9.8
Phosphorus:4.2
Protein, total: 7.4
Albumin: 4.8
Globulin: 2.6
Bilirubin, total: .4
Alkaline Phosphatase: 57
GGT: 17
Iron, serum:95
Everything is measured in MG/DL, I just typed all of that with my tongue, so I have no more energy to put the expected ranges, but they all fell within except for my pre cycle BUN.
Here are the rest of them.
Pre Cycle:
Glucose: 76
BUN: 28 (only value out of range 8-25)
Creatinine: 1.2
Uric Acid: 4.9
Sodium:141
Potassium: 3.9
Chloride: 109
Carbon Dioxide: 29
Calcium: 9.2
Phosphorus: 4.3
Protein Total: 7.0
Albumin: 4.6
Globulin: 2.4
Bilirubin, total: .5
Alkaline Phosphatase: 63
GGT:18
Iron:98
Mid Cycle:
Glucose:79
BUN: 21
Creatinine: 1.2
Uric Acid:4.0
Sodium:142
Potassium:4.6
Chloride:105
Carbon Dioxide:27
Calcium: 9.8
Phosphorus:4.2
Protein, total: 7.4
Albumin: 4.8
Globulin: 2.6
Bilirubin, total: .4
Alkaline Phosphatase: 57
GGT: 17
Iron, serum:95
Everything is measured in MG/DL, I just typed all of that with my tongue, so I have no more energy to put the expected ranges, but they all fell within except for my pre cycle BUN.
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
My opinion.nevergoodenough said:
Your baseline values were excellent (lipids particularly), except the BUN and the AST. Your post cycle results are not too bad.
The impact on cholesterol was limited to HDL and with good diet and maybe a few supp will get back soon. I'm positively impressed that LDL has not skyrocketed.
Ergo is obviously pretty harsh on the liver. You should find out why your AST was ALREADY elevated prior to cycle. Any condition will worsen with methyls.
Did you take any liver supp? (milk thristle, ALA, NAC, liv.52)?
nevergoodenough
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No I didnt get any hormone bloodwork done, I was mainly concerned about the liver and cholesterol, I was expecting to be shutdown pretty hard. I think my diet is solid as well as preventative supplements, and since my values are't way out of wack I expect them to jump right back as soon as I finish up the ergomax. The only thing I can think of that my liver would be out of range is because I was on superdrol 2 months before starting the ergomax, and it may have left an impact.
Syr
Hot Italian Goldmember
Not to be the devil's advocate, but after 2 months after a SD cycle liver enzymes should be normalized (mine were btw).nevergoodenough said:
One thing comes to my mind, that one of those liver values can be influenced by heavy training (dont remember whicth one, probably the AST). Did you do your bloodwork without taking at least 2 days off training?
nevergoodenough
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Yea I didnt think it was superdrol either I took milk thistle pct at 1.5 g a day. I think I had trained the day before getting the blood work done.Syr said:
Anarchy939
Member
I'd definately get some follow-up bloodwork done in a few weeks just to be sure..nevergoodenough said:
JonasDavidsson
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Great log,how much have you gained so far in weight? if any?
nevergoodenough
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Last night I was getting out of the shower and I noticed something amazing. I have developed shoulder/chet vains! On both sides of my body on the far side of my chest and on my shoulders I have a webs of vains. They are not pertruding from the skin yet they are just visible but it was very exciting. I have never had them before and to see them is letting me know I am getting very lean. Great biceps/ triceps workout today had a very intense pump, this last week the strength gains have slowed some but I am running low on ergomax I only have about 3 or so days worth left. As I mentioned before I have another bottle of prostanozol on the way that I will run for another month. I took 10mgs of superdrol before my workout today and I plano on using 10mg a day until I am out of the ergomax then I will run 20-25mgs with the prostanozol for about two weeks.
As for weight gain I can't be completely sure as I said in previous posts in the log my main goal was to drop bodyfat, and the caryb cycling diet makes weighing in difficult. If I had to guess I would say my weight is up 5 or 6 pounds not counting the recomposition.
As for weight gain I can't be completely sure as I said in previous posts in the log my main goal was to drop bodyfat, and the caryb cycling diet makes weighing in difficult. If I had to guess I would say my weight is up 5 or 6 pounds not counting the recomposition.
steve777
Member
You mentioned you did a 2 month SD before starting the ergomax cycle as the possible reason for the elevated enzymes. How long did you wait between the end of the SD cycle and the start of the ergomax cycle?nevergoodenough said:
Why are you taking SD with the ergomax now?nevergoodenough said:
nevergoodenough
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No I did a one month SD cycle and waited 2.5 months before starting the ergomax cycle. I am starting a low dose superdrol now to get it in my system so that when I'm done with the ergomax I will be right into the heat of the superdrol.steve777 said:
Paracelsus
New member
"As I mentioned before I have another bottle of prostanozol on
the way that I will run for another month. I took 10mgs of superdrol
before my workout today and I plano on using 10mg a day until I
am out of the ergomax then I will run 20-25mgs with the prostanozol
for about two weeks."
Sounds like you are in pretty deep. I found it very difficult to end my Superdrol
cycle; luckily finances and a few other factors compounded to take care of that
problem! The power, strength, and recovery on cycle were so overwhelming,
being there was a place a hated to leave. Sounds like you are more prepared
than I was though. Anyway, great job on the vascularity. When striations
appear in the glutes you will have truly “arrived.�
the way that I will run for another month. I took 10mgs of superdrol
before my workout today and I plano on using 10mg a day until I
am out of the ergomax then I will run 20-25mgs with the prostanozol
for about two weeks."
Sounds like you are in pretty deep. I found it very difficult to end my Superdrol
cycle; luckily finances and a few other factors compounded to take care of that
problem! The power, strength, and recovery on cycle were so overwhelming,
being there was a place a hated to leave. Sounds like you are more prepared
than I was though. Anyway, great job on the vascularity. When striations
appear in the glutes you will have truly “arrived.�
nevergoodenough
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I doubt I will ever be able to see striations in my glutes if I get them, my ass is way too damn hairy!Paracelsus said:
nevergoodenough
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Chest and back workout today was pretty good. Back was better than chest I guess my eyes were bigger than my muscles today and I started off too heavy with my chest workout and got burned out quick. Solid back workout strength gains have stopped pretty much. I am feeling pretty damn big, not as ripped as I would like to be but damn big. I think I have muscled up quite a bit and not lost as much fat as I would have liked, not to say I haven't lost fat just not as much as I was expecting. Ergomax has turned out to be quite a bit more androgenic than I thought it would be so in addition to massive acne, I also think I'm holding some water, most likely the superdrol will rid that quickly. When I finish with the ergo in a day or two and get the superdrol going at full speed I'm gonna really kick the cardio up and try and cut down.
jonny21
Registered User
IMO would not worry too much about AST probably exercise related elevations due to tissue damage. Especially since GGT looks good. You also appear to be mildly dehydrated as indicated by your elevated Na+, K+, phos. They are WNL but pushing the upper edge. Would also explain the elevated pre-cycle BUN. I would think renal insufficiency with the elevated lytes, elevated BUN and foamy urine, but your creatinine is stable. If BUN & creatinine both go above acceptable limits that would be an indicator of renal dysfunction.nevergoodenough said:
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nevergoodenough
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Thanks for taking a look at my blood. I was dehydrated I went to get the blood taken as soon as I woke up I hadnt drank anything since the previous night. The foamy urine has stopped as of about mid last week, I am going to get my blood taken again in probably another month to see what my body is doing after getting off the ergomax. I think it is really cool how we have experts in so many different areas on the board, you can get your blood work analyzed, your diet fixed and the get a quote on a car repair all in the same place.
nevergoodenough
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Chest is looking mad thick today and so are my traps strangely enough, a little more thinning out has taken place in ab area. I am done with summer school and I am going on leave from work for a month and a half so my schedule is going to open up a lot. I'm going to really try and kick the cardio up as much as possible (6-7 days a week) and really cut up in this next 2 and a half weeks or so. I've survived another no carb today so far, tomorrow is low carb and shoulders and traps (I'm gonna do cardio first thing in the morning too!) Tommorrow is the last day of my ergomax and the first day I will kick up my superdrol to 20mgs, I look forward to the riddance of my acne no more highly androgenics for this boy.
nevergoodenough
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To tell you the truth I haven't really noticed any change in libido, I'm not really sure why because ergomax solo is supposed to shoot the libido up and people are saying the same thing about prostanozol so maybe it has something to do with interaction of the two. I'll see if there is any change when I get off the ergomax.Mr.50 said:
nevergoodenough
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So... With today being the last day of my ergomax it could also mean the last day for my log, I'm fine with continuing it in some fashion drung my superdrol prostanozol/prostanozol solo, I just want to know what others think, if this is useful and I should continue or if I should let it go because it is just taking up board space. So here are the options...
1) Keep the log going in the exact same way it has been done so far
2)Give progressive updates once a week or so or if anything major happens
3) Let it die
1) Keep the log going in the exact same way it has been done so far
2)Give progressive updates once a week or so or if anything major happens
3) Let it die
nevergoodenough
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I have just realized I suck at cardio, I was on my stationary bike for like 3 minutes and I had to get off I can't stand the ****! DAMN IT
eRICH
Member
Def keep the log going. I'm currently running an ergo/prostan cutter and reading your log helps keep me motivated. I'm also interested to see how the SD and extension of the Prostan turns out. On a side note I also havn't noticed any raise in libido from the ergo w/prostan. I wouldn't say i've lost any just not experienced a huge jump like some members have reported with ergo. I was thinking it could be the combo or maybe our younger age? At 21 libido is already pretty high
SHSUStudent
Member
Keep it going with any many updates as possible...
I'm planning on running something very similar in the coming months... I've been glued to this log.
I'm planning on running something very similar in the coming months... I've been glued to this log.
ivydude
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Great log, N.G.E! I know you're primarily into bbing, and probably don't 1 RM, but I was wondering if you had been keeping track of how much your bb bench, squat and deadlift went up? So even if you usually stay in the 4-8 rep range, how much did your lifts go up on this stack? Thanks.
nevergoodenough
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Glad to see people are actually watching this thing and I'm not just talking to myself. I've got plenty of time on my hands now a days with school and work being done for the summer so I'll be able to keep this going as much as I have been, maybe more! I am also glad to see there are more of you that suck at cardio as much as I do. I really wish I could get myself to do it I know my fatloss would be even better, but I cant bear it. Outdoor walking is ok with me but I live in texas and it gets really damn hot unless I go kinda early.
eRich good to hear its not just me experiencing no increase in libido either, there hasnt been a decrease but I haven't experienced anything like I had while I was on 1-test/ 4AD back in january.(libido sky rocketed).
ivydude: I'm not real into 1 RM because I'm not the biggest or strongest guy, I just wanna look good! But my repping strength gains have gone up (This is while cutting which is even more impressive) DBell bench has gone up 10lbs, Leg press has gone up 30lbs, I dont deadlift or squat (I played varsity hockey all through high school and needless to say my body is a little more fragile than it should be) BB bicep curls have gone up about 10lbs as well.
Today was a low carb day, and my last day of work for the summer I splurged and a bag of flamin hot cheetos and a reeses peanut butter cups. But other than that I was good. Solid shoulders and traps workout today, tommorow is high carbs and leg day, I'm going to try to go for a walk in the morning before breakfast, we'll see how that goes.
eRich good to hear its not just me experiencing no increase in libido either, there hasnt been a decrease but I haven't experienced anything like I had while I was on 1-test/ 4AD back in january.(libido sky rocketed).
ivydude: I'm not real into 1 RM because I'm not the biggest or strongest guy, I just wanna look good! But my repping strength gains have gone up (This is while cutting which is even more impressive) DBell bench has gone up 10lbs, Leg press has gone up 30lbs, I dont deadlift or squat (I played varsity hockey all through high school and needless to say my body is a little more fragile than it should be) BB bicep curls have gone up about 10lbs as well.
Today was a low carb day, and my last day of work for the summer I splurged and a bag of flamin hot cheetos and a reeses peanut butter cups. But other than that I was good. Solid shoulders and traps workout today, tommorow is high carbs and leg day, I'm going to try to go for a walk in the morning before breakfast, we'll see how that goes.
Anarchy939
Member
hit up some EC or AMP and you'll be fine w/the cardionevergoodenough said:
nevergoodenough
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Kind of a shitty leg workout today, I did however go for a brisk 35 minute walk this morning, so its a step in the right direction. I'm going to try to go on these 30 minute walks in the morning on lifting days and on non lifting days go to the gym and do some incline treadmill walking for like 45 mintes. First day no ergomax and 2nd day 20mg superdrol. Superdrol definetly makes me more aggressive all day long I've just been ready to snap at any second, and I really have no reason to be in a shitty mood, I need to get some phenibut or something.
nevergoodenough
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I got a girl, it makes cardio more difficult, I have her on the same carb cycling diet and she is on a 3 day a week lifting routine and she hates doing cardio too, she thinks lifting weights is enough. I'm in Austin. All this talk about cardio is making me realize I need to go do some, not looking super lean today a little bloated but I had high carb day yesterday today is no carb we'll see how I look tomorrow.
nevergoodenough
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Just walked outside for about 50 minutes, got a nice little sweat going pretty damn hot already at 11 am, but I'm glad I did it I will feel better about myself for the rest of the day now. Time to eat some egg whites. :cheers:
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SHSUStudent
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I'm in TX too... stuck in Huntsville at the moment going to Sam Houston State. Just moved here from College Station and grew up just north of Houston in the Woodlands.RipdnTxs said:
It's crazy how many people on these boards are from TX.
nevergoodenough
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Good to see the south represented on the boards. I left Austin for the weekend I'm at my parents house in north of Dallas. Diet got away from me yesterday, and will probably stay a little off for the weekend. I was driving out here with my girlfriend, and we were talking about how we were both frustrated from lack of results with this carb cycling diet, (we've been on it for 6-7 weeks and havent seen any huge changes like the article lead us to beleive.) So we took our frustration out on some Popeyes, there goes no carb day:blink: . This weekend Im going to make sure I get plenty of protein but other than that I'm not going to be too strict; I've been on some sort of restricted diet for a long time now, and I think I just need a little breather. Mid cycle is probably not the best time, but if I dont do something Im gonna freak out. Strangely enough after not eating so good yesterday this morning I was still looking pretty good. Plan on lifting bis and tris today and throw in a 30 minute low intensity cardio session afterword for damage control.
Anarchy939
Member
I've got a question for you.. Has the Ergo/Prostanozol stack caused your stomach to bloat? Mine seems to "stick out" more than usual even though I have kept up the same diet so far.nevergoodenough said: