DAdams91982
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Gamer is correct, this is a metabolite of 7-oxo... not a different form, just found a metabolite of the parent hormone that garner effects desired.
ERASE Your Estrogen
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Gamer is correct, this is a metabolite of 7-oxo... not a different form, just found a metabolite of the parent hormone that garner effects desired.
nattydisaster
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No worries guys. Basically, PES is not shipping the product out to stores. We had them directly shipped from the manufacturer. We asked for it to be shipped express to stores, but low and behold, that request was not fulfilled so it was shipped ground. Our manufacturer is in California, and Nutraplanet is in Georgia. That is why there has been a delay, along with the Holiday on Monday. All will be well!
No worries guys. Basically, PES is not shipping the product out to stores. We had them directly shipped from the manufacturer. We asked for it to be shipped express to stores, but low and behold, that request was not fulfilled so it was shipped ground. Our manufacturer is in California, and Nutraplanet is in Georgia. That is why there has been a delay, along with the Holiday on Monday. All will be well!
strester
Member
I really don't know why I can't find an answer to this question (searched here and on other forums and there is no specific answer given by PES), but what is the dosing protocol recommended for ERASE?
I'm thinking of taking 3/day as follows:
1 with breakfast
1 pre-workout
1 with dinner
but will be starting the first week or two as:
1 with breakfast
1 pre-workout
Is there another recommendation by the PES reps?
I'm thinking of taking 3/day as follows:
1 with breakfast
1 pre-workout
1 with dinner
but will be starting the first week or two as:
1 with breakfast
1 pre-workout
Is there another recommendation by the PES reps?
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
If you visit our subforum, NattyD has posted the protocol he designed.
strester
Member
I thought this was the PES subforum.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Sorry, i thought he posted in our sub forum, but it is in the supplements forum.. here you go.
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nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
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F355
Member
nattydisaster,
I really wanted to PM you with this question but I figured I'd just post it in here. I couldn't find an official Erase thread (or didn't look in the Supplement header, lol) so I figured I'd just ask this in the company's section.
My question is kind of complex and I hope to not get flamed for this. For the longest time I have wanted to run an AI but did not want to go the steroidal route. After learning more about human nature and the biochemical aspect of it, I was wondering how is this claimed to be a natural/non-hormonal product? The way I see it is, if it has a typical steroidal structure, then I find it to be, well, steroidal. Now a lot of compounds are claimed to be naturally-occuring; so by this statement I assume that the active compound in Erase naturally occurs in the body, yes?
Now seeing as this is a 7-Keto DHEA metabolite, I'm assuming 7-Keto DHEA occurs naturally as well, right? Now testosterone and HGH both occur naturally as well, but we all know that 1) it's illegal to have without a prescription and 2) it cannot be used like typical supplements because of obvious reasons and complications
So with this said, just because a compound occurs naturally in the body, that compound in the product itself wasn't obtained naturally, is this correct? Erase's active was synthesized in a lab (like all steroids), right? See this is the question/concern I've been trying to find answers to for the longest time but cannot find anything conclusive that helps me understand the concept. What's the difference between naturally-occurring steroids and the ones that aren't? Do the one's that don't occur naturally play a different biological role? Like, do they illicit more side effects than naturally-occurring one's because it is foreign to body? Taking all of this into perspective, are naturally-occurring compounds (steroidal) deemed more natural than the ones that don't occur naturally? Because once again, it's not like saying testosterone would be deemed more natural than creatine, even though both compounds occur-naturally. But what is natural really? Even if something is synthesized, does it all of sudden become fake or unnatural? The elements, catalysts and reaction solutions used to synthesize didn't just come out of nowhere. I'm sure I'm going completely out of topic now.
I'm pretty much asking, just because the active is naturally occurring, it will not necessarily be allowed in some competitive organizations, right? But what's funny to me is that a lot of natural competitive organizations do allow 7-Keto DHEA as well 7-OH (7-hydroxy DHEA) and 5-AT (androstenetriol). My question then is, would this specific 7-Keto DHEA metabolite allowed in the same organizations that allow the latter compounds? Or would I have to contact the organization(s) directly to confirm the status?
This is why I'm pretty damn eager to give Triazole a try. As far as the research goes, none of the compounds seem to be steroidal in structure and people have been getting damn near PH/DS results; that's good enough for me. But Erase looks so promising as well that I don't want to leave it out of the picture. Sorry natty if I kind of skewed the thread on this but I'm just trying to get down to the bottom of it.
I really wanted to PM you with this question but I figured I'd just post it in here. I couldn't find an official Erase thread (or didn't look in the Supplement header, lol) so I figured I'd just ask this in the company's section.
My question is kind of complex and I hope to not get flamed for this. For the longest time I have wanted to run an AI but did not want to go the steroidal route. After learning more about human nature and the biochemical aspect of it, I was wondering how is this claimed to be a natural/non-hormonal product? The way I see it is, if it has a typical steroidal structure, then I find it to be, well, steroidal. Now a lot of compounds are claimed to be naturally-occuring; so by this statement I assume that the active compound in Erase naturally occurs in the body, yes?
Now seeing as this is a 7-Keto DHEA metabolite, I'm assuming 7-Keto DHEA occurs naturally as well, right? Now testosterone and HGH both occur naturally as well, but we all know that 1) it's illegal to have without a prescription and 2) it cannot be used like typical supplements because of obvious reasons and complications
So with this said, just because a compound occurs naturally in the body, that compound in the product itself wasn't obtained naturally, is this correct? Erase's active was synthesized in a lab (like all steroids), right? See this is the question/concern I've been trying to find answers to for the longest time but cannot find anything conclusive that helps me understand the concept. What's the difference between naturally-occurring steroids and the ones that aren't? Do the one's that don't occur naturally play a different biological role? Like, do they illicit more side effects than naturally-occurring one's because it is foreign to body? Taking all of this into perspective, are naturally-occurring compounds (steroidal) deemed more natural than the ones that don't occur naturally? Because once again, it's not like saying testosterone would be deemed more natural than creatine, even though both compounds occur-naturally. But what is natural really? Even if something is synthesized, does it all of sudden become fake or unnatural? The elements, catalysts and reaction solutions used to synthesize didn't just come out of nowhere. I'm sure I'm going completely out of topic now.
I'm pretty much asking, just because the active is naturally occurring, it will not necessarily be allowed in some competitive organizations, right? But what's funny to me is that a lot of natural competitive organizations do allow 7-Keto DHEA as well 7-OH (7-hydroxy DHEA) and 5-AT (androstenetriol). My question then is, would this specific 7-Keto DHEA metabolite allowed in the same organizations that allow the latter compounds? Or would I have to contact the organization(s) directly to confirm the status?
This is why I'm pretty damn eager to give Triazole a try. As far as the research goes, none of the compounds seem to be steroidal in structure and people have been getting damn near PH/DS results; that's good enough for me. But Erase looks so promising as well that I don't want to leave it out of the picture. Sorry natty if I kind of skewed the thread on this but I'm just trying to get down to the bottom of it.
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Cliffs? JK!
I answered in bold above. Do not take offense to anything. Just when answering science based questions I have no nice way of putting things. Thats why no one ever liked studying with me in college
Also I did not proofread a single word and I type faster than my brain works so Im sure they are all over
F355
Member
natty,
No offense taken whatsoever. I understood everything you said. Currently I'm studying pharmacy, but was majoring in physical therapy before until I decided to change it up. Your right, cholesterol is a steroid, specifically a sterol in which a lot of steroidogenesis occurs from. And yes I'm sure I consume a ton of it, considering I eat at least 3 whole eggs a day. Believe me I know steroid(s) does not automatically refer to the anabolic ones, it just got that kind of general rep because of the bodybuilding world. There are tons and tons other applications and mechanisms that steroids are used for, whether in the body or used outside of the body; I understand that Erase is an AI which is just one of many different ways in which a steroid can work, by attacking the aromatase enyzme.
I'm also very much aware that hGH isn't a steroid, I never said it was. I was just making the comparison of how these compounds occur naturally but aren't available or given out like typical supplements; like you said they are controlled for obvious reasons we all know and why. I wasn't comparing the two in structure or on chemical composition, just the fact that they both occur naturally as well.
I also meant to say most supps are made in a lab, not just steroids; I just referred to that since that's what the topic was on. You've made some good points that made me acknowledge the subject better. My question is more on the side of bringing in isolated EXOGENOUS compounds into the body. I don't want my body to become one sided or develop malfunctions in it's ability to reproduce/regenerate natural bodily hormones; don't want my balls to shrink and get shut down pretty much.
Aside from the latter, would it be too much to stack Erase and Triazole in one cycle? Like maybe starting off with Erase then bridging into Triazole, tapering off Erase, and then finishing it off with Triazole? Or would it be better to run them in seperate cycles? I was thinking of just doing a standalone run for both. How long can/should Erase be used for? 4-8 weeks?
No offense taken whatsoever. I understood everything you said. Currently I'm studying pharmacy, but was majoring in physical therapy before until I decided to change it up. Your right, cholesterol is a steroid, specifically a sterol in which a lot of steroidogenesis occurs from. And yes I'm sure I consume a ton of it, considering I eat at least 3 whole eggs a day. Believe me I know steroid(s) does not automatically refer to the anabolic ones, it just got that kind of general rep because of the bodybuilding world. There are tons and tons other applications and mechanisms that steroids are used for, whether in the body or used outside of the body; I understand that Erase is an AI which is just one of many different ways in which a steroid can work, by attacking the aromatase enyzme.
I'm also very much aware that hGH isn't a steroid, I never said it was. I was just making the comparison of how these compounds occur naturally but aren't available or given out like typical supplements; like you said they are controlled for obvious reasons we all know and why. I wasn't comparing the two in structure or on chemical composition, just the fact that they both occur naturally as well.
I also meant to say most supps are made in a lab, not just steroids; I just referred to that since that's what the topic was on. You've made some good points that made me acknowledge the subject better. My question is more on the side of bringing in isolated EXOGENOUS compounds into the body. I don't want my body to become one sided or develop malfunctions in it's ability to reproduce/regenerate natural bodily hormones; don't want my balls to shrink and get shut down pretty much.
Aside from the latter, would it be too much to stack Erase and Triazole in one cycle? Like maybe starting off with Erase then bridging into Triazole, tapering off Erase, and then finishing it off with Triazole? Or would it be better to run them in seperate cycles? I was thinking of just doing a standalone run for both. How long can/should Erase be used for? 4-8 weeks?
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Obviously this discussion could go on forever, but, I recommend you try it out and see how it goes.
F355
Member
Thanks natty, this pretty much summed up what I wanted to know; I just needed to hear it (or read it) from someone. Erase doesn't act directly on testosterone levels because it doesn't bind to the androgen receptor, got it. Since it acts on aromatase, it prevents testosterone from being converted into estrogens, got that also. So one more question, since it inhibits aromatase from converting testosterone to estrogen, how does exactly increase natural testosterone?
Does the "increase" come from just your natural testosterone staying more active from the inhibition of aromatase so that it doesn't convert to estrogens or is it because the body senses low levels of estrogens, that it HAS to increase testosterone to make up for low levels of estrogen?
I'm sure you've answered but just so I understand fully, testosterone increase is caused by an indirect mechanism via aromatase inhibition, correct? Because if it was a direct net increase then that would mean Erase would be binding to the androgen receptor, in which it does not, am I right?
nattydisaster
PESCIENCE.com
Testosterone and Estrogen are inversely related by the aromatase enzyme...like a seesaw. Say your have 100 blue M&Ms. Lets pretend these ones are testosterone. Lets say that on an average day 50 of these blue M&M's are converted to blue M&Ms by the aromatase enzyme. Red ones represent estrogen. So now, you have only 50 testosterone M&Ms because of that damn aromatase enzyme converting so many of them to red estrogen ones
.But then you took a normal dose of Erase. Erase kept this enzyme from doing the conversion. So now, when you take those 100 blue M&Ms, only 20 of them get converted to estrogen. That leaves you with 80 as Testosterone instead of 50!
Make sense?
I think you already understood it, as your statement is correct.
You are correct, the increase is indirect by inhibition of aromatase.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Damn, Natty beat me to it! 
ax1
Legend
Damn, Natty beat me to it!
good....now go spend the rest of your day with your family.
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
Would you recommend tapering off of Erase? Say if you are taking 3 caps a day for 2 weeks then slowly taper to 2 caps a day for a week then 1 cap a day for the last week?
Reason I ask is that since Erase is a suicide inhibitor which causes more test to be available via the binding to the aromatase enzyme...once you have removed the suicide inhibitor will there be any sort of rebound if you were to stop cold turkey? Cold turkey meaning 4 weeks at 3 caps a day to nothing? Or would the body revert back to its homeostasis unaffected?
The MOA sounds very effective by the way. Truly impressive.
Reason I ask is that since Erase is a suicide inhibitor which causes more test to be available via the binding to the aromatase enzyme...once you have removed the suicide inhibitor will there be any sort of rebound if you were to stop cold turkey? Cold turkey meaning 4 weeks at 3 caps a day to nothing? Or would the body revert back to its homeostasis unaffected?
The MOA sounds very effective by the way. Truly impressive.
F355
Member
Sorry bro, but I have huge interest in learning how things work, especially when it comes to human biology. There isn't a science section on this forum (which I think there should be) or else I would've posted in there. Also the thing is, reps and company owners/managers sometimes have a hard time, for whatever reason, replying back to my PMs about a product; even after I resend the same message. Plus if I post it in a thread, other people have a chance to respond to my question(s) if they have some knowledge about it.
BLsGalant97
New member
Hello everyone. I was hoping for some input to help me in my situation. I had done a stack years ago. Its been so long that I to figure when and what I actually took. The cycle included E Max and Prostanozol back in 2005. I had some great results and went through a decent PCT.
I never did another cycle again and basically lost focus on my body/working out due to a back injury and some personal issues i needed to deal with. Over the past 5 years, I noticed that my left breast began to be sore and develop a mass under the nipple. At first it was hard to tell, even by the doctor, but now it has peaked and is very noticeable and basically full gynecomastic, only in my left breast though. I went through testing, biopsy etc. Doctor really never gave me answers how to fully treat.
My question: Is ERASE a product that might help my and my situation?
Also, is it normal for gyno to develop and continue to develop 5 years after a cycle?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
I never did another cycle again and basically lost focus on my body/working out due to a back injury and some personal issues i needed to deal with. Over the past 5 years, I noticed that my left breast began to be sore and develop a mass under the nipple. At first it was hard to tell, even by the doctor, but now it has peaked and is very noticeable and basically full gynecomastic, only in my left breast though. I went through testing, biopsy etc. Doctor really never gave me answers how to fully treat.
My question: Is ERASE a product that might help my and my situation?
Also, is it normal for gyno to develop and continue to develop 5 years after a cycle?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
ax1
Legend
hey..dont worry about it man..we like to have some fun on the forums, and we are familiar with natty so we are just busting his chops...
i think you are asking great questions, and we are all getting great information. ive read everything here...
keep it up!
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
No, there will not be a rebound.
Since the compound binds to aromatase, then the body excretes it, the aromatase if gone for good. When you cease the product, the amount of aromatase you generate is really dependent on how much fat that person holds. So there is a limit to how much is generated within say one day. The aromatase will begin binding to the testosterone pretty quickly bringing your levels back down to homeostasis and your estrogen back up to homeostasis. Since the extra test is really unconverted test, when the levels are back to normal, they are back to normal.
Hopefully that made sense, since I am a little foggy before the coffee.
GoHardOrGoHme
Board Sponsor
It made perfect sense...to me at least. I was unsure that was the case but you clarified it quite nicely with the above post. Thank you
thebigt
Legend
there you go-with the detailed answers natty has been giving you, just one more reason to buy pes-did i mention that pes is prop blend free!!!!:147:
BLsGalant97
New member
Anyone?
Delta Force
PES Rep
Although gyno can rebound anytime 5 years later is a long time but if I read you right you're had it for awhile and now its getting worst/bigger.
I think you would definitely benefit from taking Erase it will lower you estrogen and cortizol levels, AM member gamer which was one of the first testers reported good success on reducing his gyno.
Delta Force
PES Rep
you bring up a very good point Tom... there's no prop blend in Erase... that means you know exactly what you're taking and how much you're taking... thats an honest product :bigok:
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Sorry, I must have skimmed over it. As Delta said it could possibly help your situation, but after 5 years of having it, it may be a beast to treat.
Tamox is still the gold standard for gyno reduction. Since it competes for the receptors in the breast tissue it is ideal for that situation, but if it is still developing that it is feeding on high estrogen. I personally would dose 40mgs Tamox a day for 1.5 - 2 weeks and then reassess by checking for size and tenderness. Along the road i would cruise at 1 cap of Erase to lower your aromatase, but not eliminate it.. more so to bring your estrogen down to normal levels.
BLsGalant97
New member
Thanks
new911
New member
This is my first post. I am not scientifically knowledgeable and i don't understand most of the slang used on the site ect.
I want to use triazole firstly because i have read good reviews about it and plus it's been backed up with blood work ect ect, my main goal is to gain weight at the moment, i am currently just under 14 stone with about 14-18 body fat percentage.
So my question is...will i get good results from using this?
Will i get any side effects or have any side effects been seen yet or heard of?
can i just take this on it's own or do i have too take something with it?
When i come off it will my body be OK!!! or do i have too take something to wine me of so to speak? (like no cold turkey effect sort of thing) ?
I won't produce man boobs (fat) underneath my chest while using it or afterwards?
And will my sex drive be effected long term... because i know triazole increases sex drive but after you stop taking triazole does that mean you hardly get horny anymore ect ect???
Thank you and sorry to write something which has already been discussed, i just need it simplifying before i go ahead and buy triazole as i don't want any side effects ect ect like off steroids. cheers again i hope for a good reply, you guy's seem to know your stuff big time!!!
I want to use triazole firstly because i have read good reviews about it and plus it's been backed up with blood work ect ect, my main goal is to gain weight at the moment, i am currently just under 14 stone with about 14-18 body fat percentage.
So my question is...will i get good results from using this?
Will i get any side effects or have any side effects been seen yet or heard of?
can i just take this on it's own or do i have too take something with it?
When i come off it will my body be OK!!! or do i have too take something to wine me of so to speak? (like no cold turkey effect sort of thing) ?
I won't produce man boobs (fat) underneath my chest while using it or afterwards?
And will my sex drive be effected long term... because i know triazole increases sex drive but after you stop taking triazole does that mean you hardly get horny anymore ect ect???
Thank you and sorry to write something which has already been discussed, i just need it simplifying before i go ahead and buy triazole as i don't want any side effects ect ect like off steroids. cheers again i hope for a good reply, you guy's seem to know your stuff big time!!!
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
I think you are in the wrong thread my man. This thread is about Erase put out by PES. Triazole is put out by DS.
ax1
Legend
well......since he is here....and im not a rep, lol.....get Erase my man, whats the matter with you?
just kidding....you should look into Erase, the stuff is amazing, not saying Triazole is bad in any way but you should really look into it.