EPISTANE WITH TEST CYP 250

wolfe14

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I am currently on day 6 of my very first PH cycle using EPI...So far I do Not feel or look any different....???? Was curious if you all could give me any insight to how long it usually takes to kick in to start noticing anything? My protocol is 30/30/40/40....

Last night my friend got a shipment of test in and gave me a vial of test cyp 250 and I was wondering can I stack that with the epi at say 250 mg a week??? If so how would you all reccommend incorporating it all? I am pretty lean but seem to have alot of body fat around the mid section...more like blubber covering the abs...I just want it gone and want to completely harden up and increase strength...


thanks for any suggestions...
 
Most people on this forum would agree- don't do steroids until you have reached your body's full potential naturally. AND have become somewhat of an expert by doing research on the subject of steroids. Trust me dude, if you just "ask around" you'll get half true information at best. Save the gear until you have hit like 15% body fat and have been consistently working out for at least a year.
 
timmmah said:
Most people on this forum would agree- don't do steroids until you have reached your body's full potential naturally. AND have become somewhat of an expert by doing research on the subject of steroids. Trust me dude, if you just "ask around" you'll get half true information at best. Save the gear until you have hit like 15% body fat and have been consistently working out for at least a year.
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Thanks for your concern, but I am no rookie to working out bro...I have been lifting hard and consistantly for about 8 yrs...I eat pretty well too...I just never used anything past your basic staples for supps before now.I have also been researching for about a year now and have read and asked alot of questions on AM and have also recieved some great advice from alot of ppl on here as well....So back to my question, Does anyone have an answer?
 
You can't just get a single vial of cyp and decide to run a cycle with it, that's not enough.

And 6'2 sub 200 pounds with "blubber" abs, "BRO" i don't care how much you say you've been working out for 8 years... There's more work to do! Tighten up that diet.
 
i've read alot about people running 500mg of test/week for 10wks and either running epi the first 4 wks or last 4 wks of the cycle...from what i read people noticed much more benefits when using it the last 4 wks of a cycle right before pct
 
UnrealMachine said:
You can't just get a single vial of cyp and decide to run a cycle with it, that's not enough.

And 6'2 sub 200 pounds with "blubber" abs, "BRO" i don't care how much you say you've been working out for 8 years... There's more work to do! Tighten up that diet.
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I have been lifting since i was 18 but serious and regimented for about 3 yrs..The majority of this year i was off due to an accident injury...I am 16% BF...The blubber isnt that bad to evryone else..But to me and my standards it is..I think I may of over exaggerated a bit...But low and behold i just wanted to harden up..I only hold the BF in that area..i am lean everywhere else...I am not new to lifting and dieting
 
currently ending week 4 of Epi at 40 mg..most likely running 6 weeks but going to bump to 50 next week to finish things off...I have 1 vial of test cyp 250 mg so if i run it at 250 a week i would have 10 weeks in there...It will be my first run with anything other than this epi cycle of course so that is why i was only planning on running it at a low dose of 250..My question is: Is it a bad idea to start a 10 weeker of test at 250 mg right now at the 4th week of my 6 week epi cycle? If not then i'm looking for some expert advice on the most probable way to run it....Please NO bashing or flaming!!! Only here for advice and assistance...To Learn..If you all do not agree with my idea then simply just tell me that and i can graciously accept:)

P.S i do have liquid Nolva on hand..

Thanks
 
wolfe14 said:
currently ending week 4 of Epi at 40 mg..most likely running 6 weeks but going to bump to 50 next week to finish things off...I have 1 vial of test cyp 250 mg so if i run it at 250 a week i would have 10 weeks in there...It will be my first run with anything other than this epi cycle of course so that is why i was only planning on running it at a low dose of 250..My question is: Is it a bad idea to start a 10 weeker of test at 250 mg right now at the 4th week of my 6 week epi cycle? If not then i'm looking for some expert advice on the most probable way to run it....Please NO bashing or flaming!!! Only here for advice and assistance...To Learn..If you all do not agree with my idea then simply just tell me that and i can graciously accept:)

P.S i do have liquid Nolva on hand..

Thanks
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Save the test and do another cycle later. Since the test takes like 4 weeks to kick in, it wouldn't be very wise to use it now. In fact, get another bottle so you can run 500mg or so for 12 weeks. Then kickstart that cycle with 4 weeks of an oral, maybe epi if it worked well for you. What are your gains like so far?
 
gains are fair i guess... not really what i was expecting though. i did the asteroid stack for 12 weeks and my gains were equivelant , that was all natty.. i have always seemed to be a bad responder to most stuff I've tried though..I was thinking of bumping to 50 mg for weeks 5 & 6..what do you think about that? i do have 3 bottles of Hdrol maybe i could use that as a kick start with my test cycle?? Also how long between should I wait till i start the test?
 
starting a 250mg a week test C cycle at the END of an Epi cycle is a very bad idea

and i think 250mg a week is pointless. You can save yourself the needle trouble and get a natural test booster and get about the same from it.
 
wolfe14 said:
gains are fair i guess... not really what i was expecting though. i did the asteroid stack for 12 weeks and my gains were equivelant , that was all natty.. i have always seemed to be a bad responder to most stuff I've tried though..I was thinking of bumping to 50 mg for weeks 5 & 6..what do you think about that? i do have 3 bottles of Hdrol maybe i could use that as a kick start with my test cycle?? Also how long between should I wait till i start the test?
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Honestly it sounds like you are not training and/or eating right. At those doses of epi, you should have made some good gains, not "fair" ones. I wouldn't use h-drol to kick off the test because they would be kicking in at about the same time. I would use SD and/or phera, but there are many options. I wouldn't start your next cycle until at least February, maybe March if you do 6 weeks, but I'm new to this as well so...
 
wolfe14 said:
gains are fair i guess... not really what i was expecting though. i did the asteroid stack for 12 weeks and my gains were equivelant , that was all natty.. i have always seemed to be a bad responder to most stuff I've tried though..I was thinking of bumping to 50 mg for weeks 5 & 6..what do you think about that? i do have 3 bottles of Hdrol maybe i could use that as a kick start with my test cycle?? Also how long between should I wait till i start the test?
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Stop with the epi, I have found with most orals after 4 weeks side effects out weigh gains.
For your first test cycle I would recommend running test solo. this way you can judge how you react to what will be the base of future cycles before stacking and not knowing what does what. I mean you wont really know how you react to what you add to test unless you know how you react to just test.
It's a general rule of thumb: time on + pct = time off before next cycle
 
Ok great advice.. thank you all

As for my PCT which i will be starting in about 2 weeks, i have the liquid nolva from a research site.I hear that the dosages are sometimes not the same as the pill form but How should I dose this form? I will be doing 20/20/10/10 along with activate xtreme and lean xtreme...I also have PCS from AI.. But as for the nolva i do have a dropper so how should it be done? just drop it in my mouth, add to drink, what? Also how much do you think would equal the 20 mg i will need?
 
wolfe14 said:
gains are fair i guess... not really what i was expecting though. i did the asteroid stack for 12 weeks and my gains were equivelant , that was all natty.. i have always seemed to be a bad responder to most stuff I've tried though..I was thinking of bumping to 50 mg for weeks 5 & 6..what do you think about that? i do have 3 bottles of Hdrol maybe i could use that as a kick start with my test cycle?? Also how long between should I wait till i start the test?
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Nope. I am seeing sides at 50 mg. Increase BP, bruising and my libido is gone. I would not recommend increasing.
 
heavypieces said:
Nope. I am seeing sides at 50 mg. Increase BP, bruising and my libido is gone. I would not recommend increasing.
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ok Thanks...as for running it at 40 for 6 weeks what do you think? or maybe 5? i am in week 4 now. Or possibly 40 mg thru week 5 and the lowering to 30 mg for the last week?
 
wolfe14 said:
ok Thanks...as for running it at 40 for 6 weeks what do you think? or maybe 5? i am in week 4 now. Or possibly 40 mg thru week 5 and the lowering to 30 mg for the last week?
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I say stop it and start your PCT after week 4. Wait 8 weeks and run 500mg test c/week for 10 weeks! :) Get yourself another vial.. Since you haven't ran SD before I don't think you'd want to kick your test cycle off with it, you could get some bad sides.. Run it solo imho.
 
epilogue said:
I say stop it and start your PCT after week 4. Wait 8 weeks and run 500mg test c/week for 10 weeks! :) Get yourself another vial.. Since you haven't ran SD before I don't think you'd want to kick your test cycle off with it, you could get some bad sides.. Run it solo imho.
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ok will do...Are you saying wait 8 weeks from the day my pct ends or the day my cycle ends?

Also how pronounced is the acne on the face with a test cycle?? i dont mind acne on chest and back but on the face is bothersome..
 
wolfe14 said:
Also how pronounced is the acne on the face with a test cycle??
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hey epilogue, i get questions like these all day, let me lend you my steroid-fortune-telling crystal ball so you can answer
 
UnrealMachine said:
hey epilogue, i get questions like these all day, let me lend you my steroid-fortune-telling crystal ball so you can answer
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You know unreal I'd just assume not get any answers from you at all....You are never helpful and your remarks are full of attitude..You must realize that not EVERYONE has all the answers like you and most of us are on here to learn...That is why we ask questions!! The questions that seem dumb to you are amongst the norm to most who are average and new to this..you were new once too and I'm sure you aksed questions to learn and to get to where you are now!
 
wolfe14 said:
ok will do...Are you saying wait 8 weeks from the day my pct ends or the day my cycle ends?

Also how pronounced is the acne on the face with a test cycle?? i dont mind acne on chest and back but on the face is bothersome..
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Everybody reacts differently, that's what UnrealMachine is saying and he gives good advice, I can vouch for that, don't be too thin skinned dude, he's kidding.,
The acne with test can be bad if you already have acne, again everyone reacts different. I'll say this....Tren causes some face acne on me like a MOFO and it aint pretty.
 
timmmah said:
Everybody reacts differently, that's what UnrealMachine is saying and he gives good advice, I can vouch for that, don't be too thin skinned dude, he's kidding.,
The acne with test can be bad if you already have acne, again everyone reacts different. I'll say this....Tren causes some face acne on me like a MOFO and it aint pretty.
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Thanks...Yeah i know Test can cause acne but just wasn't sure if it was mostly body acne or face for the majority of ppl...that is the main thing that has kept me away from it..I had bad acne for a few yrs as a teen..Not so much anymore, still get it every now and then but its always managable.

But thank you for your response
 
I get a pimples on my forehead right after the cycle is finished, nothing really when on. Nothing on my back or chest. My buddys Chest breaks out after a cycle. Some people break out on cycle, some not at all. You will just have to see what it does for you. You can take some vitimin B6 to help, look into it. And make sure to get another bottle of test.
 
INFLUENCER said:
I get a pimples on my forehead right after the cycle is finished, nothing really when on. Nothing on my back or chest. My buddys Chest breaks out after a cycle. Some people break out on cycle, some not at all. You will just have to see what it does for you. You can take some vitimin B6 to help, look into it. And make sure to get another bottle of test.
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thanks man yeah im gonna hit my buddy up for another bottle...gonna take a month or so off after my epi pct then hit up for 12 weeks...Can I expect to drop BF while on test??
 
wolfe14 said:
Also how pronounced is the acne on the face with a test cycle??
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UnrealMachine said:
hey epilogue, i get questions like these all day, let me lend you my steroid-fortune-telling crystal ball so you can answer
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wolfe14 said:
You know unreal I'd just assume not get any answers from you at all....You are never helpful and your remarks are full of attitude..
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wolfe, show a little accountability... you asked an asinine question. How pronounced is the acne? Really???

Man up, and stop pouting over what everyone else views as an appropriate response to a lame-brained inquiry.
 
wolfe14 said:
thanks man yeah im gonna hit my buddy up for another bottle...gonna take a month or so off after my epi pct then hit up for 12 weeks...Can I expect to drop BF while on test??
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Sure you will drop a bit of fat but that's going to depend on your diet and training mostly if you want to drop a significant amount do cardio and eat clean, BIG but clean.
 
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