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epistane and bad ass mass cycle?

It would seem that the best thing to do would be to take that into PCT by the looks of it. Don't know too much about the product but since it says it stimulates LH/FSH and free's up bound test, thats what I would do with it :).

What dosages you wanting to run Epistane at?
 
Yeah, I agree with LakeMountD. I think BAM and Restore would make for a killer pct when coming off of any cycle.
 
LakeMountD said:
It would seem that the best thing to do would be to take that into post cycle therapy by the looks of it. Don't know too much about the product but since it says it stimulates LH/FSH and free's up bound test, thats what I would do with it :).

What dosages you wanting to run Epistane at?
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There's another thread on her saying that BAM is not a good thing to take post cycle due to the fact that it raises estro and negatively effect HPTA.

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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/l-r-i/57750-spirotanes-bam-cause.html?highlight=bad+ass+mass+for+post+cycle+therapy
 
Here's what AlR had to say:
Author L. Rea said:
BAM has a 4-Spirosten that does cause a mild but effective increase in estrogen. Naturally this is intended as it is a synergist for support of a true pro-anabolic environ. Is it enough to cause HPTA suppression? Yes, but to a far lessor and more normal level, not excessive...and more importantly FAR less than would allow it to be among the group of products that would REQUIRE post cycle therapy. The suppression just is not that significant. It could be used as a bridge between suppressive products, which is what Max was likely referring to. But as an optimal PCT product Restore is better designed for this task. Make sense?
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Chad said:
epi
20mg ed x 2 weeks 30mg ed x 1 week 40mg ed x 1 week
bam
will start on the 3rd week.
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Just thinking out loud, but I think it might be interesting to run BAM first, and Epi right afterwards, possibly having the two overlap for a week. It's a little eccentric, but then again so am I. :twisted: My rationale being 1) the increase in estro from BAM is (from what I've read) necessary for BAM's anabolic effects. 2). Epi would combat this estrogen. 3). 6-8 weeks of highly anabolic environment is (in my opinion at least) better than 4 weeks of an even higher anabolic environment. 4) Stacking is an overly exercised and often unnecessary practice (see Invalid Link Removed for an in-depth look to this philosophy)
 
Yeah brother, you could run the B.A.M. solo, then hit up the Epi, then use the Mass Fx that I know you have waiting in the wings for post cycle therapy (maybe in conjunction with a SERM).

Somehow I think this is not your style though, and I foresee some kind of storm brewing with EPI and TREN.:twisted: :)
 
ill def do that then. its my first time doing these kinds of sups. im going to do another tern cycle after this. would either one go good with tren?

thesinner said:
Just thinking out loud, but I think it might be interesting to run BAM first, and Epi right afterwards, possibly having the two overlap for a week. It's a little eccentric, but then again so am I. :twisted: My rationale being 1) the increase in estro from BAM is (from what I've read) necessary for BAM's anabolic effects. 2). Epi would combat this estrogen. 3). 6-8 weeks of highly anabolic environment is (in my opinion at least) better than 4 weeks of an even higher anabolic environment. 4) Stacking is an overly exercised and often unnecessary practice (see Invalid Link Removed for an in-depth look to this philosophy)
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1) Epi is NOT a supplement. It is a steroid.

2) Tren, from what I hear, is best done with Test. I'm starting a cycle with Havoc (same compound as Epi) in a few weeks, so I am not sure if it is strong enough to counteract the infamous Tren-d*ck.

3) BAM is a definite no. I would not recommend BAM during or post cycle, and it appears that neither would ALR.
 
i have some trans 4AD left from a old cycle.
would it be worth it to finsh it up with the epi and bam?
 
ok so now i should do the BAM last?
i thought you said do it first:aargh:
also do i take BAM with food?
 
Yeah, according to all of the posts/links above BAM should not be taken in post cycle therapy nor with an AI. It sounds like BAM should be used on it's own after PCT or before a cycle (a dry cycle might be desirable as it sounds like BAM might be a little wet).
 
stxnas said:
Yeah, according to all of the posts/links above BAM should not be taken in post cycle therapy nor with an AI. It sounds like BAM should be used on it's own after post cycle therapy or before a cycle (a dry cycle might be desirable as it sounds like BAM might be a little wet).
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ok then so ill bang out this bottle of BAM and then move into the EPI and 4AD
 
so i think im going to roll right into a tren/test cycle at the end of the EPI with no break. i know my body can hang with that and from what i hear BAM and EPI are not that bad on the liver so........... why not right?!
 
Because you might be looking at one hell of a pct due to the boys getting shut down...I would only do one cycle and save the other for later...more isn't always better!
 
stxnas said:
Because you might be looking at one hell of a post cycle therapy due to the boys getting shut down...I would only do one cycle and save the other for later...more isn't always better!
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would it be ok to do a 2 week nolva post cycle and then start the next one? i really want to get a tren cycle in before the end of spring. i already started my bam-epi cycle.
 
Chad said:
would it be ok to do a 2 week nolva post cycle and then start the next one? i really want to get a tren cycle in before the end of spring. i already started my bam-epi cycle.
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I don't think 2 weeks is enough to be considered PCT.
 
You could do Mass Fx and nolva for 4 weeks if you really don't wanna come "off". That should hold you over and give you your androgen fix.:twisted:

Though after talking to Dr. D I'm not sure if you need a SERM with Mass Fx. :think:

I'll get back to you...:run:
 
thesinner said:
I don't think 2 weeks is enough to be considered post cycle therapy.
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You'd be surprised. If he ran the Epi alone he could definitely do a 2 week pct. I was doing 30/40/40/40 and I am currently in day 13 of PCT and am 100% recovered using toremifene, X-Lean (anti-cortisol), and 50mg ATD daily/25mg day/night.

I'm telling you PCT is different with this stuff. But if he stacks it with 4-ad that could be a different story.
 
i have not started the 4AD yet. i would def hold off on that if it would make my post cycyle shorter. i could prob give it to my buddy SS to help with his poor little wrist :( HAHAHA
 
Chad said:
i have not started the 4AD yet. i would def hold off on that if it would make my post cycyle shorter. i could prob give it to my buddy SS to help with his poor little wrist :( HAHAHA
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Well if you run a PCT similar to mine I don't see why you wouldn't be able to run a 2 weeker.

The one nice thing, though, about running Epistane with 4-ad is you can get the gyno protection from aromatisation.

Can't wait to follow your log ;) rep'd! Run a log at IBE Forums if you get a chance.
 
LakeMountD said:
You'd be surprised. If he ran the Epi alone he could definitely do a 2 week post cycle therapy. I was doing 30/40/40/40 and I am currently in day 13 of PCT and am 100% recovered using toremifene, X-Lean (anti-cortisol), and 50mg ATD daily/25mg day/night.

I'm telling you PCT is different with this stuff. But if he stacks it with 4-ad that could be a different story.
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This compound gets more and more interesting the more I read about it. IMO, however, I think that it's better to be safe than sorry. 2 weeks might suffice, but 4 would be a lot safer.
 
thesinner said:
This compound gets more and more interesting the more I read about it. IMO, however, I think that it's better to be safe than sorry. 2 weeks might suffice, but 4 would be a lot safer.
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Agree 100%. I say gauge it yourself, each person will be different but just read your body and see how you feel. I actually gained weight in this second week of PCT so I know I am recovered. I have seen when I am not recovered and it is not pretty considering I am a strong ecto and lose weight easily.

But yes I am not saying a 2 weeker will suffice for everyone but I have horrible genetics and I recovered fine, just putting that out there. Probably due to the serm-like qualities of Epistane.
 
Chad said:
i have not started the 4AD yet. i would def hold off on that if it would make my post cycyle shorter. i could prob give it to my buddy SS to help with his poor little wrist :( HAHAHA
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Congratulations buddy, I see you finally have positive rep!:thumbsup:
 
supersoldier said:
You could do Mass Fx and nolva for 4 weeks if you really don't wanna come "off". That should hold you over and give you your androgen fix.:twisted:

Though after talking to Dr. D I'm not sure if you need a SERM with Mass Fx. :think:

I'll get back to you...:run:
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Dr.D suggests a low dose AI with MFX.
 
LakeMountD said:
Well if you run a post cycle therapy similar to mine I don't see why you wouldn't be able to run a 2 weeker.

The one nice thing, though, about running Epistane with 4-ad is you can get the gyno protection from aromatisation.

Can't wait to follow your log ;) rep'd! Run a log at IBE Forums if you get a chance.
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ill def start up the log soon. thanks for the rep points bro. :woohoo:
 
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