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Epidrol Cycle - Not Saisfyed

Suryoyo

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Hello !!

I am almost finished the third week of Epidrol and not so satisfyed with the result. I´m doing It 30/30/30/40.

Maybe week 4 will be the bomb..

But I wonder If I can go for It for 5 or 6 weeks for better result or bridge to something else for 4weeks.

I eat very well and have all the supplement i need but still very little strenght gains. Almost nothing.
 
Can you be more exact with your diet and lifting routine?
Also, is this your first cycle, and if not, what other steriods have you used?
Age?
 
I'm in the same boat. I finished week 4, and gained about 4lbs LBM. My strength went up greatly (example: Bench press went up 45lbs, Curls went up 25lbs). However, my Mass did not increase much. I just finished week 5, and LBM went up another 5lbs, and BF decreased 2%. I am debating whether to run week six, or just start PCT after week 5, and lose the bloat by mid July.

I'm not sure If I should just go for it, and run through week 6. I guess different people react differently. I have run different compounds through this year. This is my first go with epi, so I don't know what to expect.

I ran MMV2, and M1P earlier this year, and results were awesome. 11lbs of LMB, and leaned out like crazy.

I would also like some opinions. Does Epi kick in late, and is a 6 week cycle common, to reap the benefits.
 
I'm in the same boat. I finished week 4, and gained about 4lbs LBM. My strength went up greatly (example: Bench press went up 45lbs, Curls went up 25lbs). However, my Mass did not increase much. I just finished week 5, and LBM went up another 5lbs, and BF decreased 2%. I am debating whether to run week six, or just start PCT after week 5, and lose the bloat by mid July.

I'm not sure If I should just go for it, and run through week 6. I guess different people react differently. I have run different compounds through this year. This is my first go with epi, so I don't know what to expect.

I ran MMV2, and M1P earlier this year, and results were awesome. 11lbs of LMB, and leaned out like crazy.

I would also like some opinions. Does Epi kick in late, and is a 6 week cycle common, to reap the benefits.

That sounds like it's working just fine for you, those are some of the best results i've heard of, gained 9 pounds while losing 2% bodyfat. And you gained 45 pounds on your bench on 4 weeks of Epi that's amazing. I don't think it kicks in late or anything, it just works differently for different people.

For me it didn't cause any gains. I ran 30/30/40/40 and gained 5 pounds and no strength. Literally no strength not one rep. The 5 pounds was flab from trying to eat enough to gain muscle. It literally didn't work to build muscle. See that's a problem.

OP your problem sounds more like mine. NO strength gains whatsoever. I felt muscular hardness and my vascularity was great on Epi. But i lifted hard, ate a lot, didn't gain any strength.

THe only conclusion I can reach is that Epi just doesn't work well for some people...
 
Age: 27
height: 184cm
weight: 97kg

History:

Jungle warfare 8weeks (redbottle and blue pills) : Best one with very great strenght and gains in muscle.. gain 16lbs

11-oxo 6cap/ed 6weeks, no strenght gains but I got ripped very vell

H-Drol 50/50/75/75/75/75 (6v) very good ganis in strenght and good gains in muscle but still not like Jungle Warfare.. gain 12lbs

And now with Epidrol I am getting more ripped but the strenght gains is a shame, almost nothing. for know I have gained 6-7lbs. (almost finished v3)

There fore I think I will give It maybe 5 or 6 weeks just for the strenght gains or can I bridge to something else ??

I lift 5 times a week, and as I said before, the food is very vell and I have all the supplements I need.
 
I have read so many good things about Epi, and about the great gains, and strength. I am not really impressed. Expected 10+ LBM lbs in 4 weeks, and figured I would get cut. Instead gained 9lbs in 5 weeks, and got bloated (I think it is water, and I should lose that in PCT). I ran 40-40-40-40-40.

I will have to try Jungle warfare for for my fall run.

I will note that with the Epi, I have not shut down. Feel great, the boys are good, no lethargy. Have not done bloodwork, but I know how I feel. I guess that is one good thing about this run.

Not sure if I want to run week six, or not. On my last day today of week 5, and like I said, this week yielded the some results based on lb gains.

I am anxious to incorporate Formex in my PCT. Have seen some great write-ups about the product, and I want to lean out before mid July, and get cut up for the beach.
 
Dempster, sounds like your expectations were high. Gaining 10 pounds in 4 weeks is one thing, but gaining 10+ pounds of pure muscle in 4 weeks is damn hard to do in any way.

I think it's more realistic to run it for 6 weeks, gain 15 pounds, and of the 15 maybe 5-8 will be PURE muscle.

Also Jungle Warfare does not compare to steroids. So i don't see why you would ever run it in a cycle. And gaining 16 pounds off of it is just crazy. Obviously that cycle was so far back that it was easier to gain weight then. Doesn't mean it works better than Epistane.
 
Dempster, sounds like your expectations were high. Gaining 10 pounds in 4 weeks is one thing, but gaining 10+ pounds of pure muscle in 4 weeks is damn hard to do in any way.

I think it's more realistic to run it for 6 weeks, gain 15 pounds, and of the 15 maybe 5-8 will be PURE muscle.

Also Jungle Warfare does not compare to steroids. So i don't see why you would ever run it in a cycle. And gaining 16 pounds off of it is just crazy. Obviously that cycle was so far back that it was easier to gain weight then. Doesn't mean it works better than Epistane.

Jungle warfare contains 6-dmt so it is a steroid. And not just me, I now 4 more friends who has run Jw 6 to 8v and also gaind at least 14-16lbs.
JW is potent.

Now to Epidrol, I will run It for 5 week just for the strenght gains if nothing will happend on week 4.
 
Jungle warfare contains 6-dmt so it is a steroid. And not just me, I now 4 more friends who has run Jw 6 to 8v and also gaind at least 14-16lbs.
JW is potent.

Now to Epidrol, I will run It for 5 week just for the strenght gains if nothing will happend on week 4.

jungle warfare contains trace amounts of 6-dmt....its really methyl atd....its not gonna blow you up....as far as your epi it sounds like you didnt do your homework....you used a drug normally more suited for cutting in an effort to put on size...and now your dissapointed? next time run phera or super if you want some crazy mass...its just not gonna happen from epi....
 
jungle warfare contains trace amounts of 6-dmt....its really methyl atd....its not gonna blow you up....as far as your epi it sounds like you didnt do your homework....you used a drug normally more suited for cutting in an effort to put on size...and now your dissapointed? next time run phera or super if you want some crazy mass...its just not gonna happen from epi....

You have not did your homework, I am not after mass gains, I wrote that I am disaoppoing about the strenght gains.
 
yeah my bad...i got your and dempsters posts a little confused...neither one of you are making sense to me....as for your situation why run epi for strenght? its not going to be a very good compound for that application either.....anything that dries you out like epi probably shouldnt be included in a strenght cycle.....but whatever....its the blanket compound on this site
 
yeah my bad...i got your and dempsters posts a little confused...neither one of you are making sense to me....as for your situation why run epi for strenght? its not going to be a very good compound for that application either.....anything that dries you out like epi probably shouldnt be included in a strenght cycle.....but whatever....its the blanket compound on this site

I´ts ok man.

Next cycle will be M-drol or maybe Epi-Tren, my friend is on Epi-tren and get very ripped and good strenght gains
 
Epidrol doesn't really work that well for a lot of people, it's pretty mild. Next time you may want to run The ONE or M-drol or Tren.
 
I would like to say thanks you for the information; however, I now will attempt at having you supply me with data that supports your educational background and such in this field.

I look forward to hearing from you, and for the soon to be discussed hypothesis that I gathered from your post.

EDIT: I really hope you do not get banned because you bring great view points that are argued without haste. That being said - Welcome to AM. :D
I just want to make a couple of points about methyl epithiostanol, I know that since this is my first post I couldn't possibly know anything but I am a BSc PhD MD and my life's work has been the laboratory synthesis of biochemical signaling molecules such as androgens and anabolic steroids. I have acted as a consultant to many "supplement" companies and I have come to find the supplement is actual reference to the fact the "supplement" their income with you hard earned money.
Point #1: methylepithiostanol is a cytotoxic, antineoplastic a.k.a. a chemotherapy treatment designed for one reason: to kill quickly dividing cells. It does this by inhibiting the unwinding of the DNA helix preventing DNA replication and thus cell division. The cell dies. Your muscle cells just might come under the fast growing definition if you are in an anabolic state.

Point #2: for a while I made money by consulting with supp's companies to find them, and I quote from a prominant CEO "we want <steroids> which have chemical name recognizable as similar to common steroids, and try to find citations of it doing anything better than testosterone, I don't care if its in bumblebee sphincter muscle, I want to say its binds something better"

they do not care if it works or if it will kill you in ten years because they will be retired in the bahamas. Its all about expired patent searches, you couldn't possibly think that some geek like me didn't know about this stuff eons ago. Its so hazardous even for chemo its only allowed for medical use in China. This is no breakthrough molecule

cite: British Patent 977 599 (1964) for preparation to Komeno followed by u.s. patent 3230215 to Shionogi (1964-66)

toxicity study eidem, ibid. 805, C.A. 80, 66865u (1974)
studied extensively in the 70's Antitumor effect in mice / effectiveness in breast cancer / teratogenicity study

True scientific breakthrough of the new millenium. Chemotherapy drugs are among the hardest on the body science has to offer and they've got you taking one we can't even prescribe to a dog. Whats next, the arsenate salt of androdeekkaboldendion-abolesterone?

One more point if I haven't already been banned. The statements made about how this or that is 700 million times more anabolic than testosterone is all semantics. A study came out when i was still in the crib with a rubber tit dangling from my mouth, it measured the binding affinity of many "anabolic" molecules vs. that of testosterone. The target receptors? The diaphragm muscle of some type of bird or rodent, can't remember. Smooth not skeletal muscle, completely different receptor concentrations and they were all over the place with different solvent systems, lack of control, the works. This paper has fueled the PH business for 15 years and not one person has ever stood up and argued it.
I will make this statement and you can quote me, I have made every steroid you can think of from the most basic of feedstock and ran many tests with them on binding affinites , there is nothing man can create synthetically that will bind the androgen receptor stronger than the molecule we have spend millions of years of evolution developing invivo, especially when these synthetic molecules lack even the same orientation of testosterone.

PH and PS are nonsensical terms, what does prosteroid mean, if it is of the cholesterol skeleton it is a steroid, a prohormone undergoes change to become "anabolic" which makes it a pre-hormone, a prohormone would illicit a response of release of hormone, like a signaler or cofactor to release of the hormone by a specific cell or gland of the endocrine system. A prohorme would influence the level of hormone release, not become a hormone.
 
gladly, how would you like for me to outline the syntheses of any of the top steroids, ones you can do in your kitchen from dhea perhaps. possibly metheneolone from 1-test or epi 1-test.
SFU Institute of molecular biology and biochemistry 1997
UBC school of medicine 2001
SFU IMBB Department of Endrocrinology and molecular synthesis (PhD thesis "The utilization of commercial reagents to replicate the invivo biosynthetic pathway of progesterone to testosterone and it's implications regarding the clandestine production of anabolic steroids")
2003 biological sciences officer, for special operations/joint rcmp consultant
2009 discovered new "prosteroid", or...rediscovered, if you (iron lungs only please) would like to know what it is to back up my claims then please PM me and we can talk at length if you like, I can make it so you are testosterone-ically self sufficient for the rest of your life so long as you have DHEA, I have designed syntheses that contain not one watched or chemical of interest, anyone can make steroids and ph's, it is trivial chemistry for the big ones. Try me, I like you, you challenged me on my cowboy true statements, I'd be happy to put a winning lottery ticket in your pocket if you think you can keep it to yourself.


what about the mooch? I would really like a winning lottery ticket as well....and i can keep my mouth shut!
 
Sounds to easy. Must be thousands of chem graduates with this knowledge to pass on to eager people but have never seen on anyone else on forums able or willing pass on this knowledge. Your posts so far have been good reading.
 
I must say that I am very disappointing on epidrol. I thought epistinol steroid was a good one but not for me. I am almost done with week 4 and no strenght gains. No pumps in the gym.. nothing.

maybe 40/40/40/40 or 50 would be the sweet spot for me but it´s to late now. I hope the reversitol in pct will give me little strenght gains :nervous:

H-drol and jungel warfare was MUCH MUCH better than epistane.

Has anybody done epidrol with bad result like me ??

I did my: 30/30/30/40
 
I must say that I am very disappointing on epidrol. I thought epistinol steroid was a good one but not for me. I am almost done with week 4 and no strenght gains. No pumps in the gym.. nothing.

maybe 40/40/40/40 or 50 would be the sweet spot for me but it´s to late now. I hope the reversitol in pct will give me little strenght gains :nervous:

H-drol and jungel warfare was MUCH MUCH better than epistane.

Has anybody done epidrol with bad result like me ??

I did my: 30/30/30/40

I had great results with epidrol in the past : good pumps, good strength gains, bodyfat loss and lean mass gains.
A friend of mine ran pulse cycle for 8 weeks (@40mg 3 days a week) and got great results too.

Maybe you're epi non-responder.
With your dosing 30/30/30/40, I think you should have felt it on day 15 (start of week 3).

Anyone else who has run epidrol, maybe you can share your experience....
 
i know this topic is very old, but i have demon's write up on synthesizing hormones. if anyones still interested, ill see if im allowed to post it up.
 
do 6 weeks raise it. theres a reason why i say dont do epi, its weak only for cut
 
I ran epidrol and hdrol for 4.5 wks and got ripped to shreds, down to 5.5% bf was amazing esp since I did no cardio.... Must say I was around 7-8% when started. Also weight stayed the same from start to finish. Had decent increases in strength but def more of a sick recomp.
 
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