Epicatechin

Danes said:
Just a question..why would you take epi without any kind of abs/bioav enhancers?
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Perhaps because trying to mega-dose with something like Epi-Plex would give you more piperine than you may want. Each cap has 300mg epi and 20mg piperine. If you want more epi at one time/dose, you don't need >20mg piperine IMO. It depends on what type of absorption enhancer you're using.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Perhaps because trying to mega-dose with something like Epi-Plex would give you more piperine than you may want. Each cap has 300mg epi and 20mg piperine. If you want more epi at one time/dose, you don't need >20mg piperine IMO. It depends on what type of absorption enhancer you're using.
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Fair enough but :
1. Lets say he take 2 caps extra of Epiplex. That is giving him 600mg extra epi and 40mg Piperine.above 100mg piperine daily will give issues. 40mg is more than well tolerated.

2. Piperine would help Epi absorption/bioavailability. Bigger chance to get more of Epi than throwing plain Epi :)
 
Danes said:
Fair enough but :
1. Lets say he take 2 caps extra of Epiplex. That is giving him 600mg extra epi and 40mg Piperine.above 100mg piperine daily will give issues. 40mg is more than well tolerated.

2. Piperine would help Epi absorption/bioavailability. Bigger chance to get more of Epi than throwing plain Epi :)
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That's true, 40-60mg piperine isn't a crazy dose, and it's not that expensive of an addition that it would drive up the price too much either.
 
Thats like getting a hooker with no t1ts
 
NoAddedHmones said:
My personal experience is -epi boosts my HIIT capacity more than anything else, within days. Only the TD application however, fwiw.
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If someone told me they were buying -(-)epi no matter what, I would suggest Transdermal. I'm just a general all around fan of TD. I haven't used SEDDS or Cyclo/Lipo-some delivery yet, but TD is tried and true.
 
Danes said:
Ton of people? Who is ton of people. Come.on.
Epicatechin was overhyped when it came out. Claimed to be best natural anabolic, give sick strength gains and ton of people believed that. Sad but true. But after some.months people realized it is not so good as claimed.

So my question for you is:
How can Follidrone v1 (which is a blend of Epi and Rice flour and you have no clue how much actually it is pure Epi in each cap) be better than Epiplex (300mg epicatechin in each cap with piperine) or Ep1c Unleashed which is "advanced" epicatechin bonded to Phosphatidylcholine for superior bioavailability and absorprion?

I personaly have got many PM where people said they felt nothing from follidrone v1 but after running epiplex or Ep1c U. their endurance really improved and some guys reported blood pressure lowering effect. It is definitely due to boosted N.O
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Bud, a ton of logs, reviews, etc...FD2 was voted supplement of the year for 2016 on AM. FD1 and EP1C reacted equally for me. FD2 is much more Epicatechin. Have you tried it? If not, you don't have an opinion.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
If someone told me they were buying -(-)epi no matter what, I would suggest Transdermal. I'm just a general all around fan of TD. I haven't used SEDDS or Cyclo/Lipo-some delivery yet, but TD is tried and true.
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Which transdermal products do you recommend? I've only tried 1 many years ago and it sucked. Did nothing but give me a rash.
 
210LBS said:
Which transdermal products do you recommend? I've only tried 1 many years ago and it sucked. Did nothing but give me a rash.
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My TD use has been limited to Dermacrine so far, just because all the other stuff I've run hasn't been available in TD (I like Sublingual too, was happy with some AMS stuff I used). I meant that more along the lines of It's an FDA approved method of delivering Testosterone and as long as the Daltons are low enough, the product gets in with a big FU to the Liver.
 
bigsmall said:
Bud, a ton of logs, reviews, etc...FD2 was voted supplement of the year for 2016 on AM. FD1 and EP1C reacted equally for me. FD2 is much more Epicatechin. Have you tried it? If not, you don't have an opinion.
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This thread is about Epicatechin, not a blend of multiple ingredients. Phytofused Epicatechin is without a doubt the best form available.
 
bigsmall said:
Bud, a ton of logs, reviews, etc...FD2 was voted supplement of the year for 2016 on AM. FD1 and EP1C reacted equally for me. FD2 is much more Epicatechin. Have you tried it? If not, you don't have an opinion.
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I am not talking about FD2 at all
 
This is the second time in 20 minutes I've read "So and so was voted best blah, blah of the year on blah, blah"... SO WHAT! Who voted? Placebo'd free product getting fan boys? :D Popularity contests do not equal science. They probably still sell the Shake Weight and Thigh Master somewhere too...
 
The_Old_Guy said:
This is the second time in 20 minutes I've read "So and so was voted best blah, blah of the year on blah, blah"... SO WHAT! Who voted? Placebo'd free product getting fan boys? :D Popularity contests do not equal science. They probably still sell the Shake Weight and Thigh Master somewhere too...
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I thought you liked FD2? It's science btw...
 
bigsmall said:
I thought you liked FD2? It's science btw...
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Hahahaha! Are you trolling? :D I find -(-)epi useless for myself (and for everyone in the Myostatin suppression area), and I haven't been impressed with Seaweed either - E.Cottonii didn't even bring a user back to baseline Testosterone levels. So, uh, no - not a fan of any brand claiming Myostatin suppression or natural "SERM".

I've laid out the science on Myostatin suppression, so in that area, no, it ain't science. It's more of a hijacking of science trying to equate eating some dark chocolate - to modifying a gene to react to varying doses of Tamoxifen to become Myostatin "Null". But that's how you sell pills to kids :D
 
TheIronAsylum said:
so i enjoyed all the answers but is there a product that is just epi- nothing else similar to how the optimum alpha product was?? need something to add onto the Ep1c unleashed to prolong the bottle
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I believe I saw bulk powder -epi now being sold at powder city. You could add some bulk -epi powder with your other -epi product w/ absorption booster.
 
There could be a thread about who has the best capsules and people will say **** .. I don't wanna say the name of product but we all know lol

#facts #100
 
Danes said:
Just a question..why would you take epi without any kind of abs/bioav enhancers?
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because im already taking Ep1c and ep1c TD so i was adding one of those alpha optimum to add more epi without any more absorb enhancers and the preworkout im taking has piperine in it
 
TheIronAsylum said:
because im already taking Ep1c and ep1c TD so i was adding one of those alpha optimum to add more epi without any more absorb enhancers and the preworkout im taking has piperine in it
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Why do you feel you need more epi?
 
TheIronAsylum said:
because im already taking Ep1c and ep1c TD so i was adding one of those alpha optimum to add more epi without any more absorb enhancers and the preworkout im taking has piperine in it
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1. Taking plain Epicatechin is not the best idea.
2. PWO containing Bioperine/piperine. If I remember right, the dose is 5-10mg in the PWO.
If you take lets say 2 extra cap of Epiplex you will get 600mg epicatechin and 40mg piperine which is not high dose of piperine at all!
3.if you want to make it even better. Just take higher dose of Ep1c TD !
 
TheIronAsylum said:
so i can half dose the ep1c pills to make them last longer 1 ep1c 1 optimum
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Not a good idea at all. I guess you are interested to get most of the Epicatechin?

1.take it on empty stomach
2.make sure there is bioavailability/absorption enhancers added!
 
TheIronAsylum said:
so i can half dose the ep1c pills to make them last longer 1 ep1c 1 optimum
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I totally get what you're going for, but unfortunately, PhytoFuse doesn't work quite like that. Without going into specifics, the absorption benefits of the PhytoFused -(-)epi in Ep1c Unleashed won't transfer to the bulk -(-)epi you're planning to add. If you try it, let us know what kind of difference(s) you notice between a full dose of Ep1c and half-Ep1c/half-bulk.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Hahahaha! Are you trolling? :D I find -(-)epi useless for myself (and for everyone in the Myostatin suppression area), and I haven't been impressed with Seaweed either - E.Cottonii didn't even bring a user back to baseline Testosterone levels. So, uh, no - not a fan of any brand claiming Myostatin suppression or natural "SERM".

I've laid out the science on Myostatin suppression, so in that area, no, it ain't science. It's more of a hijacking of science trying to equate eating some dark chocolate - to modifying a gene to react to varying doses of Tamoxifen to become Myostatin "Null". But that's how you sell pills to kids :D
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Not trolling. My mistake...
 
Idk but I loved epic unleashed transdermal
Everything that it calmed was true for me at least. The only problem had with it was I had a hard Time falling asleep
 
josun said:
Idk but I loved epic unleashed transdermal
Everything that it calmed was true for me at least. The only problem had with it was I had a hard Time falling asleep
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Increased strength and power output
Increased endurance / stamina
Enhanced vascularity
Fat oxidation
Muscle growth and differentiation
Overall health benefits
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I don't know how you determined the bolded part (DXA? Tape measure?), and that it was due to the supplement versus natural progression - but are you saying you believe that inhibited Myostatin was the reason? Despite everything that has been posted already in regards to what is required for Myostatin inhibited growth to take place - and the resulting poor muscle/ligament/tendon quality of such "gainzzzzz" - if the stars aligned and growth actually did occur?
 
The_Old_Guy said:
I don't know how you determined the bolded part (DXA? Tape measure?), and that it was due to the supplement versus natural progression - but are you saying you believe that inhibited Myostatin was the reason? Despite everything that has been posted already in regards to what is required for Myostatin inhibited growth to take place - and the resulting poor muscle/ligament/tendon quality of such "gainzzzzz"?
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Idk bruh Most likely natural progression i guess
 
If anyone is looking for raw epi powder I just ordered some from powder city. I got a bottle of epicat max cheap on black Friday and figured I'd give it two months and try the raw powder for month two. Starting at 250 per day and seeing how it goes. Might up it to 400 on the second four weeks. I'm stacking it with 100mgs of laxo. I liked the primeval laxo as well as OL strength unleashed. I'm keeping my diet the same so I'll post if I notice anything crazy good or bad.
 
One or two companies have very recently flooded this board with Trolls masquerading as customers. Really annoying :12: That sort of practice makes me leery of buying products from companies that engage in this sort of practice. I would rather know straight up if a poster is a company rep so I can factor this when evaluating their recommendations. doesn't mean their opinions aren't valid. just like full disclosure so you know where people stand
 
ucheoma said:
One or two companies have very recently flooded this board with Trolls masquerading as customers. Really annoying :12: That sort of practice makes me leery of buying products from companies that engage in this sort of practice. I would rather know straight up if a poster is a company rep so I can factor this when evaluating their recommendations. doesn't mean their opinions aren't valid. just like full disclosure so you know where people stand
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If a company has to resort to those kind of tactics they are a **** company and don't deserve anyones hard earned money.
 
I hope that wasn't directed toward me. Lol I'm just on here seeing what's out there. Unfortunately no company has ever paid me to be their puppet. I just mentioned those brand names because they were the ones I tried.
 
ktrop251 said:
I hope that wasn't directed toward me. Lol I'm just on here seeing what's out there. Unfortunately no company has ever paid me to be their puppet. I just mentioned those brand names because they were the ones I tried.
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It wouldn't have been at you :)
 
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