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EPI-TREN OTC PCT OPTIONS

loftus44

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Just started 4 week run of
epistane; 30mg 30mg 40mg 40mg
trenv; 70mg 70mg 70mg 70mg taking weekends off of tren.
liv 52
cycle assist
vitrix
My pct will either include reversitol or formex and post cycle support, or arimadex(get) and pcs, along with lean xtreme week 3. i do have liquid clomid on hand. Any thoughts on which would suit better or somthing else is appreciated, thanks.
 
my guess is by week 4 you are going to be changing your mind and reaching for the clomid that you have standing by. I ran a similar run (although higher doses of tren) recently and it shut me down hard. I had planned an OTC PCT including many of the combos you listed, but once I got about halfway through the run, it was obvious to me that I needed some stronger "assistance" from my SERM. Good luck on this cycle, It is a great one!
 
yeah i have it for that reason. last time i used clomid was for a testanate 50 cycle,and i did not react well with it so i was hoping by using the lower dosage and skipping the weekends that i might not shut down to bad. I am also curious if the vitrix will help any. ive used epi a couple years ago and that did not shut me down to bad at all. thanks bro.
 
would i still use the clomid if i dropped the tren after 7 days and just ran the epi at 50mg for the last 10 days of cycle? going on day 8. what difference in gains do you think dropping the tren would make? Im not trying to bulk that much,keeping a clean moderate diet and just trying to recomp/slight bulk.
 
loftus44 said:
would i still use the clomid if i dropped the tren after 7 days and just ran the epi at 50mg for the last 10 days of cycle? going on day 8. what difference in gains do you think dropping the tren would make? Im not trying to bulk that much,keeping a clean moderate diet and just trying to recomp/slight bulk.
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Epi is enough to shut you down I would still run the Clomid.
 
Reality is, run bloodwork, pm me and I can break down which SERMs or OTC products to go with along with explanation how to run them properly, otc is more expensive but less sides and a little longer to recover, SERM's are not to fun, tore. is the easiest on the body but I would not run it with a tren-like compound for a couple of reasons.
 
would clomid be better than torem for this spefic cycle.

Torem seems like the best serm overall.

If clomid would be better, could you explain why?

(prolactin?)

The emotional sides of clomid dont sound to great to me, and supposedly torem has less toxity.

And torem is the only serm, that studies are being conducted on males. NOT FOR PCT USE THOUGH.

from wikipedia,
"GTx Inc. is currently conducting two different phase 3 clinical trials; First, a pivotal Phase clinical trial for the treatment of serious side effects of androgen deprivation therapy (especially vertebral/spine fractures and hot flashes, lipid profile, and gynecomastia) for advanced prostate cancer, and second, a pivotal Phase III clinical trial for the prevention of prostate cancer in high risk men with high grade prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia, or PIN. Results of these trials are expected by first quarter of 2008[2]"

anyone knows the results of these studies, said first quarter of 2008!

Thanks.
 
I was kind of wondering if Torem would be better as well. I have never ran a serm PCT and things have turned out pretty well for the 3 cycles I have done. But Torem seems like a better option something I would likely use, especially if it doesn't have a lot of negative stuff like the other 2 PCT weapons of choice.
 
Mars1107 said:
would clomid be better than torem for this spefic cycle.

Torem seems like the best serm overall.

If clomid would be better, could you explain why?

(prolactin?)

The emotional sides of clomid dont sound to great to me, and supposedly torem has less toxity.

And torem is the only serm, that studies are being conducted on males. NOT FOR PCT USE THOUGH.

from wikipedia,
"GTx Inc. is currently conducting two different phase 3 clinical trials; First, a pivotal Phase clinical trial for the treatment of serious side effects of androgen deprivation therapy (especially vertebral/spine fractures and hot flashes, lipid profile, and gynecomastia) for advanced prostate cancer, and second, a pivotal Phase III clinical trial for the prevention of prostate cancer in high risk men with high grade prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia, or PIN. Results of these trials are expected by first quarter of 2008[2]"

anyone knows the results of these studies, said first quarter of 2008!

Thanks.
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If you use a SERM, clomid is only necessary. If I had the access to it and was willing to use it I'd do this:

Low dose Clomid (first two weeks)
Advanced PCT (6 weeks)
PP's TRS (4 weeks)
Maybe Icariin and divanil

After 4 weeks into the PCT, I'd also get some Diesel Test to make things interesting.

With that said..I'll say that PP's TRS is almost stout enough by itself to get things back to normal. The Clomid and aPCT will just make everything happen in a hurry..like 2-3 days hurry. lol.

Then again I never had issues with estrogen/prolactin control with 19-Nor thanks to proper AI tapering on cycle. I also never have had Cortisol issues, thanks to TRS.
 
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