Epi cycle, no serm

conway7592

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Hey guys,

Just some basic info first. I'm 22 and have been training since i was 16/17. I'm 5"11 and around 180 pounds. This is my first PH cycle.

Now time for you to bite my head off i guess. I'm on my second week of an Epistane cycle: 20/30/30/*
* = 20/20/10/10

Basically as you can see from the title, i don't have a serm and it is impossible for me to get one (yes i know you may argue this, but im my case it is definitely true). I'm on cycle support and i have Lean Xtreme, Liver Juice and Formex for my pct.
I would just like your advice on my situation. It's a 4 week cycle with the last week only lasting 4 days of 20/20/10/10 as you can see from above.

Basically, am i screwed without the serm? Should i still take the Formex without the serm? I know i shouldn't have started my cycle without a serm, but at the time i thought i was getting it in a week, and it didn't work out. I know you want to flame me, but it would be cool if it was kept to a minumum! :)

Thanks
 
Well Ill take your word for it, and assume you cant get a serm, even though there are many sources, such as internet, have a friend order for you.... ect.

But having said that, not be a diick, but why the **** would you start a cycle when you know you cant take a SERM!?!? like whats wrong with you lol. Thats comparable to going on an airplane when you know it doesnt have landing gear... why go on it when you know your gonna crash at the end????

you are not completely ****ed, ive heard of people running epi without serms, but chances are you could face some shutdown, rebound gyno, and you will deff loose many of your gains. Assuming you really cant get a serm your next best bet it to load up on test boosters and an AI. Get different test boosters that contain different active ingredients. basically do research!!!! bc it deff seems like you didnt do much on your cycle!


as for tapering down your epi... why? lol. your better off cutting it off those last two days and just doing 30 for 2 days. Seriously, I have never heard of any benefits from tapering down a dose. Its just going to jumpstart your shutdown, as those are 2 days of very little epistane, and no pct products.
 
Like i said, i was given a definite confirmation from a friend that he could get me a serm, but then he ended up not getting it. Nevertheless, thank you for your reply
 
I know you said you cant get a serm but have you ever heard of research chems? They're cheap and can be overnighted...just doesnt make sense, small price to pay for keeping your gains and manhood.

Def dont taper epi, do what above said
 
yes i have heard of research chems, and like i said above, it is impossible for me to get any. The only other option i had apart from my friend who failed was the guy in my supplement shop, who argued that a serm isn't needed.

And as for the tapering, i wasn't so sure of it myself, i read that on another thread here and it sounded like a better idea that cutting off straight away, allowing the body to return to normal. But if many people seem to disagree, i guess they're right
 
Before the ban you could get a pretty decent OTC for havoc but there isnt much now. Ive heard some good things about recycle from purus.

Im assuming you have no access to a credit card thats why a serm is out of the question so like previously stated, your best bet is to go to your local store and stock up on some test boosters/AI's...best of luck man
 
Well if you must know why i can't get the serm, it's because my girlfriend would be at home for the delivery! haha She wouldn't be happy with this.

Thanks for the advice on the testboosters and all the rest though, much appreciated
 
i feel like god just answered my call, just got a text from a guy who sells supplements. i texted him weeks ago asking for it but he never replied after i said i'd buy nolvadex off him. He'll have Nolva in this week and he can sell it to me! :)
Thanks for all your replies guys! Im a pretty happy guy right now!
 
good deal. I think you learned a very important lesson, have your whole cycle inline before staring (pct included) GL
 
conway7592 said:
Well if you must know why i can't get the serm, it's because my girlfriend would be at home for the delivery! haha She wouldn't be happy with this.

Thanks for the advice on the testboosters and all the rest though, much appreciated
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she wont be happy when u cant get it up... Get a ****ing SERM right away and as stated above pay the extra $25 to have it overnighted, it doesnt come in a package with SERM wriiten all over it, im assuming she doesnt open ur mail. Or as stated above mail it to a buddy
 
edwitt said:
she wont be happy when u cant get it up... Get a ****ing SERM right away and as stated above pay the extra $25 to have it overnighted, it doesnt come in a package with SERM wriiten all over it, im assuming she doesnt open ur mail. Or as stated above mail it to a buddy
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Useless post!

Sounds to me like he already fixed his problems.
 
bmcjames said:
My last epi cycle which was 30/40/40/40 I used AI cycle support and IBE formex for my pct and it worked great....

-James
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Epi shut me down after less than 2 weeks...i had to cut my cycle short for other reasons and thought I could get get by without a serm.....thought I was never gonna recover but got my hands on clomid and it brought me back.....I felt more shutdown after a short time on Epi than after a 12 test cycle.....Everybody is different, ya know.
 
Yeah everyone talks about epi shut down and what not but I was the horniest mofo ever when on cycle lol. Hell through the entire pct I was too...
 
I have a quick question, im taking epistane right now on week 2 taking 30mg a day and the only other thing im taking is a liver support...should I be taking anything else with this?? Please help out
 
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