joshsechrist
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I’m going to run a 5-8 week EPI & 11-oxo stack/bridge and would like some input.
Background: I’m 35 years old, 5’-11” and weigh 170-172 lbs in the morning and currently sitting at 14% BF. I have had a solid workout schedule over the past 5 years that consists of 3-5 days a week lifting with at least 2 days a week of 30+ minutes of cardio. Besides having to take 2 months off from lifting (and doing pt) 2 separate times for shoulder scopes, my workouts have been consistent year round with a routine change every other month. # of reps and set/super sets have also varied with the season and goals. Typical workouts are 1.5 hours and are either push/pulls (chest/back) or similar muscles (chest/tri) with warmup (heart rate >140) and dynamic stretches before workout and static stretches post workout.
Previous PH Experiences:
1[SUP]st [/SUP] - EPI 20/30/30/30 (conservative but saw minor gains 2 years ago with no sides)
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] - Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75 (good gains, esp weeks 4 & 5 but libido was shot by the end, until the middle of pct)
3[SUP]rd[/SUP] – Pmag 50/75/75/75/100 (good gains and kicked in early, lost some during pct), this was my last cycle a year ago
Daily Off Cycle Sups: Animal Pak (workout days) / MultiVitamin (rest/cardio), CLA, Fish Oil, Bulgarian Tribulus (as needed), Kre-Alkalyn (creatine), Clean Whey and Casein protein, and C4 pre-workout.
Daily Off Cycle Diet: 2500-3000 cal with low amounts of saturated fats and atleast 250g of protein. I eat egg whites, protein and oatmeal every morning with the first 20 minutes of getting up with my am supplement pills. I eat 5-7 meals daily. I also have 1 cheat day a week usually on a non workout/cardio day
Breakfast - Complex carbs and lean protein (usually shake)
AM2 - Usually fruit (or light meat/carb, i.e. ham and wheat bread sandwich)
Post workout (right after) – Whey protein shake
Lunch (1 hour after workout) – Largest meal of simple carbs, veggies and lean proteins
Afternoon – Nuts peanut butter or protein bar (Quest brand)
Dinner – Grilled/baked protein (steak/chicken or fish), green veggies and cottage cheese
Bedtime (if needed) – Casein protein or reheated dinner (meat only)
Goals of Cycle: Recomp/Strength gain - (after pct) Gain 5-8 lbs, loose 2-3% BF
On cycle diet will follow same eating pattern but I plan on varying the volume (cal) at different points in the cycle to achieve both strength gains and a cut.
Throughout Cycle, 2 weeks before and during pct
AI Sports Nutrition Life Support ,
Fish Oils (twice as much as usual),
CLA,
Animal Pak (everyday)
Taurine & B5 (on hand if needed)
PCT (Day after last dosage)
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Lean Xtreme
DAA 3g/day
Creatine
Pre-workout
Proposed Cycle and calorie plan (open to suggestions on either):
Option 1 (first thought)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0 (I have 120 – 10mg caps)
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/450/450/450/600/600 (I have 300 - 75mg caps)
Calories 2500/3000/3500/3500/3000/2500/2000
Option 2
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/300/300/300/750/750
Calories 2500/2500/2000/2000/2000/2500/2500
Option 3 (strictly bridge into pct)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0/0
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 0/0/0/0/900/900/900
Calories 2500/3000/3000/3000/3000/2500/2500/2500
Option 4 (kickstart method)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 0/0/0/30/30/30/40/40
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/300/300/450/450/450/450
Calories 2500/2000/2000/2500/2500/3500/3500/2500
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Background: I’m 35 years old, 5’-11” and weigh 170-172 lbs in the morning and currently sitting at 14% BF. I have had a solid workout schedule over the past 5 years that consists of 3-5 days a week lifting with at least 2 days a week of 30+ minutes of cardio. Besides having to take 2 months off from lifting (and doing pt) 2 separate times for shoulder scopes, my workouts have been consistent year round with a routine change every other month. # of reps and set/super sets have also varied with the season and goals. Typical workouts are 1.5 hours and are either push/pulls (chest/back) or similar muscles (chest/tri) with warmup (heart rate >140) and dynamic stretches before workout and static stretches post workout.
Previous PH Experiences:
1[SUP]st [/SUP] - EPI 20/30/30/30 (conservative but saw minor gains 2 years ago with no sides)
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] - Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75 (good gains, esp weeks 4 & 5 but libido was shot by the end, until the middle of pct)
3[SUP]rd[/SUP] – Pmag 50/75/75/75/100 (good gains and kicked in early, lost some during pct), this was my last cycle a year ago
Daily Off Cycle Sups: Animal Pak (workout days) / MultiVitamin (rest/cardio), CLA, Fish Oil, Bulgarian Tribulus (as needed), Kre-Alkalyn (creatine), Clean Whey and Casein protein, and C4 pre-workout.
Daily Off Cycle Diet: 2500-3000 cal with low amounts of saturated fats and atleast 250g of protein. I eat egg whites, protein and oatmeal every morning with the first 20 minutes of getting up with my am supplement pills. I eat 5-7 meals daily. I also have 1 cheat day a week usually on a non workout/cardio day
Breakfast - Complex carbs and lean protein (usually shake)
AM2 - Usually fruit (or light meat/carb, i.e. ham and wheat bread sandwich)
Post workout (right after) – Whey protein shake
Lunch (1 hour after workout) – Largest meal of simple carbs, veggies and lean proteins
Afternoon – Nuts peanut butter or protein bar (Quest brand)
Dinner – Grilled/baked protein (steak/chicken or fish), green veggies and cottage cheese
Bedtime (if needed) – Casein protein or reheated dinner (meat only)
Goals of Cycle: Recomp/Strength gain - (after pct) Gain 5-8 lbs, loose 2-3% BF
On cycle diet will follow same eating pattern but I plan on varying the volume (cal) at different points in the cycle to achieve both strength gains and a cut.
Throughout Cycle, 2 weeks before and during pct
AI Sports Nutrition Life Support ,
Fish Oils (twice as much as usual),
CLA,
Animal Pak (everyday)
Taurine & B5 (on hand if needed)
PCT (Day after last dosage)
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Lean Xtreme
DAA 3g/day
Creatine
Pre-workout
Proposed Cycle and calorie plan (open to suggestions on either):
Option 1 (first thought)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0 (I have 120 – 10mg caps)
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/450/450/450/600/600 (I have 300 - 75mg caps)
Calories 2500/3000/3500/3500/3000/2500/2000
Option 2
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/300/300/300/750/750
Calories 2500/2500/2000/2000/2000/2500/2500
Option 3 (strictly bridge into pct)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 30/30/30/40/40/0/0/0
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 0/0/0/0/900/900/900
Calories 2500/3000/3000/3000/3000/2500/2500/2500
Option 4 (kickstart method)
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a 0/0/0/30/30/30/40/40
LGI 11-X (11 oxo) 300/300/300/300/450/450/450/450
Calories 2500/2000/2000/2500/2500/3500/3500/2500
Any suggestions are appreciated.
but run the oxo as high as cash allows. I'd do 900