EP1LOGUE Q&A

[xtyler]

can you give me an answer to my question about the cardar1ne? is it safe to use with the ep1logue? also which dose would you recommend? i wouldnt use it more than 12 weeks straight, dose would may be between 10-20mg, so 2 caps

and b2t: do you say that ep1logue is clearly NOT strong enough to play around with your hormones? what were the results of your or the OL testers blood test after testing the UroB?

Not sure whether you can still find legit cardarine on the market so any answer would be gambling...what's actually in the bottle (and how much) would make all the difference in the world.
Ep1logue IS strong enough to make a difference in terms of body composition, this doesn't mean that anything able to produce an effect on lean mass necessarily alters your hormones to any appreciable degree.
Making public the exact blood test results is the OL boss prerogative.

 

[xtyler]

Seriously wtf???
Are you honestly saying that if 2 people had epileptic seizures from ANY OL product then 2 days later 30 more people would fraudulently claim they also had epileptic seizures after forking out money for a product they hoped would deliver gains?
That logic is is nonsense dude!

Read again and more carefully before posting deliberately aggravated.
Nobody said fraudulently, placebo and nocebo are a whole different deal. It was also an obvious hyperbole. Nonsense.
Wtf.

 

[iamyourfather]

EP1LOGUE Q&A

Not sure whether you can still find legit cardarine on the market so any answer would be gambling...what's actually in the bottle (and how much) would make all the difference in the world.
Ep1logue IS strong enough to make a difference in terms of body composition, this doesn't mean that anything able to produce an effect on lean mass necessarily alters your hormones to any appreciable degree.
Making public the exact blood test results is the OL boss prerogative.

thanks for the answer; many shops have the Olympus UK Cardar1ne in stock, im a little confused now. Does this mean the OL GW isnt good or what do you mean? im in europe if that makes a difference.

okay i understand that they dont get published but you can still tell us the results right? so was there a massiv drop in estrogen or not? i think thats a very simple question, isnt it?

 

[00A]

I can ASSURE you that if 1-2 people started claiming Ep1logue gave them epileptic seizures and priapism episodes lasting 12hrs, within 2 days 30 more people would report the same.

So you just looking for exernal side effects.. my point before was nothing do external, what about internal? Do you know how it effects your sperm, you liver?? Yeh ppl going report that now.... Im going to be accused of negativeness..., its clear some ppl have experianced some side effects maybe it be a good idea to see why this has happened?

 

[dbenj7]

I can ASSURE you that if 1-2 people started claiming Ep1logue gave them epileptic seizures and priapism episodes lasting 12hrs, within 2 days 30 more people would report the same.

I bought it as I thought it was non-hormonal, I have seen more than 1-2 people mention this so it is a legit concern

 

[xtyler]

I bought it as I thought it was non-hormonal, I have seen more than 1-2 people mention this so it is a legit concern

I guess it depends upon your definition of "non hormonal".
Creatine increases DHT, betaine increases IGF-1, Vitamin C dcreases cortisol, grapeseed has antiaromatase properties, so does zinc. To name a few. Are they "hormonal"?

 

[dbenj7]

Thanks for your smartass response. That is completely irrelevant to what I was asking. If you can’t have a bit of a respect for a concerned customer then please do not bother responding. I was simply stating a concern. I purchased this product and under the write up was no mention regarding possible estrogen interactions. I am personally sensitive to changes in E2 and do not use anything with significant anti-aromatose properties in it as it makes me feel like crap. I have seen other people stating the poor attitude of some OL reps in response to questions, I thought this was supposed to be a q&a thread. You can take your condescending crap elsewhere

 

[xtyler]

Thanks for your smartass response. That is completely irrelevant to what I was asking. If you can’t have a bit of a respect for a concerned customer then please do not bother responding. I was simply stating a concern. I purchased this product and under the write up was no mention regarding possible estrogen interactions. I am personally sensitive to changes in E2 and do not use anything with significant anti-aromatose properties in it as it makes me feel like crap. I have seen other people stating the poor attitude of some OL reps in response to questions, I thought this was supposed to be a q&a thread. You can take your condescending crap elsewhere

My reply was not condescending nor sarcastic by any means, but thanks for the uncalled for rude and disrespectful post.
Under the write-up there was no mention because there shouldn't be any, or we would have marketed as an anabolic A.I. , my dear friend full of legit concerns.
Interesting pattern here, nice crew got put together.

 

[dbenj7]

Yes it was, and you’ve just done it again. Perhaps you could do some R&D in customer service before throwing out ridiculous accusations. It is a q&a thread. If you can’t answer legitimate questions with some respect then maybe someone else should. We are not all scientists, hence why I was asking questions regarding this feedback on your product. If this is the way Olympus labs thinks it is acceptable to treat your customers then you have just lost one. Not that you will care.

 

[00A]

Yes it was, and you’ve just done it again. Perhaps you could do some R&D in customer service before throwing out ridiculous accusations. It is a q&a thread. If you can’t answer legitimate questions with some respect then maybe someone else should. We are not all scientists, hence why I was asking questions regarding this feedback on your product. If this is the way Olympus labs thinks it is acceptable to treat your customers then you have just lost one. Not that you will care.

Totally agree, Amen to that..

So far still waiting for a general satisfactory answer, and seems been ignored on previous questions.

What crew? Sounds like you a bunch of kids in playground.. thought we all adults in here!!

 

[m1k3_d0z4]

More Ep1logue for me!!!

 

[slickwillie]

I’m a huge fan of OL. But either everyone is jumping on the bandwagon “this product has some stellar reviews, quick must be giving me sides” or the Uro is causing more hormonal issues than we once expecting

On my second bottle now with no sides but it’s amazing how all these reports make you weary subconsciously. If it actually decreased estrogen in any way my hair would be falling out (guaranteed), sore joints, low libido etc but I am getting NONE of that, it’s actually quite the opposite. Even have a spike in mood

Not bashing OL, but I hope to **** that nothing is suspect in this lol

Historically when I’ve taken a supplement which causes my estrogen to plummet, I have experienced the exact same side effects as you. Based on blood work, I know that my estrogen has dropped after 30 days on Ep1logue. But I’m about to wrap up 7 weeks on the product, and so far so good. I am planning on an additional 4 weeks before I take a break. If any sides pop up then I will be done sooner.

 

[NoAddedHmones]

EP1LOGUE Q&A

Yes it was, and you’ve just done it again. Perhaps you could do some R&D in customer service before throwing out ridiculous accusations. It is a q&a thread. If you can’t answer legitimate questions with some respect then maybe someone else should. We are not all scientists, hence why I was asking questions regarding this feedback on your product. If this is the way Olympus labs thinks it is acceptable to treat your customers then you have just lost one. Not that you will care.

I’ll try and answer your question and the other peoples concerns as best I can. We have noted that there is indeed an in-vitro study on Urolithin B showing it possessing aromatase inhibiting properties. Now as xtyler eluded to there are a huge list of different compounds which also possess this characteristic, however the concentration of the compound in these in-vitro tests is very large, so it is difficult to extrapolate these findings into an in-vivo model (this is clear with countless compounds, oral chyrsin for example).

Now whether any one in here really believes it or not, we actually do vigoriously test our formulas before releasing them to market (i personally spent months test a huge combination of compounds for j.reg and stim-x before landing on where they are now).

In relation to urolithin B a number of us followed a step up dosage protocol to identify an effective dosage based on the study listed in the write up, we did this in isolation of each other and then shared findings together. As Uro B mechanism of action involves the AR we wanted to ensure testosterone suppression doesn’t occur which blood work on our internal testers confirmed. Nobody at any dosage tested experienced symptoms of low E.

I hope this gives you some peace of mind, we have released soo many fantastic products over the past few years following this kind of testing methodology and you can rest assured we wont release anything we aren’t comfortable with your or any member of the public can use (following label instructions and warnings)

 

[00A]

I’ll try and answer your question and the other peoples concerns as best I can. We have noted that there is indeed an in-vitro study on Urolithin B showing it possessing aromatase inhibiting properties. Now as xtyler eluded to there are a huge list of different compounds which also possess this characteristic, however the concentration of the compound in these in-vitro tests is very large, so it is difficult to extrapolate these findings into an in-vivo model (this is clear with countless compounds, oral chyrsin for example).

Now whether any one in here really believes it or not, we actually do vigoriously test our formulas before releasing them to market (i personally spent months test a huge combination of compounds for j.reg and stim-x before landing on where they are now).

In relation to urolithin B a number of us followed a step up dosage protocol to identify an effective dosage based on the study listed in the write up, we did this in isolation of each other and then shared findings together. As Uro B mechanism of action involves the AR we wanted to ensure testosterone suppression doesn’t occur which blood work on our internal testers confirmed. Nobody at any dosage tested experienced symptoms of low E.

I hope this gives you some peace of mind, we have released soo many fantastic products over the past few years following this kind of testing methodology and you can rest assured we wont release anything we aren’t comfortable with your or any member of the public can use (following label instructions and warnings)

Thank you for finally providing a professional response. It adds some confidence back that you mentioned blood work tests.. I do not think Uro B will lower test levels, just trying understand why a few people in forums had negative effects, is there some explanation to these?

 

[Danes]

I see Massacr3 will contain 300mg Vaso-6 and 150mg Urolithin B.

Stacking this product with Ep1logue would give you 600mg Vaso-6 and 300mg Urolithin B (like dosing 4 caps of Ep1logue but without double dose of epicatechin).

 

[m1k3_d0z4]

I see Massacr3 will contain 300mg Vaso-6 and 150mg Urolithin B.

Stacking this product with Ep1logue would give you 600mg Vaso-6 and 300mg Urolithin B (like dosing 4 caps of Ep1logue but without double dose of epicatechin).

I saw that too! Pumps are going to be brutal.....


Can't wait to try it!

 

[iamyourfather]

I see Massacr3 will contain 300mg Vaso-6 and 150mg Urolithin B.

Stacking this product with Ep1logue would give you 600mg Vaso-6 and 300mg Urolithin B (like dosing 4 caps of Ep1logue but without double dose of epicatechin).

i just came here to write the same lol

so OL, is it made to be stacked??
if so, i absolutely need more money to let the massacr3 begin. if you take it with a full dose of re1gn, you will have 900mg of vaso6 haha

 

[Woody]

i just came here to write the same lol

so OL, is it made to be stacked??
if so, i absolutely need more money to let the massacr3 begin. if you take it with a full dose of re1gn, you will have 900mg of vaso6 haha

Bank of Woody is open for business. Offering a low low intro rate of 1% daily interest!!!!

 

[iamyourfather]

Bank of Woody is open for business. Offering a low low intro rate of 1% daily interest!!!!

haha kinda expensive tbh but ma worth the gainzzz

 

[jh1]

i just came here to write the same lol

so OL, is it made to be stacked??
if so, i absolutely need more money to let the massacr3 begin. if you take it with a full dose of re1gn, you will have 900mg of vaso6 haha

Curious about stacking these as well

 

[jh1]

Curious about stacking these as well...


Sorry. Double post

 

[slickwillie]

I’ll try and answer your question and the other peoples concerns as best I can. We have noted that there is indeed an in-vitro study on Urolithin B showing it possessing aromatase inhibiting properties. Now as xtyler eluded to there are a huge list of different compounds which also possess this characteristic, however the concentration of the compound in these in-vitro tests is very large, so it is difficult to extrapolate these findings into an in-vivo model (this is clear with countless compounds, oral chyrsin for example).

Now whether any one in here really believes it or not, we actually do vigoriously test our formulas before releasing them to market (i personally spent months test a huge combination of compounds for j.reg and stim-x before landing on where they are now).

In relation to urolithin B a number of us followed a step up dosage protocol to identify an effective dosage based on the study listed in the write up, we did this in isolation of each other and then shared findings together. As Uro B mechanism of action involves the AR we wanted to ensure testosterone suppression doesn’t occur which blood work on our internal testers confirmed. Nobody at any dosage tested experienced symptoms of low E.

I hope this gives you some peace of mind, we have released soo many fantastic products over the past few years following this kind of testing methodology and you can rest assured we wont release anything we aren’t comfortable with your or any member of the public can use (following label instructions and warnings)

Thanks for your post. So based on your testing a daily dose of 300 mg of Uro B (i.e., Ep1logue plus Massacr3) should not trigger symptoms of low estrogen?

 

[NoAddedHmones]

Thanks for your post. So based on your testing a daily dose of 300 mg of Uro B (i.e., Ep1logue plus Massacr3) should not trigger symptoms of low estrogen?

I would recommend a half daily serving of each if somewhere were to stack the two. In reality the dosages for lax and -epi at half serving is still well and above anything else in the market.

 

[Martyfnemec]

I’ll try and answer your question and the other peoples concerns as best I can. We have noted that there is indeed an in-vitro study on Urolithin B showing it possessing aromatase inhibiting properties. Now as xtyler eluded to there are a huge list of different compounds which also possess this characteristic, however the concentration of the compound in these in-vitro tests is very large, so it is difficult to extrapolate these findings into an in-vivo model (this is clear with countless compounds, oral chyrsin for example).

Now whether any one in here really believes it or not, we actually do vigoriously test our formulas before releasing them to market (i personally spent months test a huge combination of compounds for j.reg and stim-x before landing on where they are now).

In relation to urolithin B a number of us followed a step up dosage protocol to identify an effective dosage based on the study listed in the write up, we did this in isolation of each other and then shared findings together. As Uro B mechanism of action involves the AR we wanted to ensure testosterone suppression doesn’t occur which blood work on our internal testers confirmed. Nobody at any dosage tested experienced symptoms of low E.

I hope this gives you some peace of mind, we have released soo many fantastic products over the past few years following this kind of testing methodology and you can rest assured we wont release anything we aren’t comfortable with your or any member of the public can use (following label instructions and warnings)

This is reassuring. Thanks for the in-depth response.

 

[Danes]

i just came here to write the same lol

so OL, is it made to be stacked??
if so, i absolutely need more money to let the massacr3 begin. if you take it with a full dose of re1gn, you will have 900mg of vaso6 haha

And I am getting "no no" for my 3 caps of Ep1logue

 

[iamyourfather]

EP1LOGUE Q&A

I would recommend a half daily serving of each if somewhere were to stack the two. In reality the dosages for lax and -epi at half serving is still well and above anything else in the market.

do we already know if the price will be around the one of ep1logue? important to calculate my budget ;-)

half a dose of each would also mean that 1 bottle ep1 + 1 bottle laxo would last 2 months, even used in combination. nice

or are the results better if used one after another to get the full doses of epi and laxo in each cycle?

 

[Myrmidon]

do we already know if the price will be around the one of ep1logue? important to calculate my budget ;-)

half a dose of each would also mean that 1 bottle ep1 + 1 bottle laxo would last 2 months, even used in combination. nice

or are the results better if used one after another to get the full doses of epi and laxo in each cycle?

Curious about this as well!

 

[iamyourfather]

And I am getting "no no" for my 3 caps of Ep1logue

haha but you can see - NoAddedHormones still recommends to stay with 150mg UroB

 

[Danes]

haha but you can see - NoAddedHormones still recommends to stay with 150mg UroB

It was joke from my side. I am still taking 3 caps anyway

 

[iamyourfather]

It was joke from my side. I am still taking 3 caps anyway

haha but i think i can remember that you also weigh quite a bit, probably more than the average user #nooffence i think its a difference between 80kg and 110kg for example.

have you already finished one bottle?

 

[Danes]

haha but i think i can remember that you also weigh quite a bit, probably more than the average user #nooffence i think its a difference between 80kg and 110kg for example.

have you already finished one bottle?

Haha no problem.
I have been 12 days on Ep1logue

 

[thebigt]

Haha no problem.
I have been 12 days on Ep1logue

watcha think so far?

 

[dbenj7]

I’ll try and answer your question and the other peoples concerns as best I can. We have noted that there is indeed an in-vitro study on Urolithin B showing it possessing aromatase inhibiting properties. Now as xtyler eluded to there are a huge list of different compounds which also possess this characteristic, however the concentration of the compound in these in-vitro tests is very large, so it is difficult to extrapolate these findings into an in-vivo model (this is clear with countless compounds, oral chyrsin for example).

Now whether any one in here really believes it or not, we actually do vigoriously test our formulas before releasing them to market (i personally spent months test a huge combination of compounds for j.reg and stim-x before landing on where they are now).

In relation to urolithin B a number of us followed a step up dosage protocol to identify an effective dosage based on the study listed in the write up, we did this in isolation of each other and then shared findings together. As Uro B mechanism of action involves the AR we wanted to ensure testosterone suppression doesn’t occur which blood work on our internal testers confirmed. Nobody at any dosage tested experienced symptoms of low E.

I hope this gives you some peace of mind, we have released soo many fantastic products over the past few years following this kind of testing methodology and you can rest assured we wont release anything we aren’t comfortable with your or any member of the public can use (following label instructions and warnings)

Thanks for the professional reply, that was all I was asking. I have used many runs of EP1C and never had any issues, but I found some of this feedback re estrogen with Epi a bit concerning. Not sure why this couldn't have been answered like this in the first instance, rather than cop an attitude. I thought OL was a stand up company so pretty surprised to see how customers are spoken to by this guy for simply asking a question in a q&a thread. Anyways, that's all I wanted to know, my epi is on the way and will be arriving next week. Thanks

 

[Danes]

watcha think so far?

Pumps and better endurance at the moment.

 

[thebigt]

Pumps and better endurance at the moment.

not bad for just 12 days.

 

[Danes]

not bad for just 12 days.

I am expecting more from week 4+

 

[Olympus Labs]

Thanks for the professional reply, that was all I was asking. I have used many runs of EP1C and never had any issues, but I found some of this feedback re estrogen with Epi a bit concerning. Not sure why this couldn't have been answered like this in the first instance, rather than cop an attitude. I thought OL was a stand up company so pretty surprised to see how customers are spoken to by this guy for simply asking a question in a q&a thread. Anyways, that's all I wanted to know, my epi is on the way and will be arriving next week. Thanks

Epilogue contains a far higher dose of epicatechin than EP1C Unleashed did. The joint discomfort was reported on other epicatechin products before, and ours has the highest mg amount with absorption enhancement. I don't think it has to do with low estrogen side effects at all but more or less the huge doses of epicatechin and vaso-6 in the product. People are anecdotally speaking so we are anecdotally answering. We are growing faster than recovering hence the soreness and discomfort.

As far as bloodwork goes the product of course was tested internally but like nda's we can not just simply disclose lab results but can take the data from them for our product decision making. An internal tester actually tested higher on Total T than his baseline so the T level increases were sustained for him. He experienced no rebound or any sort of ill side effects and has actually committed to doing another full fledged panel for us a long with several other internal members.

If you guys have noticed everyone who discontinued the product because of joint discomfort or concern said that they felt normal after 3-5 days meaning they also did not experience any sort of estrogen rebounds or suppression. One can conclude that this product does not suppress or cause rebound only slight joint discomfort from growing too fast.

 

[VO2Maxima]

Those of you who experienced joint discomfort may find Massacr3 more to your liking. You'll still get the strength and anabolic benefits of UroB, but if it's (-)-epicatechin causing your joint pain, that's not in Massacr3. Instead, you get laxogenin, which many people have anecdotally reported helped with joint discomfort. You could even try doing a 50% dose of each if you really like (-)-epi...that would still give you a good (but not quite as high) dose of (-)-epi, plus give you a good dose of laxogenin to hopefully help with joint discomfort.

 

[dbenj7]

Epilogue contains a far higher dose of epicatechin than EP1C Unleashed did. The joint discomfort was reported on other epicatechin products before, and ours has the highest mg amount with absorption enhancement. I don't think it has to do with low estrogen side effects at all but more or less the huge doses of epicatechin and vaso-6 in the product. People are anecdotally speaking so we are anecdotally answering. We are growing faster than recovering hence the soreness and discomfort.

As far as bloodwork goes the product of course was tested internally but like nda's we can not just simply disclose lab results but can take the data from them for our product decision making. An internal tester actually tested higher on Total T than his baseline so the T level increases were sustained for him. He experienced no rebound or any sort of ill side effects and has actually committed to doing another full fledged panel for us a long with several other internal members.

If you guys have noticed everyone who discontinued the product because of joint discomfort or concern said that they felt normal after 3-5 days meaning they also did not experience any sort of estrogen rebounds or suppression. One can conclude that this product does not suppress or cause rebound only slight joint discomfort from growing too fast.

Perfect, thanks for that. Why couldn't he have said this in the first place instead of being condescending and rude? Being told "full of legit concerns" for one question is ridiculous not to mention the other stupid accusations thrown around

 

[Olympus Labs]

Perfect, thanks for that. Why couldn't he have said this in the first place instead of being condescending and rude? Being told "full of legit concerns" for one question is ridiculous not to mention the other stupid accusations thrown around

I can assure you that all of our reps are more than helpful it may have just been the context of the situation or a time thing. Sometimes people expect answers within the same hr else a bandwagon sort of mentality instantly forms. In order to do proper due diligence any business requires time

 

[Jebrook]

Those of you who experienced joint discomfort may find Massacr3 more to your liking. You'll still get the strength and anabolic benefits of UroB, but if it's (-)-epicatechin causing your joint pain, that's not in Massacr3. Instead, you get laxogenin, which many people have anecdotally reported helped with joint discomfort. You could even try doing a 50% dose of each if you really like (-)-epi...that would still give you a good (but not quite as high) dose of (-)-epi, plus give you a good dose of laxogenin to hopefully help with joint discomfort.

This sounds like a great plan that I intend to do. I definitely have experienced the joint comfort benefits from Laxo when I used Strength Unleashed. Although I’ve never experienced any discomfort from (-)-Epi products. Can’t wait to try this combo

 

[Mowglisml]

Half way through 6 weeks of ep1logue and nothing but good stuff. No ed issues, no joint issues. Ep1logu<3

 

[slickwillie]

After a daily flurry of posts, the current 3 day drought is interesting.

I am now looking forward to the Massacr3 Q&A topic to begin in the OL Forum.

 

[iamyourfather]

After a daily flurry of posts, the current 3 day drought is interesting.

I am now looking forward to the Massacr3 Q&A topic to begin in the OL Forum.

any news from your side? i think you are already on your second bottle right?

 

[slickwillie]

any news from your side? i think you are already on your second bottle right?

Just started my 8th week. I have to decide whether to order another bottle of Ep1logue together with a bottle of Massacr3, and run both together at one capsule of each a day, OR run Massacr3 for 30 days at full strength, and then run Ep1logue at full strength for the next 30 days. I don’t want to go over 150 mg/day of Uro B.

 

[iamyourfather]

EP1LOGUE Q&amp;A

Just started my 8th week. I have to decide whether to order another bottle of Ep1logue together with a bottle of Massacr3, and run both together at one capsule of each a day, OR run Massacr3 for 30 days at full strength, and then run Ep1logue at full strength for the next 30 days. I don’t want to go over 150 mg/day of Uro B.

did you have only 2 bottles ep1logue in total?

8 week? nice. any clearly noticeable improvements?

i thought the same. i have some joint issues (had them also before the ep1!) and maybe the laxo really helps with that. would be great. i will start bottle 2 of ep1lpgue on friday; will run it 12 weeks. then 4 weeks off and after that massacr3, maybe together with ep1, dont know yet. ****ing curious when massacr3 gets released..i hope very soon


@OL or some other users with knowledge - is there any effect that has the get build up? is it better to run the full doses of each, epicatechin/laxogenin? so one after another?

 

[xtyler]

Just started my 8th week. I have to decide whether to order another bottle of Ep1logue together with a bottle of Massacr3, and run both together at one capsule of each a day, OR run Massacr3 for 30 days at full strength, and then run Ep1logue at full strength for the next 30 days. I don’t want to go over 150 mg/day of Uro B.

It's generally a good idea to try one new product a time. Granted, Ep1logue and Massacr3 share Vaso6 and UroB so this time may be an exception.

 

[slickwillie]

It's generally a good idea to try one new product a time. Granted, Ep1logue and Massacr3 share Vaso6 and UroB so this time may be an exception.

For the past year I ran Str3ngth Unleashed and Ep1c Unleashed together, so based on your post maybe I’ll do the same with the new successor products.

 

[VO2Maxima]

After a daily flurry of posts, the current 3 day drought is interesting.

I had a powerlifting meet this weekend so I was distracted and not on the forums, really. I'm back to paying attention and being useful now lol.

did you have only 2 bottles ep1logue in total?

8 week? nice. any clearly noticeable improvements?

i thought the same. i have some joint issues (had them also before the ep1!) and maybe the laxo really helps with that. would be great. i will start bottle 2 of ep1lpgue on friday; will run it 12 weeks. then 4 weeks off and after that massacr3, maybe together with ep1, dont know yet. ****ing curious when massacr3 gets released..i hope very soon


@OL or some other users with knowledge - is there any effect that has the get build up? is it better to run the full doses of each, epicatechin/laxogenin? so one after another?

I would expect the laxogenin to help with joint issues. Also keep in mind that our laxogenin and (-)-epicatechin in Massacr3 and Ep1logue are dosed very high, so running half doses of each will still give you a nice dose of each. Have you run laxogenin solo in the past before? I might use that to dictate...if you've never run laxo solo, I'd try Massacr3 on its own first. That way you can directly compare Massacr3 and Ep1logue and decide if there's one you like vastly better than the other, or if there are certain times during your training macrocycle that you'd want to run each, or if you like both and want to stack half doses of both in the future.

 

[iamyourfather]

I had a powerlifting meet this weekend so I was distracted and not on the forums, really. I'm back to paying attention and being useful now lol.


I would expect the laxogenin to help with joint issues. Also keep in mind that our laxogenin and (-)-epicatechin in Massacr3 and Ep1logue are dosed very high, so running half doses of each will still give you a nice dose of each. Have you run laxogenin solo in the past before? I might use that to dictate...if you've never run laxo solo, I'd try Massacr3 on its own first. That way you can directly compare Massacr3 and Ep1logue and decide if there's one you like vastly better than the other, or if there are certain times during your training macrocycle that you'd want to run each, or if you like both and want to stack half doses of both in the future.

ive never ran laxo before because it seemed no very effective but OL brought it to another level. you are right, i should run the laxo on its own first, will do it like this, thank you!