EP1LOGUE Log (log log lol) +++Unsponsored+++
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rowz4broz
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Still trucking on... yday wore a tank to the gym while hitting chest and saw a **** TON of viens in my chest that usually only pop up when I’m a bit of a lower BF or when I have a sick pump. So far this product has been killing in the pumps department. Really thinking about upping it to 3 pills per day.
rascal14
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Does the pump last longer than normal?
rowz4broz
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unfortunately i cant say that it does
GavMorgan84
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Anything to report?
Mowglisml
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When did you notice this? I didn’t get the same painful pump today (day 3 of just using it)
GavMorgan84
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Ok bro. Well keep training hard and hope to hear more from you soon.
rowz4broz
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eveytime ive had a crazy pump i came on here to report, it so 3 workouts ago was the last time i had a really good pump from this.Just noticed too this was @ 3 caps and only 2 two caps today... hit back... i was pumped up but nothing out of the norm
Mowglisml
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Ok. So similar to me. About 2 days later pumps don’t hurt like they did the first time. So now after ur body having 3 pills the 2 pills aint doin it.. i was thinking that perhaps food throughout the day before you take may affect it? That is only difference between my 3 days of taking it. The day before my first day (monday) i ate a lot more carbs and ate a heavy carb soup before bed. Note i workout first thing morning
rowz4broz
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I ALWAYS eat a carb heavy lunch... 4 hours later dose epilogue 30 mins before gym and dinner is low carb - no carb
crowbar46
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All I can say is that prior food intake and timing play a large role in getting the .maximum pump effect from this product. I have noticed a big difference in the pump effect when I have eaten my usual breakfast of casein/whey shake, Turkey sausage/2 egg and mozzarella cheese sandwich on while grain or sprouted bread, and a banana, then trained 3 1/2 hours later, or I lighten it up and have a shake, banana and a protein bar for breakfast, for example. I also use Peptipro/cluster dextrin pre/intra workout.
I also now take Epilogue about 1 hr. 15 min. out from training. I also split the dosage and take 1 pre training with 1/2 a serving Reign, the other dose 6-8 hours later. The pump may be nice, but spreading out the dose of Uro B is more important; besides, I get a great pump from a single dose (especially combined with 1/2 serving Reign). I personally notice the pump for hours, especially a couple of hours after my second dose.
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iamyourfather
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hey guys, any news here? how do you feel?
thanks and cheers
thanks and cheers
GavMorgan84
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Don't look so EPIc after all!?
Geoffr
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rowz4broz
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gonna be brutally honest here
been dosing at 3 caps a day 1 in the am and 2 pwo.
nothing too crazy to report... currently going through a career change and sleep has been ****. but based off of what everyone else is reporting in the OL thread I was hoping for more.
I am about half way through my second bottle and OL sent me a third as a replacement for my re1gn DM 1st batch so I still have another bottle to go through.
Ill report back
edit - no way affiliated with any companies either but since coming off FD2 I dont feel as big and hard (muscle wise lol) as I used too. After I finish this up Im gonna run 2 bottles of MAN Sports PR-XT take a few weeks off from supps and hop back on FD2.. just waiting on a Nutri sale
keep in mind A LOT of people are reporting great **** with this and it appears that I am the only one with a unimpressed mindset yet. So either way its worth trying out for yourself
been dosing at 3 caps a day 1 in the am and 2 pwo.
nothing too crazy to report... currently going through a career change and sleep has been ****. but based off of what everyone else is reporting in the OL thread I was hoping for more.
I am about half way through my second bottle and OL sent me a third as a replacement for my re1gn DM 1st batch so I still have another bottle to go through.
Ill report back
edit - no way affiliated with any companies either but since coming off FD2 I dont feel as big and hard (muscle wise lol) as I used too. After I finish this up Im gonna run 2 bottles of MAN Sports PR-XT take a few weeks off from supps and hop back on FD2.. just waiting on a Nutri sale
keep in mind A LOT of people are reporting great **** with this and it appears that I am the only one with a unimpressed mindset yet. So either way its worth trying out for yourself
00A
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Not true, im in same boat as you.. didnt feel no special pumps! But i keep taking and hoping long term results will show..i didnt write to much in other thread as may get backlash..
Martyfnemec
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Make sure you post your experience too. I am highly interested, but am still waiting for the final results of all of these early adopters.
jtmass
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That's a good idea. Wait it out. I may not do a log. But, will definitely share my experience and results.
TheMovement
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All factors considered it should only be getting better considering the formula.
Never be afraid to post YOUR personal experience with a product. None of us are the same and there’s plenty of skeptics and fan boys. The only thing that matters is the experience you feel and the time you put in.
Never be afraid to post YOUR personal experience with a product. None of us are the same and there’s plenty of skeptics and fan boys. The only thing that matters is the experience you feel and the time you put in.
TheMovement
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No need to worry. Just observe and press toward your goal. Hopefully it helps along the way.
iamyourfather
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no need to be worried, even only the pumps are worth the product but you also have the epi + the UroB (which should be noticeable on week 3 like most people say)
VO2Maxima
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^This. Pumps are expected, and sorry to hear that some of you guys aren't getting pumped off of it, though obviously not everyone will react exactly the same way. However pumps aren't the only thing Ep1logue has to offer, otherwise this would be a really expensive non-stim pump pre. Ep1logue is also a natural anabolic, and imo the most exciting thing that people are talking about is strength gain. So I wouldn't worry yet.
Geoffr
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How long have you been taking it? Also how/when are you dosing it?
00A
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What you think of OL lack of RnD testing, poor replies to valid questions bought up, you not concerned about toxicity? Just want know your thoughts as currently disappointed with OL attitude especially as a fan and buyer of many of their products..
rowz4broz
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i stopped taking epilogue 5-6 days ago.
I had an embarrassing experience with my gf... extremely painful joints... and overall lethargy all day.
at this point my joints no longer hurt and energy seems to be coming back. Unfortunately libido is still not good.
I would have LOVED to seen blood work prior to running this compound but i blame myself for not taking blood work as well. what bothers me the most about OL is the fact that they seem to think they are entitled just because they are coming to the market with new and never before seen ingredients. In some of the Q's asked in their thread the Q's are completely dismissed or responded to in a condescending way. While I am concerned about toxicity I am more concerned about my lack of libido.
about half way through my second bottle of EP1 is when sides started to kick in.
at this point I was only running
EP1, protein, creatine, and staples. No other natty anabolics.
Upon stopping EP1 I started to use PR-XT by MAN sports but a forum member that has been having communication with me through PM (who is also concerned about this product) told me to stop all supplement use and let body recover and to get blood work. I have stopped all supplement use (minus staples) and still need to plan for blood work.
I wanted to use Alphmax XT as OTC PTC but if EP1 Killed my estro im worried about lowering it further with Alphamax
my honest truth is i wish I did not take this product.
EDIT- OL has NOT lost me a customer. I want to clarify. Too many people are reporting good things with this product. Our bodies are all different. I do think that condescending responses are immature and a lack of responses is just a bad look. BUT they are still bringing to market good products. I loved TR1UMPH and data on velositil looks solid.
R&D teams needs to actually be an R&D team though... as an R&D team you are held to a higher standard then anecdotal evidence..
iamyourfather
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@OP can you please post this into the ep1 Q&A thread?
00A
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Thank you man, this is exactly the kind of proper response one was asking for.. I understand your thoughts.
"R&D teams needs to actually be an R&D team though... as an R&D team you are held to a higher standard then anecdotal evidence"
Amen to that.
I did not feel the placebo pumps people are going on about and definitely do not feel more libido or better sexual experience.
They lost me as a customer for the simple fact when asking relevant and concerning questions they provide poor answers.
Yeh like I believe it worked for the whole OL team and they all got amazing results, course they will say that, its their product they trying promote, all this **** may work on the newbies out there, but we not on same levels of fitness.
BTW I got PR-XT by MAN sports on my list, I feel the ingredients are excellent alternative to Anabeta Elite.
I will take hormones blood test soon, as not done it for a while and check if anything looks abnormal.
I to have stopped taking the product and will sell my sealed second bottle.
Cheers for a proper review and being honest.
00A
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Pointless.. they not listening. Read the whole Ep1 thread, accused myself and brundal Black Lion Research or somehow trying to cause issues for them, if you see my posts, all be pro and positive for OL, the one day u mention concerns or problems, you become a enemy in a way.. lets not bring up StimX oh boy!
rowz4broz
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The thing with OL is their cult like following.. I dont really want to have a keyboard war with OL cult warriors who
A) Think im lying
B) Will attribute this to the fact that I was using other products (I am sure EP1 did this to me as I was running the other compounds with no problems)
C) Think I have some sort of agenda against OL
ETC
iamyourfather
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i read the whole thread. im on day 22 of ep1logue. no problems so far, the pumps are definitely not placebo, it feels great, cant say that im much stronger or that my endurance is up soo much but overall i feel very (!) good.
i think he should post it, even if its maybe pointless. if all people read it and ask for answers, OL must do anything. they cant be silent, i mean whats going on in a few weeks when all the people end their cycle and have maybe the same side effects as you/the OP?
OL does want to sell their products also in the future so they have to react on these claims or i think this whole story will result in a very damaging ****storm after more people are at the end of their cycle
rowz4broz
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Im not a believer in VASO - 6 until i can see data
i get better pumps from 1 g agma or 6 g citrulline
Im excited to start back up PR-XT have 1 full bottle and 5/6 full bottle
This is an ironic post because on my second or third workout I said STIM X was VERY similar to yohimbine and was SHUT DOWN by ol
Price plow then came out with an article about how Stim - X could be yohimbine
they have since updated it to this
PricePlow said:
"cousin" or whatever it treated me just like yohimbine
iamyourfather
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rowz4broz
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I am very happy to hear it is going well for you.
I hope it continues to go well!
truth be told I would really rather keep this here.
00A
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Im happy you gettin results you want.. not trying damage anything, people react different to supplements. was just asking they show some RND data or least got someone who was clean of supps to try Ep1 and do before and after blood tests.. btw other supps will give you pumps for cheaper price.. im not taking Ep1 for pump and endurance get a good pre for that..
Suppose be natural muscle builder..
Stimx gave me strong stim dick. And others reported this, lost these supps seem to be messing with peoples libidos-sexual organs, hence need check hormone blood tests..
Not saying to others not to take their products just saying I shall no longer be due to poor RnD and reports
iamyourfather
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thank you, i hope it goes well yes.
when did you mention the first side effects?
tbh i really feel that my libido is up IF there is anything going on with it, my joint pains (have some shoulder pain since a few weeks) were there before taking the ep1logue and havent got worse yet. i have pain in my left rotator cuff, i always do some exercises for it before push and pull day, only on leg day i dont do anything for it. so maybe the higher weights caused that, i got stronger the last weeks but cant say that its all the ep1. anyway i dont think that any supplement can cause these rotator cuff problems just by itself so the ep1 is hardly the causer of this issue
rowz4broz
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Started dosing at 3 caps because I was noticing too much.. about 2-3 weeks in at 3 caps I knew something was wrong.
I think Ep1 could be the caust of my joint stiffness due to an AM member(pretty sure he posted this in OL thread) claiming it killed his estro in a short period of time
iamyourfather
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i dont take it only for the pumps; they just are there, the first 2 weeks they were present the whole day. i can feel every muscle better, especially the muscle-mind connection is up with vaso 6 (i can say that because i feel the same with re1gn only, my friend experienced the same) and that not only during training!
i always use citrullin malate and agmatin for pumps; except when i take re1gn (+ep1logue). stimdick? i know what it is, had a time in my life where i used a lot drugs, mostly for party. so the stimdick you get of pure amphetamine is much worse than the little bit i get from re1gn. sometimes i dont even get it. so i have no issues here; its the same as with most other high stim pre workouts, maybe a little stimdick but thats normal for amphetamines (+ their derivates)
iamyourfather
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hmm first i have to say that we all know that OL products are dosed correctly, so 1 serving size is usually really enough. so if they recommend 150mg UroB, i wouldnt up it to 225mg, especially not if its a new compound without reviews. but though its a natty compound, it shouldnt **** you up if you take just an additional 50% of the dose, so yeah, thats a little bit questionable.
they claim UroB to be the strongest natty anabolic, it has also „well-known“ AI properties. should it decrease your estrogen? yes. should it **** you up? clearly NOT. i will do bloodwork after my cycle (have 3 bottles, i will use it if i don’t experience any sides) to check my test/estro; will do a big bloodwork to get also all the other important results.
i dont think that UroB is toxic in any way, i do think that its obviously a quite strong active substance.
what are the common things to do if estro is low? what can you do?
rowz4broz
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I would go as far as saying low estro can feel like low T
Low libido
Lethargy
Painful joints
etc