Ending the stimulant effect more quickly
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cubsfan815
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Is it just caffeine, or any other stimulants? I know if I get jittery with Alpha Y, I can take in something sugary to blunt it.
Young Gotti
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chamomile tea....works to help you get to sleep and have a better sleep
ppl have described chamomile as a mild tranquilizer which kills off the effects of too much caffeine
ppl have described chamomile as a mild tranquilizer which kills off the effects of too much caffeine
justhere4comm
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Sedation by Vein Nutrition has an herb in it that is said to increase the metabolism of caffeine.
It's also an excellent sleep aid. The best I have ever had, and I've got two tubs of it.
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It's also an excellent sleep aid. The best I have ever had, and I've got two tubs of it.
I have a 50% off code: sleepnow
Get some sleep! 1/4 dose works for most.
SFreed
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I'll second everything in this post, including the two tubs. I take less than a teaspoon and it works like a champ. Seeing that discount code has me seriously considering picking up a couple more.
justhere4comm
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That is one of the ingredients of "SEDATION" from Vein Nutrition.
NoAddedHmones
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Give Japanese sake yeast a try, contains adenosine analogues, which bind to the adenosine A2a receptor subtype and have the opposite and opposing action of caffeine (acts as an agonist).
Have yet to find a ruteacarpine product on the market that is dosed remotely close to the 1g required based on that rat study.
Have yet to find a ruteacarpine product on the market that is dosed remotely close to the 1g required based on that rat study.
HIT4ME
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Interesting suggestion. But will it work if the caffeine has already blockaded the receptors?
NoAddedHmones
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Well its not really something you can look at in the context of a perpetual effect, while active in the blood stream caffeine will act on the receptor and ellicit its effect, adding the adenosine analogues into the mix will then competitively have an opposing effect, reducing caffeines ‘awakeness’ effect. In theory obviously, but also what we found in our testing of the ingredient.
This is obviously considering caffeine as the only stim in the picture.
banjobounce
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This. I would imagine that milk whistle would slow down metabolism of caffeine, as it is considered a phase 3 detox inhibitor. If that logic applies( and this is just speculation on my part) coq10 and st John's wort would speed up the process.
HIT4ME
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Interesting. Since you've seen this in testing that's pretty interesting too. I would think the same thing would happen from caffeine consumption itself - you blockade the receptors, so the adenosine cannot bind and this elevates extra cellular levels of adenosine until the blockade is lifted. Of course...raising those levels even beyond endogenous levels would amplify this effect so that once the receptors are available again, there is even more adenosine in the blood stream.
The yeast thing is interesting too because I wonder if adenosine levels are lower in Alzheimer's patients - there's research suggesting people who drink more than 3 cups of coffee a day in their 40's and 50's tend to have lower AD rates. I have wondered if this is due to the potential that people who drink that much coffee have normal or above average adenosine function - particularly receptor numbers - while people with below average adenosine receptor counts can't tolerate the coffee and thus don't drink it. But that is a big tangent and wild theory.
I wonder if there's a CYP450 interaction that could be put in play here...
edit: *nevermind* duh - ruteacarpine has already been mentioned for the CYP450.
John Smeton
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L theanine is a good supplement. 200-400 mgs, the fact that its natural is awesome .
Another good one before sleep is MST Somnidren-GH Ultra™. It contains some l theanine, gaba, and other ingredients
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nickodemus
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Is this located at their store, or another site?
justhere4comm
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I do think it's only available at their store online.
If they are out of stock, then I'll let one of my tubs go (Unopened) because the other will last me another 6 months.
bosskardo
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That stuff is hard to find. Wanted to experiment with it solo but guess not possible. Gotta stick with Amnes1a.
cheftepesh1
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Why are you not just avoiding stims? This would prove a better choice.
Sss23
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Does sedation contain phenibut? I don’t want that and doesn’t look like it does
So is ruteacarpine worthless below 1g?
Where would someone get Japanese sake yeast? Have you tried it?
I take ltheanine and it helps a bit from a calming aspect but not actually falling asleep
I can’t avoid stims since I’m studying for a test after working 9-10 hours a day so I need something. And it’s not even much probably a cup of coffee’s worth of caffeine, idk how I could be this sensitive
So is ruteacarpine worthless below 1g?
Where would someone get Japanese sake yeast? Have you tried it?
I take ltheanine and it helps a bit from a calming aspect but not actually falling asleep
I can’t avoid stims since I’m studying for a test after working 9-10 hours a day so I need something. And it’s not even much probably a cup of coffee’s worth of caffeine, idk how I could be this sensitive
justhere4comm
Banned
No sir. You can use Sedation every day if you wanted to. I only use it when I need it, and 30-45 minutes before I want to go to sleep. It really does help you feel drowsy; relaxed, and ready to sleep. Don't take too much of it, which is why I recommend 1 teaspoon. It's effective at that dose for me and I weigh 230 at the moment.
Re: Ruteacarpine under 1g on it's own maybe not (how much caffeine would be in you?) Caffeine doesn't last long as it is in your system (4-6 hours), but that supplement has a host of ingredients that work together so amazingly well, it's a small part of the big picture. It works very well.
Like I said before. 1/2 tub will easily last me 6 months.
It tastes freaking amazing with Perrier Peach combined with the Orange Gummy Bear over ice. I mean crazy good.
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John Smeton
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Hey be thankful youre getting effects from such low dose. Im post competition from this past weekend and pre competiiton, ive got one coming up june 9th, and use 200 mgs caffiene along with 25 mgs ephedrine daily, which is low. . The rest of last year I used no stims.
Low dose isnt an issue so you can do that year round and be fine. One approach ive found fter competition season is over, come off ephedrine, and keep caffeine, on workout days, use a pre workout, I dont use pre workouts pre competition bc they may have sugars or carbs in them, so only not contest season, and caffeine tab on non workout days, do this for a month or so then transition to completely off .