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"End of the World" Cycle..."P.Borreson/Duchaine" Inspired...Leave the kids at home!!

jomi822 said:
this thread is nizzzuts.

btw how much did all of that cost you my friend?
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Gear or supps?either would be hard to say anyways really,Supps I'm always picking up here/there...best deal i got was on the 16 cans/per case 30g whey protiens....Its that Xyience stuff,not a fan really,but whey is whey..GNC sells em' for $5 a Can,I got em' for $5/case of 16...So I dropped like $500 on protien that day,bought almost 100 cases,every case they had...Stuffs lasted a while,my girl hits em' up 2-3 ed too and its still lasting,lol...Retail,I wouldn't even begin to guess how much,Alot,thats for sure...lol
 
That was a ****ton of whey protein. I know you get the easy access for protein, buy you could buy yourself so many 10lb bags of whey Optimum Nutrition for $500.00
 
Honestly I get alot from meals,but Obviosuly pushing the Envelope I need more,So much easier to grab a cold can and run,then mix all those bs shakes....Fvck Blendin' all kind of BS all the time...I got Burnt out on Choc Whey shakes a few years ago,I got like 15-20 dif kinds of protien...trust me,A fridge full of cold cans ready to chug is a blessing...

Its just money anyways,I'm good.;)Why ....you need a loan til' payday?;)

ACTUALLY...doing the math real quick


I paid $500 for 1,600 cans at 30g protien per can...thats 48,000g protien(ready to drink)

Now compared with Optimum 10lb bags
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160 servings at 24g protien per serving at roughly $70 per bag...thats 3,840 g per bag...

So for $70 per bag,7 bags is all you could get for $500...7x3,840=26,880g protien.....

Thats almost twice the $$$ and you gotta mix the nasty tastin' sh1t...

Hows that a better deal.....
 
The RTD is pretty kick ass. I get the bars from time to time. I'm paying for grad school straight out so I don't owe anything once I finish. I really just don't want to take loans, because the whole interest thing is like pissing away good money to me. Then I'll probably spend more on supps. Right now I just keep it at the bread and butter.
 
ReaperX said:
The RTD is pretty kick ass. I get the bars from time to time. I'm paying for grad school straight out so I don't owe anything once I finish. I really just don't want to take loans, because the whole interest thing is like pissing away good money to me. Then I'll probably spend more on supps. Right now I just keep it at the bread and butter.
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My Fav whey is Isopure...micronized whey...mixes like Kool-aid almost,No lumps..and no thick milky shake...carb free,but if anything thE stuff is too sweet...NOT SURE HOW THEY PULL IT OFF..Similiar to that Nectar' stuff...All fruity and at least half way thirst quenching...GOOD STUFF...Good to break away from those thick choc shakes...I get so tired of nasty milky choc shakes,lol.
 
Day 6:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,,Masteron 200mg,Drol 150mg,Dbol 60mg

So day consisted of 1.71g gear

Thats 9.4g in 6 days

Things are going as well as I could have imagined...Tommorrows day 7,I'll post gains weekly...
I'm pretty Impressed so far..Not even a touch of the flu..
 
getswole said:
I decided I'm fixin to run a 8wk "Duchaine/P.Borreson"Inspired High mg Short Run,Its
gonna look something like this:

Day 1-10:Sust 750mg ed/ EQ 100mg ed/Drol 200mg ed
Day11-21:Test E 400mg ed/ EQ 400mg ed/Drol 200mg ed
Day22-32:Test Cyp 500mg ed/ EQ 400mg ed/Drol 200mg ed
Day33-43:T Prop 150mg ed/Tren 150mg ed/Winny 200mg ed
Day44-56:T Prop 150mg eod/Tren 150mg eod/Winny 200mg ed

250iu HCG 2x week throughout
arimidex .5mg eod throughout
Nolv as needed

HCG/Clomid/Nolv post cycle therapy

With some serious cycle support throughout:


Finasteride .5-1mg ED, Inj L-Carnitine 400mg ED, Inj B-12 1,000mcg eod, Cranberry Extract/&Juice,Glucosamine/Chondroitin 1000mg, MSM 1000mg, r-ALA 250mg 2x/day, Green Tea Extract 450mg, Glutamine, Taurine 450mg 2x/day, L-Arginine 450mg 2x/day, Milk Thistle 450mg, Liv-52 250mg 2x/day, Omega 3, 6, 9 EFAs 4000IU 2x/day, zinc 50mg 2x/day, multivit, vit c 500mg 2x/day,and HCG 250IU 2x per week,Hawthorn extract,Saw Palmetto,& Silvex brand Colodial Silver to keep my Immune system up(I've used the stuff for 2 yrs now and havn't got sick)

Gear is brewed w/ EO so its all high mg/ml to keep volume down..Been wanting to do one of these for years now,its time to give it a try,Depending on how my bloodwork looks I may cut it back to 5-6 wks if needed,Keep in mind I'm not reccomending this for anyone to try but I will post a log when I get everything going in a few weeks,I'm also running a 10 day course of antibiotics before beggining the cycle to make sure my system isn't harboring any infections that could pop up.Otherwise refered to as being"Low Grade"

The whole point of this type of high mg short cycle is to be able to keep 5-6g+ gear every week,and keeping the AR receptors SUPER Saturated and allow to open up a third non AR mediated pathway for growth,which duchaine firmply believed in but could not prove before his untimely death,but even more importantly proved by Paul Borreson in his own use/growth and his coaching w/ many top pros at the time,although never 'explained' how exactly this third pathway for growth took place,the numbers/gains were there to back it up .I'm sure your all familiar with most of these old interviews and stuff I'm referencing from.

The idea behind a 5-6 wk cycle of this magnitude was the thought that your really not gonna hurt yourself in 4-5 weeks,and this type of cycle at extremely high mg's was considered to be safer than say a standard 12+wk cycle of standard or even low dose cycles,and that in 5 weeks your body will respond and bounce back much faster/better.I've asked alot of people and heard alot of talk,and I've always been the type to have to learn things the hard way/myself...So I will gladly let you all along for the ride,Also keep in mind my typical cycles are over 2.5g's a week anyways usually so this is not really an extreme step per say .Don't try this at home boys and girls:food:

And Of course I welcome you all trying to talk me out of it,bring it on!:head:

And No this is not a joke.
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750mg of Sust ED?!!!! holy $hit!


pretty sick bro.
 
Im curious to seee how the first week will treat you.

Noticing sweating like hell on my cycle and thats only 750mg a week of tren e. You took in near a gram in first week alone wait till week 2 it will heat you up nicely.

BTW, to the guy going through grad shcool. Take a loan bro. That is how people generate wealth in the US. Trust me, if you take economics learn present value. It basically will teach you that cash is worht more to you that it is to pay off what ya owe right away! also loans help your credit if you are on time.
 
Day 7:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,,Masteron 200mg,Drol 150mg,Dbol 60mg

So day consisted of 1.71g gear

Thats 11.3g in 7 days

Things are going well,I've watched the scale this week,I wake up,piss,weigh myself...I'm up 8 lbs ,Scale says 9,but I'm being optimistic...and the first 2 days I didn't gain anything.So those 8-9 lbs are really in the last 5 days...I'm Impressed...I'm actually thinking of bumping the drol up to 200mg ed and dbol to 80-100mg ed...I've always handled orals really well...I'm gonna sleep on it though,I'll decide tomorrow..but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna bump them up and will be throwing tren E back in the mix this week.I'm sure most will think my orals are insane....;)I have a good relationship with my liver,we chat everyday;)he said go for it,he can take it:twisted:
 
northern said:
Noticing sweating like hell on my cycle and thats only 750mg a week of tren e. You took in near a gram in first week alone wait till week 2 it will heat you up nicely.
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Yeah,My last tren cycle was tren ace 150mg ed...Along w/ some test and stuff...So 1,000mg tren is right on track for me..I've defenitely been expecting some temp issues but so far so good..I'm still expecting it though..Tren is prob my fav,tren is about the only thing that gets me vascular in a bulk...Seems like I can eat my ass of and still be hard and vascular,even with some waterweight...Love tren...I got a 200ml Jug of tren ace staring at me....Soon as my tren E is out ,Its bring on the Tren Ace:aargh: :aargh: :aargh: :smite:
The Tren is one thing that I'm not pushing the envelope too far with...I'm not gonna run4g tren a week,thats just beyond stupidity...I wish I could though,might go as high as 1.5 g this wek though

Don't get me wrong,If I'm outside in the heat I'm drippin' sweat like a waterfountain...No nightsweats though,thats my concern...I try to stay in the AC...My sh1t stays on 68 Degrees..Even my gym is Always ice cold...Love it
 
Day 8:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,Masteron 150mg,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters)

So day consisted of 2.12g gear


Everything going smooth,Life is Good:twisted:Better than Good:twisted:If this was that Adam Sandler Movie click',I'd have to FF to week 3 and see whats up;)
i think I ate an extra dose of dbols,better to eat an extra dose than miss a dose...So I might have been around 150mg dbol today;)...I know I'm insane,Please don't anyone do this..You can notice I increased my orals to drol200mg/dbol100mg ed....I'm be playing that by ear daily...I wish myself luck on that one...Funny how I can eat a handfull of orals but Superdrol jaundices me out by week 2 ,at low doses,me and superdrol just don't click I guess...I gave up on designers way back anyways....who needs em'...besides the ones all our wonderful board sponsors sell;)of course
 
getswole said:
Day 8:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,Masteron 150mg,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters)

So day consisted of 2.12g gear


Everything going smooth,Life is Good:twisted:Better than Good:twisted:If this was that Adam Sandler Movie click',I'd have to FF to week 3 and see whats up;)
i think I ate an extra dose of dbols,better to eat an extra dose than miss a dose...So I might have been around 150mg dbol today;)...I know I'm insane,Please don't anyone do this..You can notice I increased my orals to drol200mg/dbol100mg ed....I'm be playing that by ear daily...I wish myself luck on that one...Funny how I can eat a handfull of orals but Superdrol jaundices me out by week 2 ,at low doses,me and superdrol just don't click I guess...I gave up on designers way back anyways....who needs em'...besides the ones all our wonderful board sponsors sell;)of course
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Wow!! Man you are definitely insane!

I just hope that no funny sides will pop up and haunt you.
 
We will find out that he has just joined the 500 club.

"Oh wait you mean that the 500 club is just for bench? I though it also included squat and deadlift, damn!" - GetSwole - newest memeber of the 500 club

Lol.

Anyhow, yeah to be honest superdrol sucked the big one everyone reported amaxzing things and to be honest I hated it. Felt crappy and gained next to nothing. Hell pheraplex did better for me than taht damn superdrol and not only that but idiots have now confused superDROL with anaDROL.

Someone mentions they are stacking 100mg of drol in a cycle and some dope goes wow thats alot of superdrol man. lol.

I am really curious about your lifts again this is too early to tell but (I having just watched click by fastforwarding to the parts where they show the wife bareass getting it on with the dog - always buy the unrated) week 3 will be interesting however at your dosages week 2 should also be fun too.

Anyhwo good luck! If you need a liver well theres an old wino living in my alley, im certain he aint using it and it will prolly be in better shape then yours.
 
Yeah I have a good feeling week 2-3 is what gonna kick my ass,I'm lovin it...I had been slackin the the gym the last motnh or so before started this cycle,and that was after cutting back from 235+ down to just under 220...I got a little carried away and lost too much,I Hate cutting really,don't do it often,everytime I do I lose all my strength nearly... So anyways My lifts were all crap so this first week was really just getting my lifts in every day and more of a heavy warmup week..which is now over,I'll start gauging lifts this week and see where I'm at,I'm def already back before when I cut last and lifts are right where they were,which is impressive to myself...But I always bounce back fast anyways...Scales show a 10lb solid gain now and 7/8"-1"cold on my arms since day 1:twisted:,1" on my chest too..I'll list some stats end of this week,I'm really going for pure size and tape gains..this cycle..couple weeks in I'll push the strength thing more,Every WO I'm feeling like I'm leaving the gym but could do more...but I'm trying to make sure to not overtrain..Less is More...Been sleeping all crazy all week,up almost everynight,all night...Finally took 40mg Ambien/w/some head;) and was out for 16hrs straight,that was right after a latenight shoulder WO...
 
Well I just haqd the days stats typed out and then Explorer crashed somehow...I'm too beat to type it out again,tonight,I gotta get some head and some sleep....I post todays gains in the morning.....this was the best post by far as far as every angle of this cycle....I'll say thios and elaborate tomorrow,I've been 6-8+weeks in a standard bulk and have never been this huge...let alone this fast...I'll elaborate tomorrow,I gotta go...But trust me sh1t is good..I saw a friend last night..he was like whoa...he had seen me the week before...
Anyways I'm out,talk to you bro's tomorrow..Watch for my post its a good one.:clean:
 
I'm convinced that designer gear is worse than the regular old school stuff. Its gotta be more toxic than the real thing.
 
ReaperX said:
I'm convinced that designer gear is worse than the regular old school stuff. Its gotta be more toxic than the real thing.
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Your absolutely right,now that may change one day....but not now it wasn'tAlthough I'd love a mass tab that would kick drol/dbol to the curb...I just don't seethat happening.....the only times I had sides noticabl;e were both with designers...it was some of those pinnacle"adro poppers"right before the first ban....pur androsteine,,,those get me heated but I started losing hair...Fvck that...and tha n SD which had blood in my urin i a week w low doses...prop and tren in there too,but the sd acted as I threw a monkey wrench in my sh1t and it started screwin all kinds stuff up....that was the last designer I toughed years ago...Whe I see someone saying yoiu making solid gains with no sides on SD or this that,I'm thinkin Man that Kid has superfrech virgin liver to allow it too,its gonna hit him hard when it does....now me,My liver is more aged,like a fine wine....;)
 
One last note:For those of you that dont pin trappz....Start working them into your ratation,a good size trap can hold between3-6cc's easy...I luv pinn' trapz...anyhow,I'm out
Sleepin pills kickin in///ZzzZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......L8r
 
I find it hard to believe that people actually thought Superdrol was side effect free...seriously. I mean wouldn't you atleast turn the bottle around and think 'Hm, what the hell is this ?' A lot of people started just tossing it back without know what it is and def. without PCT. Then M1T came along which is probably prostate/liver cancer plus shaves off years of your life in a bottle.

IDS has this new product out called "Mass Tabs" It looks pretty shady and I heard it has some Superdrol derivative in it.

Superdrol turns your liver into oatmeal:hammer:
 
Day 9:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,Masteron 150mg,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters)

So day consisted of 2.12g gear

Well at day 9 I have to say this is the best cycle ever,blows them all outta the water at this point,besides my tapes/scales creeping up daily,I'm Honestly Blowin the fvck up fast...Seen a friend yesterday,we was like whoa,he had scoped my arms...he had seen me a couple weeks back when I was lookin rough...from gym slackin for a month...Being Optimistic as possible,I still have to say I'm makuning better gains in these 9 days..then I made by week 6-8 in my last typical 14wk bulk...Scale tipped 10lb mark today,and a full inch on arms...cold...taped on off day...Pumps are insane...best I've ever had..Today was the first day I noticed back pain/pumps...We've picked up one of those recliner massage chairs...Oh yeah...that thing is a must have...If you don't have one get one quick...Good Stuff...Anyways I'll kep posted daily,as I've bumper the orals up even more,I'm expecting continued/possibly improved oral gains...and am hopeing to be able to continue to puch the orals gains through with the rest of the gear which will be taking grab soon enough.....I;m starting to get some pretty high expectations at this point,already seeing where I'm at so quickly...It is fvcking amazing
 
id think it would be a good idea to drink at least 4 gallons of water a day!

imo you should have got back in the gym getting your lifts up before the cycle, that would be even more gains! I mean you would already be starting at the high end of your ability...but you dont seem like a guy that can be easily changed or told lol.
 
pistonpump said:
id think it would be a good idea to drink at least 4 gallons of water a day!

imo you should have got back in the gym getting your lifts up before the cycle, that would be even more gains! I mean you would already be starting at the high end of your ability...but you dont seem like a guy that can be easily changed or told lol.
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would have ,could have,should have,didn't...fact is I rebound fast...a couple of my friends are the same way...we could miss a month and have everything back in a week...it almost is a curse knowing it ...I'm not a hard gainer...I gues I should point out again I'm going for tape gains.Pure size,not strength gains,the strength willl come reagardless anyways..,but missing 3-4 weeksat the gym wasn't gonna make a huge difference for me either way,for others I agree it would...but it wasn't gonna make a huge difference for me,if anything the few weeks off did me some good,I'm nice and fresh/rested...i do that couple times a year anyways,seems like coming back in the gym after a couple weeks of being off does wonders...you always need a break

But yeah I chug water like crazy,and when I can't drink anymore I mix crystal light,makes it alot easier to chug,then of course coffee in the morning,tea with meals...more water...if anything I'm haivng to cut back some water to get more food in...hitting my high cal range is my main concern,w/ water of course...
 
Day 10:

Deca 400mg,Sust 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,Masteron 150mg,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters a friend gave me,Thx bro if your reading this;))

So day consisted of 2.12g gear

Workout was strong,my arms got a pump just from workin' legs if that tells you anything about the pumps I'm getting,I'll stat weight/tape gains again at day 14,but I will say things are still moving along,If this cycle doesn't plateau and peak out early then its gonna give some seriously unbelievable gains...I wish you all could feel these blood levels right now.Sust is gone.. so test E will be taking its place,then cyp,then prop,then most likely if I can possibly extend this cycle I'll be runnin A waterbase T.Susp a couple weeks at high levels.....I'm getting ahead of myself but if things are looking good blood wise I'm thinking around week 8 I might drop to a standard tren/prop cycle for 8weeks to solidify these gains...so would then be 8 weeks at high doses and 8 weeks at a normal tren ace 150ed/T.prop 200mg ed......and if lipids are in good shape winny at 200mg ed for those last 6 weeks...1/2 inj....1/2 oral......But again I'm playing this day by day...Still no touch of the T flu...The precycle course of Amoxicillin did wonders as always...Although I wasn't sure at these high doses,but all is well...
 
getswole id love to see a total T blood test from your fine ass

and a lipid panel for that matter, but who cares about those damn lipids anyway.
 
jomi822 said:
getswole id love to see a total T blood test from your fine ass

and a lipid panel for that matter, but who cares about those damn lipids anyway.
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I would too,unfortunately thats not gonna happen this month...it would be one to frame and hang on the wall though for sure;)

Clogged arteries?Sorry I'm in good health,try again.
 
we got into it a little while back when you mocked me about my test e/dbol cycle thats coming up as being 'big'. i can see why!! holy sh1t brotha this is incredible!! i'll be watching this for sure! good luck man!!
 
sfearl1 said:
we got into it a little while back when you mocked me about my test e/dbol cycle thats coming up as being 'big'. i can see why!! holy sh1t brotha this is incredible!! i'll be watching this for sure! good luck man!!
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I was just messin with ya;)But yeah now you see where I'm coming from...:afro: Appreciate the well wishes...Blood pressures looking good,Everythings beyond great so far,and for the most part alot of the gear hasn't even kicked in,its gonna be quite a ride...I would swear I have more gear pumping through me then blood itself..Kinda Insane

But yeah,one might either learn from my mistakes here,or benefit from my risks here..We shall see.
 
ReaperX said:
Still rolling high on 'dem doses. good to see the progress is coming along well.
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Yeah I'm not exactly sure how I got from 1g ed to 2g+ ed ,I guess I'm hopeing everything kicks hard in a week or so...you know,really kick my ass...So far I can't feel the tren e yet,which is normal for E.but I'll switch to tren ace in a few days,then I think around week 3-4 the tren e/tren ace/test/EQ/ and Deca shortly after will all be hitting around the same time,and at these doses should be nothing short of incredible,soon as I feel the deca shutdown,I'll be switching to high dose NPP in its place,so things will move fast,basically soon as these long esters are hitting hard,I'm gonna slam some high dose short esters on top of them to move things even faster...,I feel like a ticking timebomb:toofunny:
 
Day 11:

Deca 400mg,Test E. 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters a friend gave me,Thx bro if your reading this,which is now gone....:()

All this went in traps today...3cc's in each trap,I Love to pin traps...good stuff..its like they can't get enough...;)

So day consisted of 1.97g gear

Still up all night...Ordered two large pizzas to keep me company tonight;)That should get my carbs/cals up,lol...One down...One to go.
 
getswole said:
Day 11:

Deca 400mg,Test E. 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters a friend gave me,Thx bro if your reading this,which is now gone....:()

All this went in traps today...3cc's in each trap,I Love to pin traps...good stuff..its like they can't get enough...;)

So day consisted of 1.97g gear

Still up all night...Ordered two large pizzas to keep me company tonight;)That should get my carbs/cals up,lol...One down...One to go.
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you forgot the masteron today:nono: :lol:

so is it safe to say you sit on a mound of bulk powder? Brew yourself eh?
 
getswole said:
Day 11:

Deca 400mg,Test E. 500mg,Eq 400mg,250mg Tren E.,,35mg T.Prop,35mg TrenAce,50mg NPP,Drol 200mg,Dbol 100mg(40mg of which is coming through an injectable blend of short esters a friend gave me,Thx bro if your reading this,which is now gone....:()

All this went in traps today...3cc's in each trap,I Love to pin traps...good stuff..its like they can't get enough...;)

So day consisted of 1.97g gear

Still up all night...Ordered two large pizzas to keep me company tonight;)That should get my carbs/cals up,lol...One down...One to go.
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are you pinnin your traps yourself?? how difficult is that??
 
sfearl1 said:
are you pinnin your traps yourself?? how difficult is that??
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Easy as long as its not after an arm workout(pump);)Yeah,I can manage to hit traps in 4 spots each side w/o hitting the same spot twice,I can really fill em' up...I'm tempted to have my girl start stickin' them from behind/lower..I'm a firm believer in site growth with short esters like prop/tren a/T susp...Alot of its inflamation but in the end you will get some extra site growth,I say this from experience...Plus if your gonna be using injectables anyways,you should know how to properly pin each muscle group...and know the various muscle heads within each group....even more important...
 
tripdog wants to see a pic!!!!....(i just said that in third person??)
 
Ate something the other night and it had me sick,puked the next day,just now getting over the nauseau...Obviously had to stop the orals for the last 3 days since I was puking and all,Hopefully Monday I can back on track 100%,what a bunch of BS,I swear I hate eating out,bunch of jack ass's who can't cook your meat right...Pisses me off,I was gaining really well until this bs...Fvck
 
getswole said:
Ate something the other night and it had me sick,puked the next day,just now getting over the nauseau...Obviously had to stop the orals for the last 3 days since I was puking and all,Hopefully Monday I can back on track 100%,what a bunch of BS,I swear I hate eating out,bunch of jack ass's who can't cook your meat right...Pisses me off,I was gaining really well until this bs...Fvck
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Roll with the punches. :drunk:
 
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