Enclo / PCT after 8 weeks Epiandro Solo ?

AwakeningAlpha

AwakeningAlpha

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Hey guys,
Ran 8 weeks of 900mg Epiandro from Muscle Addiction solo as an experiment in maintaining muscle mass at the end of my Retatrutide run. I typically don't run anything hormonal to maintain my healthy natural T levels but Epi doesn't seem to suppress me or others so I decided to tack it onto the end of my Reta/cut. It was a success. Kept muscle despite the deficit, leaned out a little more, pumps and performance in the gym were great, and even got rid of the persistent sensitivity and swelling in my already unrecognizable gyno. The only other thing that has done that for me is Ralox. Why would this happen with Epi? It's arguably the best result from the run as that **** is annoying even though my pea sized gyno isn't growing or anything when it is sensitive. Is it cured? haha

My plan was to run a proper PCT to be safe, but I think this may be overly cautious and potentially cause more sides than the mild Epi run and just coming off without any sort of PCT. I was going to do 4-6 weeks of enclo at 25mg daily tapering off, as well as DIM and vitamin E and a natty AI, and have ralox & tamox on hand. One week in on the enclo and all I feel is mild lethargy, and slightly improved sleep. I definitely don't feel shut down or at all suppressed, just mainly don't want the sensitivity coming back, which I think it might with the enclo. What would you guys do?
 
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I would get blood work done to see where your at first. EpiA is pretty good stuff but it still can be suppresive just usually not a total shutdown. If your not doing bloods i would run a standard PCT at 4 weeks, just enclo though and maybe ralox if the gyno flares up but it more than likely won't
 
A few years ago I would have said full PCT, but the past few years Ive seen a few bloods on 900mg with no shutdown, I'm not sure how that is, but it seems like some ppl just don't get it and some do get mild test suppression without it really messing with LH and FSH much. You could still play it safe and take 20mg nolva or 12.5 enclomphine for a few weeks. If you had healthy levels to begin with then your gonna recovery one way or another regardless.
 
Thanks @Smont and @ironviking . Levels were healthy 700+ to begin with and I'm running another full panel next week to make sure. I'm going to run the low dose enclo and DIM for a few weeks to be safe as I already have it on hand. Will report back fOr SciEnCe.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Thanks @Smont and @ironviking . Levels were healthy 700+ to begin with and I'm running another full panel next week to make sure. I'm going to run the low dose enclo and DIM for a few weeks to be safe as I already have it on hand. Will report back fOr SciEnCe.
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If you start a serm and dim now and get levels tested next week they will be skewed, not by much but the other things you're taking will definitely play a role and what your blood work number say, probably not for test or estrogen, but for LH, fsh and free testosterone. After about a week on a serm all the biochemical markers will be changing and doing there thing
 
Smont said:
If you start a serm and dim now and get levels tested next week they will be skewed, not by much but the other things you're taking will definitely play a role and what your blood work number say, probably not for test or estrogen, but for LH, fsh and free testosterone. After about a week on a serm all the biochemical markers will be changing and doing there thing
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Yeah I figured. I just know Epi isn't like test where it is in your system for a few weeks so rather than "crash" I'm going to account for the enclo influence in my bloodwork. Do you think it's worth waiting to start the PCT so I get fully accurate bloods or beginning it to appropriately time the recovery?
 
I'd wait. especially if it is just a week out. Your body won't crash out in that timeframe and you'll be able to see where other metabolic factors are at without influence of any SERM.
 
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I'd wait. especially if it is just a week out. Your body won't crash out in that timeframe and you'll be able to see where other metabolic factors are at without influence of any SERM.
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I would wait too, just because I'd want to know if I was or wasn't suppressed from it. If you're someone who's not using hormones or on trt and you find out that you can run 900 mg of epiandro with no real consequences.... That's a pretty cool tool in the toolbox
 
Agreed. @Smont @ironviking Im gunna wait till I get bloods. Thanks for the advice!

Still curious. Any idea why epi would completely rid my nip sensitivity? I'd say that's the best tool in the toolbox potential - especially if it isn't suppressive or going to result in rebound.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Agreed. @Smont @ironviking Im gunna wait till I get bloods. Thanks for the advice!

Still curious. Any idea why epi would completely rid my nip sensitivity? I'd say that's the best tool in the toolbox potential - especially if it isn't suppressive or going to result in rebound.
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Idk, I've used it a lot in the past. It didn't help me with anything related to gyno, or if did, it was overshadowed by other things because anytime I'm having issues I usually resort to AI first and raloxefene or nolva second ( I've got old gyno from test and trestolone). I've actually shrunk it pretty good on several occasions to the point where I don't even notice I have it anymore. Anywho, I used 1200+ epiandro a few times and honestly find it similar to winni. Not the strength gains but cosmetics. I love it in a TD and oral combo, but the last few transdermals I've used gave me a rash. The apex one didn't give me a rash but because I use so much lol, there's isint dosed high enough to really get me to use it. Too much lotion.

But to be fair......it's lower concentration is probably what makes it so easy on my skin. Il use that on a cruise/TRT if I'm cutting, 10-15 pumps, But I can't do 40 pumps day lol.

A while back I was digging into this epiandro suppression thing and trying to figure out why some guys seem to and some guys get suppression and some don't. The only thing I could come up with, and I'm guessing here just based off of limited reading and research, but it looks like with some people, a lot more of the drug crosses the blood-brain barrier and converts into neurosteroids well acting like a weak androgen, and then it also obviously has the ability to convert to DHT. I'd imagine the people who get more DHT conversion get more suppression and the people who get more of the neurosteroid conversion get less suppression.

You ever noticed some people talk about how good they feel on it and how high it makes their sex drive go I feel like that's the person getting a combination of the two.

Again this is me making somewhat educated guesses based off of a little bit of research / reading. Some of it can also convert into something called 3a-Androstanediol (might need to check the spelling on that, there's so many of those words that are only one or two letters different I could be way off with just a misspelling of one or two letters) but I believe it's 3a Androstanediol. Which doesn't really have an effect on muscle building or DHT, it has something to do with gaba receptors and giving you a sense of relaxation. I've never personally noticed that tho.
 
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