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EL, restore and estrogen

Canes325

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edit- my phone autocorrected SHBG to restore in the title, sorry.

Hey all!
Trying to wrap my head around a couple things hoping you guys can help out. I've been taking a couple natty test boosters to bump up free test (trib & testofen). Also taking 75mg of arimistane. The first week I felt great, maybe placebo. Increased libido, a little more aggression in the gym and a slightly more alpha feeling. Week 2 & 3 nada. Lbido back down and possibly even worse than before.

Am I correct in thinking by lowering SHBG I've increased estrogen too much (which means arimistane doesn't work, or atleast not for me) or potentially prolactin is heightened? I've also been take powerful at night with only noticeable benefit is better sleep.
I normally I wouldn't bother with trib and testofen but because I get it so cheap and am coming off an injury and just working out again I thought why not. I'm curious if my thought process might be in the ball park lol.
Thanks guys!
 
First off, Arimistane does not work as an AI and should really stop being sold as such. It can reduce cortisol and therefore lead to a drying effect that many mistake for estrogen control/lowering. It's funny that anyone that runs labs realizes this, yet those that don't will jump all over anyone that says it is a useless AI.

Second, your body will always go through homeostasis and want to regulate itself when taking any supplements that interfere or alter one hormone or the other. Hence why it is recommended to cycle Viron due to the tongkat and boron working to lower SHBG and estrogen and increasing free test. However, if you take it continually, the body can start to try and balance itself out and one unfortunate side of that is increased estrogen.

So all that being said, you are taking a number of things so it is impossible to point to one thing, but the overall message is the same. It is possible that you are estrogen sensitive and this has an effect.
 
Thanks for the reply,
I'm thinking I maybe estro sensitive right now, as I'm running unusually high BF at about 22%. Also from my understanding by lowering SHBG I'm in all likely hood increasing DHT not lowering it correct? Just trying to solve the puzzle of why my libido has dropped. I understand getting bloods will be the only way to truly know. Thanks!
 
Libido is such a tricky thing that it is rarely one thing that you could just point to. I'd stop everything and reassess.
 
Arimistane

Before
Testosterone: 13.5 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 112 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 3.3 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 1.9 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 214 mU/L, range 86-324


After
Testosterone: 16.1 nmol/L, range 8.6-29
Estradiol: 424 pmol/L, range 28-156
LH: 4.8 U/L, range 2-9
FSH: 2.2 U/L, range 2-12
Prolactin 349 mU/L, range 86-324


This is bloodwork from an AM member.
 
Canes325 said:
Wow. Do you know what dosage and time on it? What do you attribute the rise in estrogen to?
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75mg i believe.
Not sure the mechanism. There are 0 arimistane studies i know of.
Similar results in 5 other blood tests we ran.
 
brundel said:
75mg i believe. Not sure the mechanism. There are 0 arimistane studies i know of. Similar results in 5 other blood tests we ran.
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When can we expect the new SERM and AI? Especially the AI.
 
Jackedjack said:
When can we expect the new SERM and AI? Especially the AI.
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The serm looks like 14 days.
The ai will take longer. The compound is found in nature but the isolated chem is about 100000$ per 1kg so....not possible.
We found 2 sources willing to sell it for less but it tested as something else so...fake.
This means we have to make an extract.
Its already in the process of extraction and i should have a kg to test in a week to 10 days.
We will feed it to several people and then run labs on them.
If all goes as planned we could release about 3 to 5 weeks after positive labs. This taking extraction, shipping, capping, etc into consideration. So...best case 60 days. This stuff looks pretty impressive. Its gonna be worth the wait.
 
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