ECA vs ECAY stack for fat loss

[saderboy80]

I have a cycle planned that I’m looking to start here pretty soon. In the meantime I am trying to cut down some BF and “prime” my body to gain a lot of mass quickly over the 12week cycle. Definitely getting antsy to start!

Along with a low carb diet, 30min of cardio x6week and working out x6/week.

That being said I’m looking into an ECA or ECAY stack to aid in fat loss. Personally, yohimbine causes me to vomit. So I’m going to switch to alpha yohimbine (supposed to have less side effects, but the same fat burning effect) What kind of doses do you guys run alpha yohimbine at?

As far as the Ephedrine...is getting Bronkaid or it’s equivalent OTC going to help substantially? Or should I look for real ephedrine?

Not ready to mess the clen or T3.

 

[jrock645]

For me, the biggest benefit to eca and really fat burners in general is they make you not want to eat. If you’re not struggling with appetite, I don’t think eca is going to provide any real big benefit. That’s just my opinion, though.

 

[saderboy80]

For me, the biggest benefit to eca and really fat burners in general is they make you not want to eat. If you’re not struggling with appetite, I don’t think eca is going to provide any real big benefit. That’s just my opinion, though.

Do you know which component causes you to not want to eat? Since I’m in a deficit I’m usually pretty hungry throughout the day.


I’m also taking cardirine for fat burning purposes, what feels like an increase in aerobic fitness, makes heavy volume training easier and good for the lipids.

 

[jrock645]

Do you know which component causes you to not want to eat? Since I’m in a deficit I’m usually pretty hungry throughout the day.


I’m also taking cardirine for fat burning purposes, what feels like an increase in aerobic fitness, makes heavy volume training easier and good for the lipids.

general benefit of stimulants during dieting is suppression of appetite, so it’s likely the e, c and the y. They all do it to an extent.

 

[Jinsun]

Just do coke or speed

 

[Whisky]

Just do coke or speed

ah the coke diet. My early 20’s I lost a load of weight off that. I also drank like a fish and nearly killed myself but for weight loss it’s legit.

ime don’t go and play squash after a couple of lines though. One of the worst experiences of my life

 

[Jinsun]

ah the coke diet. My early 20’s I lost a load of weight off that. I also drank like a fish and nearly killed myself but for weight loss it’s legit.

ime don’t go and play squash after a couple of lines though. One of the worst experiences of my life

Heart attack?

 

[Whisky]

Heart attack?

Heart attack would have been preferable.

was something fucked up about being in a small enclosed space, heart pounding like crazy and chasing a little ball

 

[Jinsun]

being in a small enclosed space, heart pounding like crazy and chasing a little ball

Life in one sentence hehe

 

[saderboy80]

Life in one sentence hehe

For real though. Is pseudo-ephedrine worth it? Or should I look for some real ephedrine?

I’ve never used either.

 

[jrock645]

For real though. Is pseudo-ephedrine worth it? Or should I look for some real ephedrine?

I’ve never used either.

just get bronkaid

 

[saderboy80]

just get bronkaid

Thanks!

 

[Hilltern]

I’ve run both a lot. I’d drop the A or only use it a few days a week. Bronkaid or Primatene will work fine. You’re basically just getting the expectorant guaifenesin added, but I’m not aware of any side effects at the dose you’ll be taking either short term or long term.

Also, you’re right that alpha yo will have less side effects, but you also need to take less since it’s stronger. I’d start with a 1.5-2mg/day dosage on an empty stomach (I’ve personally mostly used it with food as the labels I saw said that but I’ve read yohimbe shines when in a fasted state so I suspect alpha yo does as well). If you can tolerate that I’d keep it at that for a bit and work up to 3mg. I never went over 3mg per day, but that’s just me.

 

[saderboy80]

I’ve run both a lot. I’d drop the A or only use it a few days a week. Bronkaid or Primatene will work fine. You’re basically just getting the expectorant guaifenesin added, but I’m not aware of any side effects at the dose you’ll be taking either short term or long term.

Also, you’re right that alpha yo will have less side effects, but you also need to take less since it’s stronger. I’d start with a 1.5-2mg/day dosage on an empty stomach (I’ve personally mostly used it with food as the labels I saw said that but I’ve read yohimbe shines when in a fasted state so I suspect alpha yo does as well). If you can tolerate that I’d keep it at that for a bit and work up to 3mg. I never went over 3mg per day, but that’s just me.

I appreciate the advice. I will just be taking the ECAY stack short term before I do fasted cardio. Probably alternate with the aspirin (if I even need it).

Wii definitely start lower with the alpha yohimbine since the regular makes me get very sick. It’s doses at 2mg per capsule, so will start there. Normally I have very high tolerance for side effects but not on yohimbine.

 

[Hilltern]

I appreciate the advice. I will just be taking the ECAY stack short term before I do fasted cardio. Probably alternate with the aspirin (if I even need it).

Wii definitely start lower with the alpha yohimbine since the regular makes me get very sick. It’s doses at 2mg per capsule, so will start there. Normally I have very high tolerance for side effects but not on yohimbine.

No prob. I’m the same way with the yohimbe sides. I recommend being near a toilet your first few times btw. At least for me, it gave me the runs shortly after dosing (should note that it was never “runs” but more so an immediate bowel movement similar to after drinking coffee).

 

[saderboy80]

No prob. I’m the same way with the yohimbe sides. I recommend being near a toilet your first few times btw. At least for me, it gave me the runs shortly after dosing (should note that it was never “runs” but more so an immediate bowel movement similar to after drinking coffee).

Hmm...that’s interesting! Usually with me it makes me vomit very violently and then feel hypo. Never had problems with bowel movements on the regular.

I guess we will see!

 

[Hilltern]

Hmm...that’s interesting! Usually with me it makes me vomit very violently and then feel hypo. Never had problems with bowel movements on the regular.

I guess we will see!

Yeah that’s what I got, along with anxiety, with regular but both my brother and I get quick bowel movements from it. Hope it works out for you though!

 

[saderboy80]

Yeah that’s what I got, along with anxiety, with regular but both my brother and I get quick bowel movements from it. Hope it works out for you though!

Thanks, appreciate it!

 

[StarScream66]

For real though. Is pseudo-ephedrine worth it? Or should I look for some real ephedrine?

I’ve never used either.

Pseudoephedrine, owing to it's chemical structure, it's actually pretty effective as a fat loss agent. I'm not sure if there have been any studies on it, but I've seen good anecdotal reports on it. You might have to double dose it though.

The Y is a good combination to the whole stack. No reason to not take it unless the stimulation is way too high or you have sensitiveity to yohimbine.

just get bronkaid

The problem with bronkaid is that it has Guaifenesin which is a muscle relaxant and can have some detrimental results on your fat loss goals. If possible, you can get legit ephedrine from various places. But if Bronkaid is all you can get, it should work okay.

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[saderboy80]

Pseudoephedrine, owing to it's chemical structure, it's actually pretty effective as a fat loss agent. I'm not sure if there have been any studies on it, but I've seen good anecdotal reports on it. You might have to double dose it though.

The Y is a good combination to the whole stack. No reason to not take it unless the stimulation is way too high or you have sensitiveity to yohimbine.



The problem with bronkaid is that it has Guaifenesin which is a muscle relaxant and can have some detrimental results on your fat loss goals. If possible, you can get legit ephedrine from various places. But if Bronkaid is all you can get, it should work okay.

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Damn...way to drop some knowledge bombs on this thread. Didn’t know that about guaifenesin. That’s definitely a side effect I would like to stay away from as I do cardio either right before or right after before lifting sessions (don’t have time to do 2 workouts in a day).

 

[StarScream66]

Damn...way to drop some knowledge bombs on this thread. Didn’t know that about guaifenesin. That’s definitely a side effect I would like to stay away from as I do cardio either right before or right after before lifting sessions (don’t have time to do 2 workouts in a day).

Yep. That added that in to help reduce meth production. Seems to be working great so far.

You can find legit eph in Canada and the UK and on some dark web sites though.

 

[saderboy80]

Yep. That added that in to help reduce meth production. Seems to be working great so far.

You can find legit eph in Canada and the UK and on some dark web sites though.

Thanks, I’ll definitely look into the ephedrine! My meth production is at an all time high..

Wait I umm didn’t mean...meth

 

[Hilltern]

Pseudoephedrine, owing to it's chemical structure, it's actually pretty effective as a fat loss agent. I'm not sure if there have been any studies on it, but I've seen good anecdotal reports on it. You might have to double dose it though.

The Y is a good combination to the whole stack. No reason to not take it unless the stimulation is way too high or you have sensitiveity to yohimbine.



The problem with bronkaid is that it has Guaifenesin which is a muscle relaxant and can have some detrimental results on your fat loss goals. If possible, you can get legit ephedrine from various places. But if Bronkaid is all you can get, it should work okay.

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What’s the source for it being bad for fat-loss though? Not challenging the claim, actually just curious to the science behind this.

 

[StarScream66]

What’s the source for it being bad for fat-loss though? Not challenging the claim, actually just curious to the science behind this.

I didn't feel like digging through tons of research ATM for the exact reasons, but this is the jist of it:

There is an additional ingredient in bronkaid to give the users fast and better results, known as guaifenesin. This ingredient is also found in cough medicines, and it used to balance the effect of ephedrine in the body. The only problem in the combination of epheradrine and guaifenesin is that they both present with extreme opposite behaviours. Epheradrine is the central nervous system stimulator whereas guaifenesin is known for relaxing the central nervous system. This opposite nature of both the ingredients may become too much for the user to get used to.

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[Whisky]

Yep. That added that in to help reduce meth production. Seems to be working great so far.

You can find legit eph in Canada and the UK and on some dark web sites though.

not sure about the uk bro, it’s banned here. I have to get it from Canada (or via my ugl)

 

[StarScream66]

not sure about the uk bro, it’s banned here. I have to get it from Canada (or via my ugl)

Yeah, I actually have a source in the UK for it.

 

[Whisky]

Yeah, I actually have a source in the UK for it.

might have to tap you up for that next summer bro

 

[Jinsun]

How does everybody compare the wakefulness effect between coke and ephedrine? Srsly

 

[StarScream66]

How does everybody compare the wakefulness effect between coke and ephedrine? Srsly

I don't think recreational drug discussion is allowed on this forum.

 

[Sss23]

If guafinesin is like clonidine (like I think it is) then it will be horrible for weight loss and cause weight gain, that's unfortunate. So there is no way to get E besides underground?

 

[StarScream66]

If guafinesin is like clonidine (like I think it is) then it will be horrible for weight loss and cause weight gain, that's unfortunate. So there is no way to get E besides underground?

It's not like Clonidine, it's definitely not as depressive as clonidine is, but it's just not ideal for weight loss. You can still use it and get good results, but you're not going to notice as much energy as you would if it wasn't in there.

Real true ephedrine hcl you can only get underground, but Hi-Tech has some formulas that have some ephedra extracts in them. Because Hi-Tech is basically trying to buck the FDA on everything, they just decided to include some ephedra in their formulas. Now, it's not the original mau haung like back in the day, but you're still getting ephedra from it. Products like Black Widow

INGREDIENTS / NUTRIENT FACTS
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 90

Amount Per Serving

Proprietary Blend: with Thermo-Rx and Extend -Rx Technology - 410 mg

25 mg Ephedra Extract (leaves), Senegalia Berlandieri Extract (leaves) [Yeilding 200mg Phenylethylamine Alkaloids Including: Methylsynepherine, N-Methyl-B-Phenylethylamine, N, N-Dimethylphenylethylamine, Phenylethylamine HCL] 2-Aminoisoheptane HCL (DMHA), Theobromine, Phenylethylamine HCI, Citrus Aurantium Extract (20 mg Synephrine), Green Tea Extract (leaves), Yohimbe Extract (bark), Naringen (fruit)

Caffeine (Anhydrous) - 150 mg

Hi-Tech ECA Extreme

Hi-Tech HydroxySlim - this one looks like it has the full spectrum ephedra in it

HYDROXYSLIM HI TECH PHARMACEUTICALS INGREDIENTS
Serving Size: 2 Caplets

Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving:

Proprietary Blend (1600 mg): Ephedra Extract 20mg, Guarana Extract (standardized to 200mg Caffeine), Bitter Orange (standardized to 50mg synephrine), Green Tea Extract, Garcinia Cambogia (standardized to hydroxy citric acid 50%), Acacia Rigidula Extract, Theobromine, Yohimbe Extract, Salicin Complex (Purple & White Willow Bark Extract) (standardized to 30mg Salicin) and Chromium Picolinate

There's many many more like Hi Tech MegaDrine, and a whole category of other vendors that make products with ephedra. One of my favorites by Hi Tech called Yellow Scorpion is unfortunately sold out, but any of those products would get you where you need to go.

 

[Whisky]

How does everybody compare the wakefulness effect between coke and ephedrine? Srsly

not even close imo. Eph I could sleep on, coke not a chance.

 

[Jinsun]

not even close imo. Eph I could sleep on, coke not a chance.

Ok. I thought that maybe one could be interchanged for the other.

How about ephedrine instead of caffeine?

 

[Whisky]

Ok. I thought that maybe one could be interchanged for the other.

How about ephedrine instead of caffeine?

ephedrine instead of caffeine? You combine them together bro as they work synergistically - caffeine massively increases the effectiveness of eph so I don’t see the point of dropping caffeine if taking eph?

 

[Sss23]

Not related to my original post, but what about some of these PH's hi tech has like "superdrol" looks like its just 4andro and a few other things, anybody like these, obviously it's no superdrol

 

[Jinsun]

ephedrine instead of caffeine? You combine them together bro as they work synergistically - caffeine massively increases the effectiveness of eph so I don’t see the point of dropping caffeine if taking eph?

Oh, I'm just looking for something that works better then caffeine for my chronic insomnia problems. Not looking to loose fat : ) Coke works great and if I understand correctly, a lot of coke's wakefulness effects are down to it's effect on blocking the reuptake of norepinephrine. So I'm just guessing that taking ephedrine might provide a bigger boost then just caffeine. Just guessing, have no idea.

 

[Sss23]

Oh, I'm just looking for something that works better then caffeine for my chronic insomnia problems. Not looking to loose fat : ) Coke works great and if I understand correctly, a lot of coke's wakefulness effects are down to it's effect on blocking the reuptake of norepinephrine. So I'm just guessing that taking ephedrine might provide a bigger boost then just caffeine. Just guessing, have no idea.

adderall

 

[Hilltern]

adderall

amphetamines*

 

[StarScream66]

Not related to my original post, but what about some of these PH's hi tech has like "superdrol" looks like its just 4andro and a few other things, anybody like these, obviously it's no superdrol

Some of the stuff is legit, some is not, their 1-testosterone, Equibolan and Decabolin (or whatever it's called) are legit. They are prodrug precursors - meaning they convert via one enzyme to a hormone and then via another enzyme to the active hormone.

You can read more about the 1-test (1-DHEA) and EQ 1(1,4DHEA) products here:

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[Whisky]

Oh, I'm just looking for something that works better then caffeine for my chronic insomnia problems. Not looking to loose fat : ) Coke works great and if I understand correctly, a lot of coke's wakefulness effects are down to it's effect on blocking the reuptake of norepinephrine. So I'm just guessing that taking ephedrine might provide a bigger boost then just caffeine. Just guessing, have no idea.

for chronic insomnia you want to look at modafinil bro - literally what it was designed for (specifically to assist with the daytime sleepiness that narcolepsy or insomnia sufferers get and through that mechanism improving sleep)

 

[StarScream66]

for chronic insomnia you want to look at modafinil bro - literally what it was designed for (specifically to assist with the daytime sleepiness that narcolepsy or insomnia sufferers get and through that mechanism improving sleep)

Just FYI, you can buy Adarafinil OTC as a dietary supplement. It's prodrug for modafrinil and works great. Obviously,it's a gray market supplement, but you can still get it if you want to give it a try.

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[Hilltern]

Just FYI, you can buy Adarafinil OTC as a dietary supplement. It's prodrug for modafrinil and works great. Obviously,it's a gray market supplement, but you can still get it if you want to give it a try.

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he could probably get prescribed legit modafinil if he has chronic insomnia though. Probably the best route?

 

[StarScream66]

he could probably get prescribed legit modafinil if he has chronic insomnia though. Probably the best route?

The person you mentioned should definitely see a doctor. Which poster were you talking about? OP didn't mention it, so I guess I missed it. But, I was just throwing that out there as an alternative if the poster wanted to try it first.

 

[Jinsun]

It was me.

I gave moda a shot but it makes me to irritable. And have a really hard time sleeping. Even after small dosages of 50mg's or less.

Anyway, tnx. I'll stick to shrooms for now : D

 

[StarScream66]

It was me.

I gave moda a shot but it makes me to irritable. And have a really hard time sleeping. Even after small dosages of 50mg's or less.

Anyway, tnx. I'll stick to shrooms for now : D

My psych has me on Remeron and Lithium Orotate for sleep. The Remeron really makes you gain a lot of fat though, unfortunately.

I probably wouldn't use shrooms long term (You use shrooms for sleeping???), but then again the alternatives like Ambien and whatever else isn't much better.

 

[Jinsun]

(You use shrooms for sleeping???)

Haha no. For depression, meditaton, and for the days that I'm f*cked from not sleeping; shrooms and lsd are a good upper.

 

[Jinsun]

My psych has me on Remeron and Lithium Orotate for sleep. The Remeron really makes you gain a lot of fat though, unfortunately.

I probably wouldn't use shrooms long term (You use shrooms for sleeping???), but then again the alternatives like Ambien and whatever else isn't much better.

Mirtazepine, ugh.

 

[StarScream66]

Mirtazepine, ugh.

It works good for me. But I'm in desperate need of running a cutting cycle myself. Maybe I'll go stock up on some ashwaghanda.

 

[slacker27]

What would be the Y protocol? I've used ECA in the past twice daily 25/200/baby aspirin with good results. Looking to add Y in the morning in a fasted state. I've read 5mg of Y but not sure. Currently only using ECY once in the morning as I can't sleep if I take the 2nd dose during lunch.

 

[Hyde]

What would be the Y protocol? I've used ECA in the past twice daily 25/200/baby aspirin with good results. Looking to add Y in the morning in a fasted state. I've read 5mg of Y but not sure. Currently only using ECY once in the morning as I can't sleep if I take the 2nd dose during lunch.

Just as much as you tolerate. Start with a small cap and work up to 5mg if you find you tolerate it well. Any amount will help, but if you can’t use it you can’t use it. Guys who use bigger doses like up to 20mg per day are breaking that into 3-4 servings over the day.

I can’t tolerate Yohimbine HCL or other forms, except a very small amount of Alpha Yohimbine (1-2mg). Not many companies sell that extract solo, but I think SNS does.

My wife uses a regular 2.5mg y-hcl cap just fine.