ECA stack vs Alphamine/Norcodrene

Dignitas

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PES Alphamine and Norcodrene have quite the following around here. Can anyone tell me which one is more effective for fat loss and muscle retention? Either proof or anecdotes behind a claim because I'm on the ledge deciding right now.

I might add that I would either be doing one of:

24mg E + 200mg caffeine twice/thrice daily
or
3 scoops of alphamine per day (2/1)
or
3 caps of norcodrene per day (2/1)
 
ECA will beat anything OTC in my books.

That being said, using Alphamine for your C is absurdly effective, but against recommendations
 
Thanks!

I've always wondered something about fat burners like EC and alphamine. I could not find any calorie-controlled studies on things like ephedrine or yohimbine, so maybe fat loss was just attributed to the appetite suppressing and thermogenic effects?

If you have the same NET amount of calories at the end of the day, after all the thermogenic effects, would fat loss still be greater with EC? For example, let's say there are two groups of people (assume all of their maintenance cals are the same):

1. Take EC, eat 2500 calories a day. Thermogenic effects from EC burn 250 calories by itself.

2. Eat 2250 calories a day, no EC.

All else being equal, would the EC group lose more fat?
 
Driven2lift said:
That being said, using Alphamine for your C is absurdly effective, but against recommendations
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Against recommendations from PES, but I highly recommend it. I feel that alphamine helps a lot with muscle retention and using that as the caffeine with ephedrine will yield you excellent results if your diet is in order.

Norcodrene is excellent for appetite supression, but EC is also a killer appetite supressant. So I would just use EC or E+Alphamine
 
Yes ECA burns more fat

There must be a study, there are ones with the increased thermogenic effect...
 
Since systemic Yohimbine is dangerous with EC (from what I've heard, I'm no EC specialist) I wonder if Eviscerate+EC would be a sick combo.
 
ma70 said:
Since systemic Yohimbine is dangerous with EC (from what I've heard, I'm no EC specialist) I wonder if Eviscerate+EC would be a sick combo.
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There's a few threads about eviscerate and topicals that talk about Eviscerate used in conjunction with EC. I am currently using both, and I've been seeing great results. I'm already a little below 10% body fat, so the combination has really helped get those cut dry looking abs. I highly recommend it. Oral yohimbine with EC is definitely something to be careful with, but as long as you are responsible and cautious with the dosage I don't see too much of an issue stacking them. I take 5-10mg yohimbine pre-cardio while I'm on EC some days. Work your way up on the dosage with the yohimbine, but its definitely doable haha
 
100% ec stack. Alphamine is nice don't get me wrong but you can't compare the two. The appetite suppression on ec 3 times a day is killer.

ma70 said:
One day I'm gonna try vanilla EC out. Too chicken to go to the pharmacy though.
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Just go to Walgreen's you don't even have to ask, just take the card up front. $13 for 60 tablets. Funny thing is I went to Walmart first and the guy told me it was discontinued. Must of looked like I was trying to make meth..
 
Carminb1 said:
100% ec stack. Alphamine is nice don't get me wrong but you can't compare the two. The appetite suppression on ec 3 times a day is killer.



Just go to Walgreen's you don't even have to ask, just take the card up front. $13 for 60 tablets. Funny thing is I went to Walmart first and the guy told me it was discontinued. Must of looked like I was trying to make meth..
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60 tablets of 8mg each??? If so that's insanely expensive. I just picked some up here in Canada for waaaay cheaper ;)
 
GNO said:
60 tablets of 8mg each??? If so that's insanely expensive. I just picked some up here in Canada for waaaay cheaper ;)
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If he's refering to Bronkaid, its around 10-15 bucks for 60ct.- 25mg tabs. So one box lasts around 2 weeks. Its hella cheap
 
Driven2lift said:
ECA will beat anything OTC in my books.

That being said, using Alphamine for your C is absurdly effective, but against recommendations
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Iirc I have read an old post where coop was suggesting
pre:5g leucine 200 caffiene and 25 e
Post 5g leucine
1Scoop alphamine 45 mins later

Or

Pre: 2 scoops alphamine 25e

I have a question now...


Have done the eca already. Also have done two tubs of alphamine and even have added up to 10mg of yohimbine hcl so i know thier feeling and effects.


I do a fasted jog every morning for around 25 mins.

I have been taking 1 scoop alphamine, 25 e and 81a.

Also when shift came in, i threw two caps of shift on top of that...

any thoughts on how to optimize?

Run standard eca with leucine?

Run alphamine with e?

Remove the a?

Where does shift fit into that if at all?

Etc etc. Lol
 
EMPIREMIND said:
any thoughts on how to optimize?

Run standard eca with leucine?

Run alphamine with e?

Remove the a?

Where does shift fit into that if at all?

Etc etc. Lol
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The way you have it set up now seems like a good protocol. This is what I would try if this were me.
Pre-cardio -
1 scoop alphamine
1 cap shift
25mg e
5g leucine

Post-cardio -
1 scoop alphamine
1 cap shift

and wait about an hour to eat if you could. I feel like that would really help tap into fat stores while sparing as much muscle as possible. I'm sure the reps will have better options though, this is just me thinking out loud
 
FWIW, I use Bronkaid regularly. I haven't ran an EC stack in a long, long time. I use 1 cap of Bronkaid with a pre-workout before I play basketball. Helps me tremendously with my breathing. An added bonus is the fat loss.

I've never been asked at the pharmacy when I get it; I usually just pick up 2 boxes whenever I do and that's maybe twice a year at most. But if I were asked, I'd say it's for EIA (exercise induced asthma).


BTW, like the alphamine substituted for caffeine source route, too ;)

And obviously Eviscerate in the mix at the lower body fat percentage is a winner, too.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
Iirc I have read an old post where coop was suggesting
pre:5g leucine 200 caffiene and 25 e
Post 5g leucine
1Scoop alphamine 45 mins later

Or

Pre: 2 scoops alphamine 25e

I have a question now...


Have done the eca already. Also have done two tubs of alphamine and even have added up to 10mg of yohimbine hcl so i know thier feeling and effects.


I do a fasted jog every morning for around 25 mins.

I have been taking 1 scoop alphamine, 25 e and 81a.

Also when shift came in, i threw two caps of shift on top of that...

any thoughts on how to optimize?

Run standard eca with leucine?

Run alphamine with e?

Remove the a?

Where does shift fit into that if at all?

Etc etc. Lol
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I thought Shift was not recommended with E.
 
kbayne said:
Its not -- but people have and will continue to combine them.
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I honestly didnt notice any real benefit from doing it. From my experiences i think eca should be kept as eca, no need to overcomplicate what works really well. Aside from that, I really like the shift and alphamine combo, nice appetite suppression and killer thermogenic effects, especially on fasted cardio days.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
I honestly didnt notice any real benefit from doing it. From my experiences i think eca should be kept as eca, no need to overcomplicate what works really well. Aside from that, I really like the shift and alphamine combo, nice appetite suppression and killer thermogenic effects, especially on fasted cardio days.
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I personally would pick one or the other instead of stacking them.

I love Alphamine prior to cardio or in the morning if I want/need that immediate kick in the buttocks to get going.
 
kbayne said:
I personally would pick one or the other instead of stacking them.

I love Alphamine prior to cardio or in the morning if I want/need that immediate kick in the buttocks to get going.
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If i were to pick it would hands down be alphamine.. Stuff is too good
 
kbayne said:
I personally would pick one or the other instead of stacking them.

I love Alphamine prior to cardio or in the morning if I want/need that immediate kick in the buttocks to get going.
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If i were to pick it would hands down be alphamine.. That stuff is too good
 
So I took 2 norco preworkout had a nice enhanced pump, only took those 2 fasted. Does that mean I am a responder to amento?
 
mase1 said:
So I took 2 norco preworkout had a nice enhanced pump, only took those 2 fasted. Does that mean I am a responder to amento?
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Can't say for sure but it could be. Continue to dose the same way and see if you notice the same.

Notice anything with your mood?
 
My god. Just took alphamine with shift. and i can only say, the energy is high.. More than ec. I dont know maybe is all in m.y head. I also took alphamax. 1st day :)
 
jasonc06 said:
My god. Just took alphamine with shift. and i can only say, the energy is high.. More than ec. I dont know maybe is all in m.y head. I also took alphamax. 1st day :)
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I disagree lol. Alphamine + Shift is a solid combo which I enjoyed and planned to enjoy again in the future. But it did not t give me the feels like EC.
 
jasonc06 said:
My god. Just took alphamine with shift. and i can only say, the energy is high.. More than ec. I dont know maybe is all in m.y head. I also took alphamax. 1st day :)
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Have heard this quite a bit.

Some notice more from EC rather than Alphamine while others are the exact opposite, which it sounds like you are one of those individuals.
 
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