eat more or workout less

i always make a weight gainer before i go to bed, always gave. its not a powder gainer, its my own blend of foods in a shake with 1 scoop of whey. one way u can tell about ur cns is if u ALWAYS have trouble sleeping.
 
ive had trouble sleeping since i was little thats the thing lol........... quick question, whats a good from of cardio to do if i have a leg day the next day..... sprints? plyos? steady state?
 
i like to swim when i have leg day that day or the next day. also the bike is MY next option. jump roping is my #1 cardio. burns fat much faster than jogging
 
if u are having trouble sleeping, make sure ur eating the right things before u go to bed and getting enough sleep like not going to bed at 12am and waking up at 6am. i can have a cup of coffee and go straight to sleep but i know ppl cant eat within 2 hrs of sleep. find what works for u
 
At 5'9", 125 lbs. you should probably be more worried about what the hell you're doing wrong than whether you should be EATING MORE or working out less.

The more you eat, the more nutrients your body gets. I'm not just talking calories/macro-nutrients, but also vitamins, minerals, and the like. In my opinion, eating more is always the better option when it is viable.
 
agreed. u say u eat 6 meals a day, but from your stats, it doesnt look like it. it takes me very long to put on weight. im small boned, about 5 9. when i was a freshman in highschool i weight about 100 pounds, maybe less. im 21 right now and i weigh 182. i know it isnt huge, but its good enough until next winter when i bulk. how did i get to this weight? eating and training hard, intense, short workouts with no cardio at all. from ur previous diet posted in the first page i think, u ate like 3 course meals of maybe 500 cals each. i dunnno, i didnt really look into ur diet. u need to eat more quality foods and more snacks. even more shakes will help u. make 3 a day if u want! one in morning, 1 post workout and 1 at bed. that should give u 3000 cals right there alone. u can certainly bulk with that easily
 
before bed i either have CC and PB or nuts or a casein shake with flax oil... that owuldnt screw up my sleep would it?
 
depends on how u react with those ya know? i know ppl who cant drink a shake at night cause it keeps them up. if u dont have a problem falling asleep maybe u should take some melatonin for a few weeks to get used to sleeping deeper then taper off
 
yea i was debating whether or not to get sumthign like animal pm or some other sleep supplement
 
i have always used ZMA. it makes me sleep like a baby and its also a mild test booster. alot of ppl on this site love it. its cheap as well
 
i had ZMA a while ago dont remember hwo it worked, i was always confused how to take it like take it first then a shake or food 45 min later or vice versa ya know....any input?
 
dont take it with milk. take it on an empty stomach so like the earliest is an hour after ur last meal. this is what i do
 
yest i took some ZMA then waited bout 45 min later had sum CC and PB.... seemed to work a lil..........that sound good?
 
i just want to say i really appreciate everyone's input ........

another question, what woudl your recommendations be of macros for me im 125 wanting to eventually be like 180 but 150 is good for now, with minimal fat gain..... pretty active........... what woudl u recommend?
 
Dude right now u dont need to worry too much about fat gain. Just eat and do compound lifts.

BTW how old r u? I know a high school wrestler about ur build and he is a damn rail.
 
im 20..... crazy thing is i used to be like 170 like all muscle i had magazine offers n **** i was like 5% bf captain of my football team and just started workin out way too much once college started cuz i wasnt practicing for sportsno more so i got too active...... deteriorated into nothing. So i got a good base with trianing and stuff from football and basketball and track and stuff but i jsut wanna get back to where iw as ya know
 
I would start out at 3000-3500 cals and 2x your weight in protein daily and use that as a reference point. Do that for a few weeks and see if you've gained or lost and adjust from your results. After a few adjustments, you'll find the sweet spot and know what you need to do to get it done. It'll obviously change over time too, so always keep tweaking and improving it.
 
I hope you don't take this the wrong way and I wish you the best in reaching your goals--but a word of caution. You may want to take a few minutes to think about why you seem so 'addicted' to working out. Striving to get in shape is all well and good, but addictive behaviors are no fun. . . Just be sure that your bodybuilding goals are tempered with a healthy dose of moderation.
Just my two cents. . .
 
if u were "jacked" at one point, why are you asking help on how to get back to that when u did it once already? and u dont need to be worried about macros and crap at 125. u need to be thinking about being a human garbage disposal.
 
cuz then everything was done..... my workout was all through football......... its crazy thoguh i used to do so much in hs and was still big, dunno how i lost so much weight. I would go to practice before school, workout after school then go to practice, then go to teh gym and owrkout again after practice............ now i work out once and maybe do a litttle running or sumthin
 
mkretz said:
cuz then everything was done..... my workout was all through football......... its crazy thoguh i used to do so much in hs and was still big, dunno how i lost so much weight. I would go to practice before school, workout after school then go to practice, then go to teh gym and owrkout again after practice............ now i work out once and maybe do a litttle running or sumthin
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Probably not eating enough then. I know high school football players dont exactly eat clean.
 
haha yea i think tahts it ... i eat alot cleaner now..... i used to eat like 3 pb&j sandwiches throughout the day plus a double lunch which i always had like chocolate milk to dirnk witha nd got cookies alot ........... good point, guess it dotn matter what im eatin as long as i workin out alot
 
at 125, u can eat 3 times a day at burger king if u wanted lol although im not suggesting that cause sodium intake will be crazy high. anyways, dont worry about fat gain. ur only 125 so u can afford fat gain. bulk until February then post ur results then if u want u can cut. if u do it right, u can gain a good amount of weight.
 
I notice you mentioned M&F, not knocking them, a good magazine, I owe them alot for getting me motivated and started down this path of fitness. But after the initial gains from starting out had passed their workouts really lead to just overtraining and frustration as to why you are stalled on strength even having to take plates off, Or the scale is halted at X weight.
Unless you have amazing genetics or pharmaceutical enhancements you are going to hit a wall on those programs. At 20 there is no reason for you to even consider the pharmaceutical route.
I would suggest eating more like many allready have.
And lowering your volume.
Military
Deadlift
Off
Bench
Squat
off
off
but if that is too little for you then imo you should try.
chest/triceps
back/biceps
off
shoulders/traps
Legs
off
off
but dont go crazy with hitting every angle type of ****.
do the compound moves, hit it hard but limit the volume of all sorts of different exercizes.
If you want uniformity then if say upper chest is lagging do some incline instead for a few weeks, ect.
obviously your body is not responding well to what you are doing now.
if you hoinestly feel you are eating enough then look to your training.
Lower the volume for a month or 2 and see what happens.
if you gotta be doing something then find another hobby, or join a local fb, baseball or basketball league.
Also I learned the hard way. Listen to your body.
Are you really being lazy today and need to motivate, or do you need a day off?
Have to figure this out for yourself.
But if you do the wieghts will move easier and the scale will go up as your proof you are doing it right.
 
thanks alot... yea i think it is in my training i do alot of heavy things alot of sets and work out for a long time so unless i eat a crazy amt i wotn grow...... plus itll make cutting hta tmuch harder cuz my stomach woudl be so stretched out id always be hungry lol
 
You had the mass and the background for training, to go from 170 to 125 you need to see a doctor. I went from 210 to 150 thought I was too active turned out I had diabetes. no matter how much I ate I kept losing weight. Are you pissing alot and waking up at night to piss?
 
you think??? its either normal or its not lol go 2 the doc and have him/her check for diabetes specifically
 
Go to rite aid and pick up a blood meter for $10 check yourself when you feel tired, or 2 hours after a meal your blood sugar should be at its highest. The doctor missed the diagnosis with me after several visits because he kept telling me to fast 10 hours before which made my sugar level drop to the normal range. once he caught it which happened to be with one of those quick meters he said I needed to go to the emergency room asap, I was dangerously high and could go into a coma.
 
mkretz said:
wouldnt i be able to tell thogh like after eating alot or sumthin like taht
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It gradually gets worse so you don't have real noticeable symptoms at first, mostly a tired feeling that doesn't seem to go away. I kinda got used to being extremely tired in the morning till it got to the point where I couldn't get out of bed. Are you drinking more than you normally do, and are you pissing a lot, mostly at night? See a doctor and tell him about the unexplained weight loss.
 
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