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drugs for libido

"WTF, the problem is your T level is 320. When my T level is that low I can't get it up either! When my T level is normal I can **** all night! You can go around popping all these expensive blue pills but you'll still be exhausted from low T."

I agree, mine was around 350 when I started TRT. Cialis and viargra were hit and miss then. On TRT I tend to stay around the 900 range. Things are a LOT better. Even when I tend to worry about ED, it does last long as verything seems to work just fine.
 
Its kinda funny though, everyone is unique in that respect. I know from blood tests that at levels below 100 I still performed decently sexually with no other androgens in system. I have one blood test showing total test at 19 I think it was, lh + fsh nonmeasurable (E2 was still 35) and had sex the night before the blood draw with no little blue pills.
 
EasyEJL said:
Its kinda funny though, everyone is unique in that respect. I know from blood tests that at levels below 100 I still performed decently sexually with no other androgens in system. I have one blood test showing total test at 19 I think it was, lh + fsh nonmeasurable (E2 was still 35) and had sex the night before the blood draw with no little blue pills.
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omg why did it get so low?
 
True. I think a lot of it has to do with estro and prolactin levels too. If both are low with low test you may be OK, if both are high with low test then good bye libido.
 
ah that was a combination of halodrol and star's Icon if I recall right :D crappy halodrol, it was fast action pharma. I got 0 results, but it did suppress me.
 
Thats what always worries about other test boosters, some tend raise estro. My estro is better, but my prolactin tends to run high so I take vitex to keep it down.
 
EasyEJL said:
ah that was a combination of halodrol and star's Icon if I recall right :D crappy halodrol, it was fast action pharma. I got 0 results, but it did suppress me.
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Hdrol is great on the libido though. I know this is the anti-aging forum, but I think it only works well as an anabolic at higher dosages (100mg).

I'll bet it was the hdrol that got you going that night with the mrs. If your test was that low with nothing else in your system, I don't think it'd be the same. Halodrol is fairly good on the libido and function as I recall.
 
SufferingEd said:
Thats what always worries about other test boosters, some tend raise estro. My estro is better, but my prolactin tends to run high so I take vitex to keep it down.
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Halodrol is a prohormone, and somewhat androgenic which accounts for it's positive effects on libido (and drying properties)
 
EasyEJL said:
I'm good for 3-4 a day if they are all short, but 1 long session wipes me out. by long I mean over hour. I recall one day for laughs I "supplemented" with ghb (before it was illegal) and of course was unable to get off at all, went like 3 hours, was sore close to a week after
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Since I was a kid, I've always has sexual encounters that lasted at least an hour and never shorter than that.

I could reach the "plateau" phase of arousal, and just keep it there for about an hour and a half max. I could have ejaculated at any point, but the ejaculation was always less pleasurable overall than just keeping the pleasure going for as long as possible.

I keep hearing that the average sexual encounter is 4-5 minutes, and I have to imagine that the people who masturbate multiple times per day are doing it within the 4-5 minute per session time frame.

So, is it possible that libido is exhaustible purely from doing it for longer than an hour? Is the average guy really a 4 pump chump, 5 stroke joke, etc?

I remember being absolutely bewildered that first time I heard that jerking off for an hour and a half was considered abnormal.
 
JamieVegas said:
Since I was a kid, I've always has sexual encounters that lasted at least an hour and never shorter than that.

I could reach the "plateau" phase of arousal, and just keep it there for about an hour and a half max. I could have ejaculated at any point, but the ejaculation was always less pleasurable overall than just keeping the pleasure going for as long as possible.

I keep hearing that the average sexual encounter is 4-5 minutes, and I have to imagine that the people who masturbate multiple times per day are doing it within the 4-5 minute per session time frame.

So, is it possible that libido is exhaustible purely from doing it for longer than an hour?
Is the average guy really a 4 pump chump, 5 stroke joke, etc?

I remember being absolutely bewildered that first time I heard that jerking off for an hour and a half was considered abnormal.
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No. and no.

If the libido doesn't come back for a long time after sex, then there's likely a prolactin/DOPA issue going on.
 
Gutterpump said:
Takes longer as you get older. Fairly normal. I don't think most 16 yr olds can go over an hour without levitra, etc.
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I'm not talking about taking long, though. I'm talking about being able to last. I could have finished in ten minutes if I felt like it, but I'd try to make it last as long as possible because that's what felt the best overall.

I must have had an abnormal ability, then. Although they were rare, I can remember 2 hour sessions. Basically, I could go as long as I could take it before going over the edge. Erection never faltered.

Back to the topic on hand -- I'm ordering maca puriens to see if that works. Drug-wise, I'm looking at Trazadone. It appears to be very effective for libido to the point that priaprism is a side-effect risk.
 
JamieVegas said:
Drug-wise, I'm looking at Trazadone. It appears to be very effective for libido to the point that priaprism is a side-effect risk.
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That's odd. Trazodone is a psychatropic that increases Seratonin levels. Generally, any psych medicine that increases Seratonin reduces sexual response. Here is a list of side effects.

Side Effects of Trazodone - for the Consumer
Trazodone
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Trazodone:

Blurred vision; constipation; decreased sexual desire or ability; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; headache; lightheadedness when sitting up or standing; muscle aches or pains; nausea; nervousness; stomach pain; stuffy nose; tiredness.


And yet a different site reports these side effects

SIDE EFFECTS: The most common side effects associated with trazodone are nausea, dizziness, insomnia, agitation, tiredness, dry mouth, constipation, lightheadedness, headache, low blood pressure, blurred vision, and confusion. Priapism (including clitoral priapism in women), a painful condition in which the penis (or clitoris) remains in an erect position for a prolonged period, has been reported in patients receiving trazodone. Priapism occasionally results in permanent impairment of erectile function or impotence. Patients should be warned of the possibility of priapism and told to discontinue the drug at once and consult with their physician if this reaction occurs. Trazodone also may affect ejaculation, orgasm and libido.
 
DragonRider said:
That's odd. Trazodone is a psychatropic that increases Seratonin levels. Generally, any psych medicine that increases Seratonin reduces sexual response. Here is a list of side effects.

Side Effects of Trazodone - for the Consumer
Trazodone
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Trazodone:

Blurred vision; constipation; decreased sexual desire or ability; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; headache; lightheadedness when sitting up or standing; muscle aches or pains; nausea; nervousness; stomach pain; stuffy nose; tiredness.


And yet a different site reports these side effects

SIDE EFFECTS: The most common side effects associated with trazodone are nausea, dizziness, insomnia, agitation, tiredness, dry mouth, constipation, lightheadedness, headache, low blood pressure, blurred vision, and confusion. Priapism (including clitoral priapism in women), a painful condition in which the penis (or clitoris) remains in an erect position for a prolonged period, has been reported in patients receiving trazodone. Priapism occasionally results in permanent impairment of erectile function or impotence. Patients should be warned of the possibility of priapism and told to discontinue the drug at once and consult with their physician if this reaction occurs. Trazodone also may affect ejaculation, orgasm and libido.
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I think you are right. I've seen it reported both ways.

Increased libido in three men treated with trazodone.

Sullivan G.

UCLA Center for Health Sciences, Robert Wood Johnson Clinical Scholars Program, Los Angeles 90024.
Abstract

Two sexual side effects associated with trazodone have been reported: priapism in men and increased libido in women. This report describes three depressed men who had increased libido while receiving trazodone. Possible mechanisms are suggested. Research is needed to explore trazodone's usefulness in treating disorders of sexual desire.
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They were probably just three lucky men.

Also:

Anecdotal reports of increased libido and sexual function in patients taking trazodone have led to its empirical use in patients with erectile dysfunction. A retrospective review of patientreported responses to trazodone was performed to outline the efficacy and side-effect profile of this agent.
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I'll try anything at this point. I know that NDRIs like Wellbutrin do not work for me, so I assume dopamine is not the issue.
 
Priapism isn't related to libido at all though. Jamie, you're grasping at straws, don't mess with drugs like this, they are all shots in the dark for you, and you're just experimenting now.

Wellbutrin doesn't work well for me, but dopamine is definitely a key factor in libido. There are a lot of things that are involved with dopa that could effect things, like dopamine receptor sensitivity, density, etc.

You can list all the drugs you want, but the best thing for libido is to first fix any health issues you may have, because these other things won't have much effect until you do. Libido enhancers only really work in healthy people, and even then, it's mixed. Everyone is different. Stop experimenting bro.
 
SufferingEd said:
"WTF, the problem is your T level is 320. When my T level is that low I can't get it up either! When my T level is normal I can **** all night! You can go around popping all these expensive blue pills but you'll still be exhausted from low T."

I agree, mine was around 350 when I started TRT. Cialis and viargra were hit and miss then. On TRT I tend to stay around the 900 range. Things are a LOT better. Even when I tend to worry about ED, it does last long as verything seems to work just fine.
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Thanks. The Endocrinologist prescribed testim. But told me to go off the Arimidex. The Arimidex was great but I will try anything to get this right. I just wish I didn't have to wait another 6 months to see him again.

He also gave me an extensive blood test.
 
JamieVegas said:
Most 16 year olds don't.
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JV, you little bitch, deducting rep points from me. As if I give a crap, you little tit.

When I was 14-15, I used to jerk off, 5, 6, 7 times in a row. But that still was only 20 minutes.

Nowadays, it's usually once, but I'll still do 2-3 in a row if I am pent up. 10 minutes or so.

Also, I have trazadone, 5HT-2 agonist. It will do NOTHING for libido, just help you get and keep wood, just like Viagra, etc.

Mucuna is worth a try for the men -- not you, you little tit.
 
jinxie said:
J
Mucuna is worth a try for the men -- not you, you little tit. You need therapy. And serious consideration that you may not be attracted to chicks -- i.e., sexual confusion.
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haha. Nah, bro. Just a little proper HRT like the rest of the guys around here. Especially since I'm one of the few clinically low cases. ... and "little"? Looking at your 5'9", 178 lbs frame... I'm bigger than you, mini-mouse.


To the OP -- I don't recommend this, but I've heard many people recommending Adderall (dextroamphetamine, amphetamine salts, etc) for libido. It makes erections more difficult, but allegedly it causes the libido to race.
 
JamieVegas said:
haha. Nah, bro. Just a little proper HRT like the rest of the guys around here. Especially since I'm one of the few clinically low cases. ... and "little"? Looking at your 5'9", 178 lbs frame... I'm bigger than you, mini-mouse.
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You daft gassbag, that's not how you compare size as an adult.

Post those pics, at 6'1" 155" or 175", whatever. I assure you have a lot more muscle volume than you.

Again, you are weak ninny.
 
jinxie said:
You daft gassbag, that's not how we compare as addults.

Post those 6'1" 155". I assure you have a lot more muscle volume than you.

Again, you are weak tit.
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watch out bro, he is 2 pounds lighter than you and jerks off for 6 hours a day. he is light on his feet and has super strong grip. he outjerks even the manliest of men, his libido is compared to a raging elephant.

:lmao:
 
I know many want a stronger libido, a harder/bigger penis, endless ropes like lassoo, and to that end, people enjoy posting about it. But why is it that this Vegas guy keeps on imposing the same issues that he initiated in the thread Easy shut down, and people continue to try to help him in spite of his past intransigent, truculent behavior.

GP, I owe you an email.

P.S. I just received yet another PM from this school child, who again attempted to reduce my rep. Really Jamie, seek out a doctor and therapist. We already spent a 5-page thread attempting to help you, and all you did was respond defensively and with chiding remarks. I apologize for the sexual confusion remark, but I actually didn't mean it as an insult, and thought it worthy of consideration.
 
stick75 said:
Thanks. The Endocrinologist prescribed testim. But told me to go off the Arimidex. The Arimidex was great but I will try anything to get this right. I just wish I didn't have to wait another 6 months to see him again.

He also gave me an extensive blood test.
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Awesome, I hope it works out for you. They had me on I tube a day but I needed two, so thats what I've been on the last three years.
 
AntonG42O said:
watch out bro, he is 2 pounds lighter than you and jerks off for 6 hours a day. he is light on his feet and has super strong grip. he outjerks even the manliest of men, his libido is compared to a raging elephant.

:lmao:
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DOS Equis, I love it!
 
SufferingEd said:
Awesome, I hope it works out for you. They had me on I tube a day but I needed two, so thats what I've been on the last three years.
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He put me on one 2.5mg tube a day. How long after being on two tubes a day did you notice a change? I could do a test, but this stuff is really expensive. Two tubes a day would cost me over $600 a month.

The nurse called and said my testosterone was in the 500's. The test was done a week after a testosterone shot and being on Arimidex for 2 months.But even though my T has gone from 320 to the 500's I hav'nt noticed any difference in erections or libido. Every thing else in the blood test was normal.
 
stick75 said:
He put me on one 2.5mg tube a day. How long after being on two tubes a day did you notice a change? I could do a test, but this stuff is really expensive. Two tubes a day would cost me over $600 a month.

The nurse called and said my testosterone was in the 500's. The test was done a week after a testosterone shot and being on Arimidex for 2 months.But even though my T has gone from 320 to the 500's I hav'nt noticed any difference in erections or libido. Every thing else in the blood test was normal.
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I have a similar issue. Gels can get my T into the 500 to 800 range, but this has no effect on erections or libido. Certain people around here would suggest a "therapist" at that point... back to reality, though. :lmao:

If you've tried E2 management (as I have) then I would suggest you have your doctor look into insulin resistance or thyroid abnormalities. Have you exhausted any of the medicinal recommendations for neurotransmitter imbalances?

Any knowledge of DHT level?
 
stick75 said:
He put me on one 2.5mg tube a day. How long after being on two tubes a day did you notice a change? I could do a test, but this stuff is really expensive. Two tubes a day would cost me over $600 a month.

The nurse called and said my testosterone was in the 500's. The test was done a week after a testosterone shot and being on Arimidex for 2 months.But even though my T has gone from 320 to the 500's I hav'nt noticed any difference in erections or libido. Every thing else in the blood test was normal.
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Sigh, $600 per month, that's absurd. Test Cyp 10 ml 200 mgs would last you close to 4 months, and cost around $70 retail. You can heat it up, and get it in a slin pin. 29 gauge would be best.

Don't expect to feel metamorphosed within a few weeks. Your body is adjusting. You are down regulating from lack of feedback due to external source (it knocks LH and FSH close to 0). I wouldn't bother testing for a month, and then testing at trough levels, which I guess is before applying the day of testing.

Please look into Aromasin. Adex is terrible for libids and can be equally bad for libido if you go too low. Aromasin will also raise IGF-1 and free test.
 
My DHT and thyroid were fine.He did mention something about a MRI and testicular ultrasound. He is referring me to another urologist. I can't imagine having good news at this point. If nothing was wrong with me chemically, if something wrong is found I doubt it could be fixed. I already know that an increase in testosterone doesn't help. I can wake up with a 100% erection so I know a penile operation wont help.

Yesterday I took the maximum recommended dose of Cialis and the maximum dose of Levitra. Then I injected a gel my urologist gave me into my urethra. After all this there was still no improvement. Sorry to be so graphic but this is really frustrating. In another 6 weeks I have an appointment with a urologist. He will then probably schedule and appointment 6 weeks from then for an ultrasound and then tell me to come back in 6 weeks for some other test that will reveal nothing. I know the problem is chemical or in the brain but doctors do not seem to be able to help. I am not sure what to do now.
 
stick75 said:
My DHT and thyroid were fine.He did mention something about a MRI and testicular ultrasound. He is referring me to another urologist. I can't imagine having good news at this point. If nothing was wrong with me chemically, if something wrong is found I doubt it could be fixed. I already know that an increase in testosterone doesn't help. I can wake up with a 100% erection so I know a penile operation wont help.

Yesterday I took the maximum recommended dose of Cialis and the maximum dose of Levitra. Then I injected a gel my urologist gave me into my urethra. After all this there was still no improvement. Sorry to be so graphic but this is really frustrating. In another 6 weeks I have an appointment with a urologist. He will then probably schedule and appointment 6 weeks from then for an ultrasound and then tell me to come back in 6 weeks for some other test that will reveal nothing. I know the problem is chemical or in the brain but doctors do not seem to be able to help. I am not sure what to do now.
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I had the MRI, too.

Jesus... they have you on penile injections? That won't increase libido, but it's definitely supposed to cause an unstoppable erection. If it was a gel, I'm assuming it wasn't Caverject. I believe Caverject goes in to the side of the penis with a needle.

I wish you luck, man. Your problem sounds quite like my own.
 
stick75 said:
He put me on one 2.5mg tube a day. How long after being on two tubes a day did you notice a change? I could do a test, but this stuff is really expensive. Two tubes a day would cost me over $600 a month.

The nurse called and said my testosterone was in the 500's. The test was done a week after a testosterone shot and being on Arimidex for 2 months.But even though my T has gone from 320 to the 500's I hav'nt noticed any difference in erections or libido. Every thing else in the blood test was normal.
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It's s been a few year I think it was about a month. It keeps me in the 900s though.
 
stick75 said:
My DHT and thyroid were fine.He did mention something about a MRI and testicular ultrasound. He is referring me to another urologist. I can't imagine having good news at this point. If nothing was wrong with me chemically, if something wrong is found I doubt it could be fixed. I already know that an increase in testosterone doesn't help. I can wake up with a 100% erection so I know a penile operation wont help.

Yesterday I took the maximum recommended dose of Cialis and the maximum dose of Levitra. Then I injected a gel my urologist gave me into my urethra. After all this there was still no improvement. Sorry to be so graphic but this is really frustrating. In another 6 weeks I have an appointment with a urologist. He will then probably schedule and appointment 6 weeks from then for an ultrasound and then tell me to come back in 6 weeks for some other test that will reveal nothing. I know the problem is chemical or in the brain but doctors do not seem to be able to help. I am not sure what to do now.
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whew. 30mg cialis + 30mg of levitra has me ready to hammer nails for the next 48-60 hours.
 
Damn Easy, how could you breathe after a dose like that? Welcome to congestion and headache city! I hate cialis for this. Viagara wears off so much faster, I can actually sleep after!!


stick75 > ED drugs tend not to work when E2 is out of wack, but sides would still present themselves. There is also experimental melanotan-II which is unmatched in the bedroom department when mixed with ED drugs. So my lab rats tell me.
 
The levitra isn't as bad congestion wise, and i've gotten used to and over time the side effects have worn off with cialis. I (sadly) don't really use it for need, but more for having an extra wild friday/saturday night. or sometimes a wild weeknight, which then of course kills me having the ridiculous erections thru the next 2 days
 
EasyEJL said:
The levitra isn't as bad congestion wise, and i've gotten used to and over time the side effects have worn off with cialis. I (sadly) don't really use it for need, but more for having an extra wild friday/saturday night. or sometimes a wild weeknight, which then of course kills me having the ridiculous erections thru the next 2 days
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It destroys my sleep and leaves me with an ache that nearly rivals blue balls. I can take no more than 10 mgs of Cialis by itself, and even that's a lot for me. It'd be interesting to combine this with oxytocin, which is a challenge to administer other than RX injection or IV at a hospital. You need something to get the libido in the ether for an extended period without the typical response to elevate prolactin, post ejac.
 
jinxie said:
It destroys my sleep and leaves me with an ache that nearly rivals blue balls. I can take no more than 10 mgs of Cialis by itself, and even that's a lot for me. It'd be interesting to combine this with oxytocin, which is a challenge to administer other than RX injection or IV at a hospital. You need something to get the libido in the ether for an extended period without the typical response to elevate prolactin, post ejac.
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I've tried sublingual oxytocin, from practical experience the problem is that it totally ruins refractory period.
 
EasyEJL said:
I've tried sublingual oxytocin, from practical experience the problem is that it totally ruins refractory period.
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I know men produce it post coitally, according to theory, but I thought it was more the prolactin. It makes sense -- keep us in bliss and close to the nest. But I thought it could bring a sense of euphoria and closeness akin to MDMA, that, with help, could kick of the libido.

I didnt think it was effective sublingually. What did it do for you, other than tame you?
 
jinxie said:
I know men produce it post coitally, according to theory, but I thought it was more the prolactin. It makes sense -- keep us in bliss and close to the nest. But I thought it could bring a sense of euphoria and closeness akin to MDMA, that, with help, could kick of the libido.

I didnt think it was effective sublingually. What did it do for you, other than tame you?
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felt good, warm fuzzies, not nearly like mmda though. that and it took like 45-60 minutes before I could get hard again.
 
Gutterpump said:
Damn Easy, how could you breathe after a dose like that? Welcome to congestion and headache city! I hate cialis for this. Viagara wears off so much faster, I can actually sleep after!!


stick75 > ED drugs tend not to work when E2 is out of wack, but sides would still present themselves. There is also experimental melanotan-II which is unmatched in the bedroom department when mixed with ED drugs. So my lab rats tell me.
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Thanks, I have looked for a reliable source for this drug but could not find one. I am pretty sure my doctor won't prescribe me any since it's experimental.
 
EasyEJL said:
felt good, warm fuzzies, not nearly like mmda though. that and it took like 45-60 minutes before I could get hard again.
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Is 45 minutes really a long refractory period. It always lasted about 12 hours for me, even when I was a teenager. It seems like if I am this messed up it should be very easy to figure out what is wrong with me. I never abused any drugs. I go for the MRI next week. I find it funny that I hope that they find a pituitary tumor. Even if it were life threatening. Not knowing just really sucks.
 
stick75 said:
Is 45 minutes really a long refractory period. It always lasted about 12 hours for me, even when I was a teenager. It seems like if I am this messed up it should be very easy to figure out what is wrong with me. I never abused any drugs. I go for the MRI next week. I find it funny that I hope that they find a pituitary tumor. Even if it were life threatening. Not knowing just really sucks.
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I always took a long time even as a teenager also. I understand your morbid need to find a cause even if it is a tumor, but I also had to have an MRI when I started this journey many years ago. First, even if there is a tumor, statistically they are usually tiny and benign. Second, if you are like me, they will find nothing and you will end up back at square one trying to find a cause.
 
DragonRider said:
I always took a long time even as a teenager also. I understand your morbid need to find a cause even if it is a tumor, but I also had to have an MRI when I started this journey many years ago. First, even if there is a tumor, statistically they are usually tiny and benign. Second, if you are like me, they will find nothing and you will end up back at square one trying to find a cause.
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Stick, there is a long thread brainstorming a bunch of this with Jamie Vegas. You guys suffer from a remarkably similar problem. He gets bowled over for day from a load. You have a 12-hour refractory period. If TRT doesn't work, this isn't the kind of thing that just gets solved with a silver bullet. As I said to him, some CBT could be very helpful, even if it's focused on better tolerating your condition, rather than actively battling it. You can attempt to resolve, without being in battle and being consumed by it.

I hope you find some fresh air. Tough stuff.
 
EasyEJL said:
well, without it, I can usually get back up in 10-15 :)
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actually I should say without it I can get back up in 10-15 minutes after the first time, then 30-40 after the second + third. With oxytocin, I never reached a third time
 
jinxie said:
As I said to him, some CBT could be very helpful, even if it's focused on better tolerating your condition, rather than actively battling it. You can attempt to resolve, without being in battle and being consumed by it.

I hope you find some fresh air. Tough stuff.
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I missed something or my brain isn't registering right now. CBT???
 
yo if this pus$y Jamie Vegas negs me one more time, im gonna go to Vegas find him and choke him out. what are you doing online anyway, dont you have hours of jerking off to get done? if you disagree with my post, write a reply.
 
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