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Down With the Crown M-DROL Log

I have seen a few who use a serm only for the reral thing cause howmones will balance themselves out and serms will jumpstart your hpta faster than any OTC so they say.I have been debating doing this.Maybe run a AI low dosed starting the last week before nolva is over just to get rid of any excess estrogen that may still be lingering.I'm not sure though......I have seen serm only PCT's used religiously by some before I joined this site while reading others,and afterwards on here.
 
Craig, This is what I would do (what I have done):
Start the AI at the begining of week 3 and taper it up to max dosage and then back down for the last two weeks make your total pct time 6 weeks.......cool?
 
BlackSheep said:
Craig, This is what I would do (what I have done):
Start the AI at the begining of week 3 and taper it up to max dosage and then back down for the last two weeks make your total pct time 6 weeks.......cool?
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yeah, along the same lines as my thought, thanks for the help dude, much appreciated :)

Same goes for you thundergod :)
 
Craigmatthew said:
yeah, along the same lines as my thought, thanks for the help dude, much appreciated :)

Same goes for you thundergod :)
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No problem brother. This makes the most secne IMO. After the two week mark is when your hormones start to come back (estro) so it just seems like the best route. Plus this is what I have been advised to do by many who really know their sht!:hammer: and It has worked for me in the past.....:clap2:
 
Day 5

Chest, biceps, somewhat lengthy workout. Started with incline db presses 6 sets x 7-15 reps. Incline flyes 3x12, machine "front presses?" 4x12.
Biceps sitting db curls 5 x 6 - 8, straight bar curls 3x9 (from close to regular to wide grip) preacher db curls 4x9-12, lightweight hammer curls 2x10 (was fried/too pumped!)

bassgod272 said:
keep up da good work Crown!! you will fvckin LOVE your bicep session tomorrow! :hammer: get ready for some SICKKKK pumps! :dance:
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Ineed I did! It was a beautiful pump today! Also, to quote TG... "The veinage was cool as fokk!" lol

As for sides, I'm gonna have to start to give some credit to mdrol for lethargy issues. SOME credit. I was literally bobbing my head at work every now and then to keep from falling asleep all day long. Felt pretty lethargic. But like I said... SOME credit. Can't rule out though that I have been training overly long and intense to trying to take advantage, and the fact that my feet and legs are way too tired and have developed blisters with pus from the steel toes and from being on foot all day long. Went and got new boots today... Other than that, no other sides to report.

ON ANOTEHR NOTE..
Ever since my bench phase days ended I've stopped benching or going too heavy, limited my exercises and intensity... my chest was always too heavy and looked out of place with the rest of me. So, I guess I've been doing that for TOO long and I'm paying the price. I've lost a LOT of strength... My chest is the WEAKEST body part now, in terms of strength that is. Can you believe my heaviest set today was db incline presses with the 75's struggling on the 6 or 7th rep? I'm ashamed, my pectoral strength does not justify its size. I'll start a (upper) chest strengthening program some day soon, not whilst on this cycle, though. Biceps on the other hand is another story, Did the db curls with the 55's for 8 reps twice... usually that is my last set and can only manage to juice out 5 or 6 reps once.
 
Forgot to add the ab workout... simple 6 sets crunches little rest between first set was 50 last set about 20 then to 3 sets leg raises 15 reps each.
 
BlackSheep said:
Craig, This is what I would do (what I have done):
Start the AI at the begining of week 3 and taper it up to max dosage and then back down for the last two weeks make your total pct time 6 weeks.......cool?
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I personally see no point in tapering up.Tapering down is a must,but whats the point in tapering up?I just don't get it.I always use max dose and then start to slowly decrease for the last two weeks or so.Sometimes less,but I feel invincible when it comes to gyno.I should have it........(I hope like hell I didn't just jinx myself for my upcomming havoc cycle)
 
pantera101 said:
I personally see no point in tapering up.Tapering down is a must,but whats the point in tapering up?I just don't get it.I always use max dose and then start to slowly decrease for the last two weeks or so.Sometimes less,but I feel invincible when it comes to gyno.I should have it........(I hope like hell I didn't just jinx myself for my upcomming havoc cycle)
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because having your serm and AI both at max doses would push estro too low and actually be counterproductive. suppressing it for a month while your on cycle, then immediately starting a serm and AI at the same time right afterward, wouldn't give your body a chance to start increasing it's estro levels naturally. estro is important in the recovery process, you just need to control it though, not irradicate it.
 
bassgod272 said:
because having your serm and AI both at max doses would push estro too low and actually be counterproductive. suppressing it for a month while your on cycle, then immediately starting a serm and AI at the same time right afterward, wouldn't give your body a chance to start increasing it's estro levels naturally. estro is important in the recovery process, you just need to control it though, not irradicate it.
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Yea.........um that's what I was going to say.
O' and yea this is one of the guys that knew (knows) his sht that advised me to run it that way Craig just FYI.....
You still da man bass:hammer:
 
bassgod272 said:
because having your serm and AI both at max doses would push estro too low and actually be counterproductive. suppressing it for a month while your on cycle, then immediately starting a serm and AI at the same time right afterward, wouldn't give your body a chance to start increasing it's estro levels naturally. estro is important in the recovery process, you just need to control it though, not irradicate it.
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I thought serms only kept estrogen from causing side affects and did nothing to the levels of estrogen?
I'm strongly considering doing nolva and then running what left over restore I have at low doses starting shortly before I'm done with nolva.Only because I have it though.I would like to try out a serm only PCT.I have seen them,but nevber paid attention to them.Do you know anything about serm oly PCT's bass?I'll research them.I'm starting with you though!
 
pantera101 said:
I thought serms only kept estrogen from causing side affects and did nothing to the levels of estrogen?
I'm strongly considering doing nolva and then running what left over restore I have at low doses starting shortly before I'm done with nolva.Only because I have it though.I would like to try out a serm only PCT.I have seen them,but nevber paid attention to them.Do you know anything about serm oly PCT's bass?I'll research them.I'm starting with you though!
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serms do decrease serum estro levels, just not to the extent of a potent AI. they do however significantly decrease estro in breast tissue, which is why they are great to fend off gyno. a person's PCT setup really depends on many factors because everyone's body, cycle, cycle history, etc are different. it's hard to just say "oh yea, run your serm and taper the AI dose down inversely to it." some don't even need an AI, shyt some don't even need a serm. too many people are thinking that they(serm's) are what kickstart the HPTA, well they're not. i mean they do help, but not as much as everyone thinks. clomid is the only one that really really helps a lot. raloxifene is second, torem 3rd, and tamox last.

a serm only PCT is no different than a serm + AI PCT. dose depends on which one you choose to use, but start high and taper the dose down for 3 weeks afterward(this will vary depending on your cycle.) IMO the simpler, the better. a serm only PCT will work just fine for Havoc. if you wanna use the rest of the restore, go for it. if not, that'll be fine as well. you just for sure want some sort of natty test booster to give your body a little extra push in it's natty T production process.
 
bassgod272 said:
serms do decrease serum estro levels, just not to the extent of a potent AI. they do however significantly decrease estro in breast tissue, which is why they are great to fend off gyno. a person's PCT setup really depends on many factors because everyone's body, cycle, cycle history, etc are different. it's hard to just say "oh yea, run your serm and taper the AI dose down inversely to it." some don't even need an AI, shyt some don't even need a serm. too many people are thinking that they(serm's) are what kickstart the HPTA, well they're not. i mean they do help, but not as much as everyone thinks. clomid is the only one that really really helps a lot. raloxifene is second, torem 3rd, and tamox last.

a serm only PCT is no different than a serm + AI PCT. dose depends on which one you choose to use, but start high and taper the dose down for 3 weeks afterward(this will vary depending on your cycle.) IMO the simpler, the better. a serm only PCT will work just fine for Havoc. if you wanna use the rest of the restore, go for it. if not, that'll be fine as well. you just for sure want some sort of natty test booster to give your body a little extra push in it's natty T production process.
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I thought serms affected the estrogen receptors.By binding to them or whatever.I always heard they just keep the estrogen from doing it's thing.I could of been told wrong obvisouly,but I have heard that so many times.I have also heard they are great at jumpstarting your hpta.A guy on here told me that I didn't even need the drive for my last m drol cycle,that nolva was fine.I asked questions and he said he and friends use serms only and recover just fine.......IDK man!I'll probably end up throwing something in.Maybe mass fx with the nolva.I've never used that one.
 
pantera101 said:
I thought serms affected the estrogen receptors.By binding to them or whatever.I always heard they just keep the estrogen from doing it's thing.I could of been told wrong obvisouly,but I have heard that so many times.I have also heard they are great at jumpstarting your hpta.A guy on here told me that I didn't even need the drive for my last m drol cycle,that nolva was fine.I asked questions and he said he and friends use serms only and recover just fine.......IDK man!I'll probably end up throwing something in.Maybe mass fx with the nolva.I've never used that one.
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yea, that's what i meant, but worded it wrong because a certain substance is in my system that i cannot mention openly, lol. they do not allow the estro to bind to the receptors. yea serms ARE fine by themselves, but why not use something else that would get you recovered sooner? serms really do not help your HPTA as much as people think. TIME does this. if you're not gyno prone and do not run an overly suppressive cycle, you can use NOTHING as a PCT and be recovered in a couple months. clomid and raloxifene really do help jumpstart the HPTA quite nicely, torem is decent, and tamox is the worst. people just think that serms are THE thing that does it and without one, you will not recover. this is false. for your havoc cycle, tamox by itself would be just fine. mass fx did nothng for me btw, but others love it, so i dunno. try some cissus-drol and log it!! i wanna try it but don't want to waste more $ on something if it doesn't work, lol.
 
bassgod272 said:
. try some cissus-drol and log it!! i wanna try it but don't want to waste more $ on something if it doesn't work, lol.
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I'm in the same boat!I'm happy I can afford the DC dvd.I was going to order it tonight,but I will be out of this aprtment no later than the 30th.So it needs to be sent to my next adress.I'm not positive on when I will be able to move in.She(land lord) told me hopefully before the first,but I haven't talked to her lately cause she won't know how much work the house needs till she see's it.If it's after the 30th,I have to stay with my parents........Hopefully I can order it and send it over tomorow.
 
pantera101 said:
I'm in the same boat!I'm happy I can afford the DC dvd.I was going to order it tonight,but I will be out of this aprtment no later than the 30th.So it needs to be sent to my next adress.I'm not positive on when I will be able to move in.She(land lord) told me hopefully before the first,but I haven't talked to her lately cause she won't know how much work the house needs till she see's it.If it's after the 30th,I have to stay with my parents........Hopefully I can order it and send it over tomorow.
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Oh yea... I've actually been meaning to congratulate you on the apartment deal pantera. First read about it over at the Blitz-Krieg log... Congrats bro :cheers:
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Oh yea... I've actually been meaning to congratulate you on the apartment deal pantera. First read about it over at the Blitz-Krieg log... Congrats bro :cheers:
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Thanks man.I'm so happy to be out of an apartment and into a house.I still haven't heard for sure when I can move in...........I've been calling her today and she hasn't answered and her voicemail is full so I can't leave a message.
 
Day 6

Legs. Started 5 sets of 15 on leg exts. Moved to at least 8 sets of squats (lost track). Leg presseses 5x30 , used same weight for 3 sets of "calf presses" x 40. 5x15 of leg curls, 4x25 calf machine (cable), 3x45 sitting calf raises. Ended with 6 mins real cardio this time... ha.

Broke 3 PB's today.. which def. made my day. First one was with the leg exts. I was on the 4th set when I decided to use almost the entire stack (cable) only 3 plates left for a challenge... did 15 of those and thought, this isnt too bad. So next set I did the whole stack for 12 good ones.
Next was on the main course of squats. On the 4th set I used 315x12 which is 2 more reps than I usually do... and that is usually my last/heaviest set. Today I upped that weight to 345 and cranked out 10 rock bottom good ones as always ;) as an "extra" set. I felt unstoppable and decided to do 3 more sets with 225x10-12.
The third PB was on the calf machine I used the whole stack for 2 sets of 25 as my last.

Despite my lethargicness throughout the day, I didn't feel tired ONCE when I was training, in fact I had way too much energy. I ended the workout with 6 mins of cardio at 6.5 speed as a cherry on top... . I felt my ehart was going to explode. I felt I looked like a funny running on the treadmill with my legs so heavy running odd.

Sides: Other than lethargy, nothing to report.

As for the good stuff... Vascularity def has increased especially on my forearms. I've always had those veins, but now, they get VERY thick when I'm at work or working out. The ones on my biceps and calves have also gotten more pronounced. Today I flexed, and noticed some thick veins coming from my neck down to my upper pecs. I usually get those only when I'm doing HIT cardio every day when trying to get cut.
Shoulders and traps are also noticeably thicker. I like the way my rear delts are coming out, and next to the traps they look their best when viewed from teh side now.

Overall I'm very happy with my results thus far. Not bad for only 10mg a day. I am convinced mdrol is the real deal. It is by far THE BEST anabolic I've ever tried. These kind of results usually happened on the 3rd week of sus500, and h drol dind't even come close on the 4 1/2 weeks I ran it.

The way things are going, I don't see the need to up the dose at all or add an extra week to this cycle. Hell, I feel confident enough to say that if I quit the cycle now, I'll still be very satisfied!
 
It's sounding very much like my last cycle so far...........

I started another in the cycle info section "Pantera's vulgar display of power!!!"
 
Oh yes... actually weighed in today at 192. I think this needs some explanation though. At my beginning post, I stated I was maintaining 193, I think. I posted that on Either thursday or Friday. However, that was an older measurement. On Saturday I weighed and checked in at 184, but I didn't mention it. Sorry, I dropped the ball. So I guess thus far, its about am 8 lb increase. I'll credit at least 5 to the dro so far, since I did up my carbs just for the drol. But it's all good, I'm actually looking leaner so it can't be bad weight.
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Oh yes... actually weighed in today at 192. I think this needs some explanation though. At my beginning post, I stated I was maintaining 193, I think. I posted that on Either thursday or Friday. However, that was an older measurement. On Saturday I weighed and checked in at 184, but I didn't mention it. Sorry, I dropped the ball. So I guess thus far, its about am 8 lb increase. I'll credit at least 5 to the dro so far, since I did up my carbs just for the drol. But it's all good, I'm actually looking leaner so it can't be bad weight.
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I gained rapidly as well on m drol.Most likely some of it is extra glycogen being stored in the muscles due to the SD.
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Oh yes... actually weighed in today at 192. I think this needs some explanation though. At my beginning post, I stated I was maintaining 193, I think. I posted that on Either thursday or Friday. However, that was an older measurement. On Saturday I weighed and checked in at 184, but I didn't mention it. Sorry, I dropped the ball. So I guess thus far, its about am 8 lb increase. I'll credit at least 5 to the dro so far, since I did up my carbs just for the drol. But it's all good, I'm actually looking leaner so it can't be bad weight.
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Fcukin-A brotha!!! That's it I'm starting my preload this Monday.....
Hope you can put on an easy 10lbs and keep 7-8 after all is said and done that would be pretty d@mn good for a 14day run IMO. (actually those are my goals but still that sounds good no??)
 
BlackSheep said:
Fcukin-A brotha!!! That's it I'm starting my preload this Monday.....
Hope you can put on an easy 10lbs and keep 7-8 after all is said and done that would be pretty d@mn good for a 14day run IMO. (actually those are my goals but still that sounds good no??)
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Just give it your all and take what you get!!!Whens the cycle start BS?
 
bassgod272 said:
yea, that's what i meant, but worded it wrong because a certain substance is in my system that i cannot mention openly, lol. they do not allow the estro to bind to the receptors. yea serms ARE fine by themselves, but why not use something else that would get you recovered sooner? serms really do not help your HPTA as much as people think. TIME does this. if you're not gyno prone and do not run an overly suppressive cycle, you can use NOTHING as a PCT and be recovered in a couple months. clomid and raloxifene really do help jumpstart the HPTA quite nicely, torem is decent, and tamox is the worst. people just think that serms are THE thing that does it and without one, you will not recover. this is false. for your havoc cycle, tamox by itself would be just fine. mass fx did nothng for me btw, but others love it, so i dunno. try some cissus-drol and log it!! i wanna try it but don't want to waste more $ on something if it doesn't work, lol.
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I have used a serm only in cycles and have came back fine. I agree with bass on the point of why not use something to bring the test levels back up.In my experience it helps me alot with various aspects(mood,lethargy,sex drive)to use a test booster when a serm is used. imo
 
Day 7

Ahhh, rest day... orrrrr was it? ;) Went and did 20 mns of cardio on the eliptical and 5 on the treadmill and some ab work... just for fun.

No sides to report.

On another note... Last night I decided to treat myself like a king as a reward for my hard work on the past week. The lady friend and I went to the local Applebees and I ordered the House Sirloin medium rare. Yum! :food: I wanted to keep it as clean as possible, but I ended up taking in a cheat meal IMO. They got my order wrong, instead of steamed veggies, they got me a shitload of mashed potatoes with bacon I think it was. I didn't complain, because I'm not like that plus I was VERY hungry and just dived in. Also, the lady friend decided not to finish her buffalo wings so I ate that sh1t up as well. :) I thought I would wake up puffy like I always do after a binge night... but I was fine!
 
Quick question:

My oryginal plan was to start using E-Form 3 sprays on the evenings on the second week on cycle. The Vitex and P5P was also a plan to dose throughout, but Bassgod talked me out of it. Now I'm also debating whether or not I should start on the E-Form... or should I save it for PCT... or not use it at all... What do you guys think?
 
Nows the time to cheat IMO.I just finished a cheddar n beef,and a grilled chicken,swiss,and bacon sandwich!I'll have a straight protien shake and go to bed here shortly.
 
That sounds delicious! You know just today I went grocery shopping and decided to buy some fat free cheese to start adding to my meals, especially steaks as well! STEAK AND CHEESE! that used to be a good site.
 
I'm going to have to buy some of that as well.I will be getting a grill and many burgers along with other meats will be cooked on a regular basis.I have always loved huge grilled burgers.
Theirs this thing in my family thats realy good.It's macoronni eggs and hot dogs.It's breakfast food but it's good all day.I got away from it due to it not being nutritous.I'm going to start making it again with egg whites,lots of egg whites,and then all beef kosher hot dogs.I know this sounds nasty but it's so good!I don't like eating early in the morning,but I can easily eat this first thing!
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Quick question:

My oryginal plan was to start using E-Form 3 sprays on the evenings on the second week on cycle. The Vitex and P5P was also a plan to dose throughout, but Bassgod talked me out of it. Now I'm also debating whether or not I should start on the E-Form... or should I save it for PCT... or not use it at all... What do you guys think?
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Trust me on this one. This is something I know about. Don't use the E-Form during your PCT. It converts to 4-hydroxy-testosterone and is suppressive. It is great while on-cycle however. So go ahead and start using it on the second week like you planned. It's great stuff to use on-cycle, as it lowers estrogen, boosts free test, inhibits SHBG, and raises IGF production. Great stuff!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
 
I 'd have to agree with TG on that one there Crown.....That or don't use it at all IMO.....SD "supposedly" lowers estro already so it might be to suppressive, especially for such a short cycle......probably wont need it.
Like TG said though it is suppressive (he would know I think he uses it on his corn flakes) so def don't use it for PCT.
 
grrr I really want to use it to help me that much more................. but another part of me says thus far, I don't really need it AND its very hard to come by nowadays, IF you still can that is. I don't think I will though for that reason. Probably end up saving it for a longer cycle down the road
 
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grrr I really want to use it to help me that much more................. but another part of me says thus far, I don't really need it AND its very hard to come by nowadays, IF you still can that is. I don't think I will though for that reason. Probably end up saving it for a longer cycle down the road
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Good choice. Save it for the real deal or phera or something more along those lines. You'll be glad to have it later on.....
 
I just need to get this off my chest! This is a big deal for me and I want the world to know! lol

Today marks Day 8 of being smoke free for me! I made it a point to stay clear of nic for this cycle. The temptations are killer, though. Friday night when I went out was hell! But I managed. I really hope I pull it off at least till next Saturday!
 
CrownOfHorns said:
I just need to get this off my chest! This is a big deal for me and I want the world to know! lol

Today marks Day 8 of being smoke free for me! I made it a point to stay clear of nic for this cycle. The temptations are killer, though. Friday night when I went out was hell! But I managed. I really hope I pull it off at least till next Saturday!
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Haha, nice bro. I smoked for over 10years and kicked it cold fcuking turkey about 2 years ago!! And I'll tell you what the cravings NEVER go away!! I still get them constantly! There's better things to smoke than that sht though IMO:afro:
 
Not really man. I am keeping a VERY close eye on that though! I did feel an itch... and some weird sensation on both of them a few times this past week, not everyday though. But that also happens when I'm not on anything and just plain natural. I don't think anything of it. It could be my mind playing with me since I am constantly thinking about it.

Now my chest... I guess... got somewhat pumped or whatever that I think they are a liittle less noticeable. So that's good.

Will let you know if anything else. *crosses fingers*
 
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Not really man. I am keeping a VERY close eye on that though! I did feel an itch... and some weird sensation on both of them a few times this past week, not everyday though. But that also happens when I'm not on anything and just plain natural. I don't think anything of it. It could be my mind playing with me since I am constantly thinking about it.

Now my chest... I guess... got somewhat pumped or whatever that I think they are a liittle less noticeable. So that's good.

Will let you know if anything else. *crosses fingers*
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Cool bro. I think the gyno caused by these ph's/Designers are more prolactin induced than anything so I'd keep that Vitex/p-5-p handy just in case... I'm starting the preload for my Mimic of this cycle tomorrow so good to see all is well with you!! Keep it up bro :clap2:
 
Yep. Got that vitex/p5p brand new bottles on the bed rest!

Thanks man. I'm sure you're gonna love it if you've never taken drol before. I'll def. be subbed to that one!

Just drank a monster shake with almost a cup of oats in it along with the drol about an hr ago. About to go cook a mean steak and take that with brown rice. All them carbs and drol in my system, plus yesterday being an off day and no work... I must be LOCKED AND LOADED! I can't wait to go workout my back in a little while! :aargh:
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Yep. Got that vitex/p5p brand new bottles on the bed rest!

Thanks man. I'm sure you're gonna love it if you've never taken drol before. I'll def. be subbed to that one!

Just drank a monster shake with almost a cup of oats in it along with the drol about an hr ago. About to go cook a mean steak and take that with brown rice. All them carbs and drol in my system, plus yesterday being an off day and no work... I must be LOCKED AND LOADED! I can't wait to go workout my back in a little while! :aargh:
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KILL THE FVCKIN IRON BRO!!!!
 
Day 8

Alright, so I missed my log day for Sunday. But here it is

Started 4 sets pulldowns. Could not do deads, quads were too sore to do them properly. Opted with about 8 sets of "T-bar like rows" except done with the barbell and weights on one end and a db on the other to hold it down. Then 5 sets of one arm db rows supersetted the last 2 with a lighter weight. Then went for 4 slow arsed sets of... damn, I don't know what they're called. The one machine you sit on, place your chest against a pad, and reach out to some handles and pull towards you.
I need triceps, decided to throw in 3 sets of close grip bench presses supersetted with db "overhead tricep exts." (I had to look the name up). After was 4 sets seated cable rows followed by 3 half assed close grip lat pull downs.

For traps I did 6 sets of db shrugs increasing weight every set.
 
Day 9

Cardio day. 20 mins elliptical 10 treadmill.

Ab and calf work.

Lethargy wasn't there. Maybe because it was a slow day today... who knows, but that's great either way.

Today at the gym while doing cardio, I felt that sensation on my nips I mentioned a few posts back. I feel it every other day evven when I wasn't on drol. Today though, it happened a few times more than normal. The sensation is like a pulse that "hurts" on both my nips. They don't hurt to the touch or anything, only when the pulse happens. Still, there are no changes that I can see yet, so I'm not alarmed.

On another note, I noticed my forearms got a little thicker with thicker vasc. Could be yesterdays long arsed back workout.. good stuff.
 
CrownOfHorns said:
Day 8

Then went for 4 slow arsed sets of... damn, I don't know what they're called. The one machine you sit on, place your chest against a pad, and reach out to some handles and pull towards you.
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haha.....LMAO bro......your looking fo da "Machine row" lol.....
I fcuking love that machine man!!!
That's weird to me that your quads were still that sore. On my epi cycle my recovery was literally over night even on PR's and sht. I could have done the same workout the next day. What's your cal intake look like # wise? Rough estimate......
 
BlackSheep said:
haha.....LMAO bro......your looking fo da "Machine row" lol.....
I fcuking love that machine man!!!
That's weird to me that your quads were still that sore. On my epi cycle my recovery was literally over night even on PR's and sht. I could have done the same workout the next day. What's your cal intake look like # wise? Rough estimate......
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Geez... man IDK.
But here's my everyday meal breakdown, you be the judge. I'm not too good with macros.

Meal 1: 3 egg whites, 1 cup oats, 1/4 cup honey bunches of oats serial
(I know, bad meal. I'm always in a rush)
Meal 2: Shake; 2 scoops whey, 2 tbsp natty pb, 1/2 cup oats

Meal 3: Lunch. Chicken breast half with brown rice

Meal 4:about a 6 oz steak with brown rice

Meal 5: protein bar (prior to w/o)

Meal 6: shake (same as meal 2)

Meal 7: a tuna with brown rice

Meal 8: same as meal 4

If this helps any.
 
I think this is a clean diet... my training and cardio and work... I oughta be losing weight. But really, I can gain fat if I skimp once with the cardio. ATM I don't worry too much because the drol pretty much uses the carbs up. My metabolism blows
 
Well that's not bad IMO.....BUT
Right off the top you need to change meal one to include a fast acting protein like whey or Iso. Also first thing in the morning is the one time of day you can get away with eating some fast acting carbs (sugar, fructose ext)

Also right before bed you need to eat some slow digesting protein sources like milk, cheese, or my favorite cottage cheese! And I know you can't be eating that same sht everyday (I actually have no idea WTF you do so...lol) it's OK to cheat a bit on this type of sht especially the carbs right now....
And the second thing (your probably already doing this but) you need some quick carbs after your wo, sugar, Gatorade, white bread, a bagle or my Favorite again Honey...whatever but try to hit 40-60gms minimum IMO. for size gains.
 
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