Double peak

Joshinator

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Hello all. Hope you’re all having a wonderful day. I need some of your wisdom.

I’ve got a buddy who’s wanting to run a cycle, he has two peaks to prepare for. The first peak is in 11 weeks, the second peak is in 16 weeks (5 weeks after first).

Peak number 1 they can be as heavy as a 200. For peak number two, they need to hit 175 (with a water cut). Currently

1-4 goal: strong as possible, with body weight staying under 200lb

Test 500
Npp 400
DHB 300

4-8 goal: strong as possible, with body weight staying under 200lbs

Test 500
npp 500
DHB 400



8-11 goal: strong as possible, with body weight staying under 200lbs

Test 750
NPP 600?
DHB 400


12-16 Goal: cut to 175 by may (with water cut) and keep or gain strength

Test 750
Npp switch to tren ace?
Tren ace - dose?
DHB - continue?’

Other options:
Turinabol
 
between @Smont , @Hyde , and @MrKleen73 you should have some good feedback coming. I'm really curious about the week 12-16. You said keep weight under 200lbs and then cut to 175 in the last 4 weeks, I'm curious what the avg weight and BF% now cutting to 175 from 185 is a big difference IMO from cutting to 175 from 200...
 
There's too much information missing, one what are we peaking for? Strength or BB or photo shoot ect.

I'm guessing PL

It looks to me like you're trying to lose 25 lb in 4 weeks (5-8) your strength is going to drop significantly no matter how you go about that,

Honestly you're cycle doesn't really matter, your training and diet is what's going to matter because you need to drop 25 lb while maintaining strength the best you can and that's going to take perfect diet and training unless you want to just throw everything out the window and just take a shitload of Trent and anadrol you can completely negate that strength loss part. But it may also negate you losing 25 lb. If I wanted to drop 25 lbs I pretty much have to come off everything which is what I've recently done as I attempt to drop 25 lb lol. I've been cutting from 200 trying to get to 175 myself! .

But I would not run dhb at 400 mg for 12-16 weeks that's like running an oral for 12-16 weeks and after being on dhb for any amount of time switching to trens not a good idea either. Your cycle is just kind of going to make you progressively more lethargic in my opinion.

Can you give us a little background on what exactly the cycles for what are the contest dates or whatever the dates are and what your previous cycles have looked like?

Like how many cycles have you ran of these compounds you listed which ones have you already used and what doses have you used them at?
 
I ran DHB at 200mg for 10 weeks recently and bloods were solid. But we just don’t really have enough knowledge of it to say that it’s safe for months, so I wouldn’t exceed 8-10 weeks of it without having lots of experience with it (and bloodwork to know how you’re doing with it).

Also, 200 is a stout dose for strength. I have gotten good results with 100 and 140mg as well. Broderick Chavez’s team has stated that ~250mg is about the max weekly dose for a strength athlete; above that it’s almost like the uptick in nervous system function is counterproductive, like you get so twitchy it’s tough to optimally control. Like your body wants to act faster than your brain & it’s easier to jump or make technical mistakes. I have experienced this slightly even at 200 before. If you want to taper up DHB, start lower, like 100. Only bodybuilders should consider bigger doses, since they focus on non-technical lifting & more slowly.

The test and NPP doses should just be based on personal needs/tolerance, and dropping NPP and DHB for Tren Ace makes sense when it’s time to shrink. I’d just consider using less DHB, wait a few weeks to start it (maybe after the first 3-4 weeks), and also consider not getting up to 200lbs. Even 195 would make things much more manageable. Then you diet under 190 the last month and make a 14lb watercut to make 175 at weighins. If you don’t have experience water cutting and rehydrating like that, I would not get even that heavy. 14lbs is not safe if done wrong, and BP will need to be managed on the test & tren when HCT jacks up that final 24 hours.
 
Smont said:
There's too much information missing, one what are we peaking for? Strength or BB or photo shoot ect.

I'm guessing PL

It looks to me like you're trying to lose 25 lb in 4 weeks (5-8) your strength is going to drop significantly no matter how you go about that,

Honestly you're cycle doesn't really matter, your training and diet is what's going to matter because you need to drop 25 lb while maintaining strength the best you can and that's going to take perfect diet and training unless you want to just throw everything out the window and just take a shitload of Trent and anadrol you can completely negate that strength loss part. But it may also negate you losing 25 lb. If I wanted to drop 25 lbs I pretty much have to come off everything which is what I've recently done as I attempt to drop 25 lb lol. I've been cutting from 200 trying to get to 175 myself! .

But I would not run dhb at 400 mg for 12-16 weeks that's like running an oral for 12-16 weeks and after being on dhb for any amount of time switching to trens not a good idea either. Your cycle is just kind of going to make you progressively more lethargic in my opinion.

Can you give us a little background on what exactly the cycles for what are the contest dates or whatever the dates are and what your previous cycles have looked like?

Like how many cycles have you ran of these compounds you listed which ones have you already used and what doses have you used them at?
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Sure! The training follows powerlifting, im actually using the conjugate method now.

I have quite a few cycles under my belt. Ive used many orals, not all, ive used Adrol, Sdrol, ultradrol, Mtren (primairly as inj), Test, Var, dienolone, oral dienolone precurser, lost of trestolone. But DHB is new, and NPP is new, and tren is new. I havent really pushed deca to these doses, highest was 200mg/week deca. I am very familiar with trestolone and i know how to deal with 19 nor sides.

Contest dates are like feb 8th and march 13th. Previous cycles have looked something like 100T, 245 trest, plus 50mg var. 12-16weeks. or maybe anadrol in place of var. Ive tried to keep dosing conservative.

I was thinking the same about the dhb. I just dont know HOW hard it is. Then it would be ideal to switch to tren last number of weeks but the liver load. So what, should i just keep pumping NPP and test the last 5 weeks? or should i drop the dhb altogether and use turinabol for 8 weeks leading to the second peak?

Im on creatine, so i can drop that to lose about 8 or so? Which leaves 15 lbs over 5 weeks, which is potentially doable because ill water cut for the last 5 lbs. i CAN water cut more if needed but id rather not.
 
Hyde said:
I ran DHB at 200mg for 10 weeks recently and bloods were solid. But we just don’t really have enough knowledge of it to say that it’s safe for months, so I wouldn’t exceed 8-10 weeks of it without having lots of experience with it (and bloodwork to know how you’re doing with it).

Also, 200 is a stout dose for strength. I have gotten good results with 100 and 140mg as well. Broderick Chavez’s team has stated that ~250mg is about the max weekly dose for a strength athlete; above that it’s almost like the uptick in nervous system function is counterproductive, like you get so twitchy it’s tough to optimally control. Like your body wants to act faster than your brain & it’s easier to jump or make technical mistakes. I have experienced this slightly even at 200 before. If you want to taper up DHB, start lower, like 100. Only bodybuilders should consider bigger doses, since they focus on non-technical lifting & more slowly.

The test and NPP doses should just be based on personal needs/tolerance, and dropping NPP and DHB for Tren Ace makes sense when it’s time to shrink. I’d just consider using less DHB, wait a few weeks to start it (maybe after the first 3-4 weeks), and also consider not getting up to 200lbs. Even 195 would make things much more manageable. Then you diet under 190 the last month and make a 14lb watercut to make 175 at weighins. If you don’t have experience water cutting and rehydrating like that, I would not get even that heavy. 14lbs is not safe if done wrong, and BP will need to be managed on the test & tren when HCT jacks up that final 24 hours.
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Will apply this, thank you. do you think it would be too much on the liver to do 10 weeks dhb @ 200mg then swich to tren for 5 weeks?
 
Liver is a small part of it, I'm more concerned with overall lipids and **** that effects heart health. I'm not even trying to say like this cycle is just too much I mean I'm not opposed to pushing things a little bit at all especially with the list of things you've rattled off that you've already used. Never using 3 of these compounds previously tho, you may run into issues.

@Hyde does dhb seem to control estrogen like EQ does?
 
Reason I ask is because the dhb might offset the extra estrogen from the NPP. That would be helpful
 
Joshinator said:
Will apply this, thank you. do you think it would be too much on the liver to do 10 weeks dhb @ 200mg then swich to tren for 5 weeks?
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The issues with DHB that some people get may well be down to solvents and synthetic carriers that some brewers use to suspend DHB. So unless you have used the source before, it’s really going to be a crapshoot and you will need bloods to check liver (GGT) and inflammation (hsCRP) part of the way through to check response. You also may not be able to deal with the PIP; my last source was incredible with virtually none, but previous sources it would crash in the injection site and hurt like a bitch. Had to break up the knots with heavy massage.

I would absolutely only start with 100mg and all pinned in one shot per week, to minimize injection sites hit with it. See how you respond. I’d only plan 8 weeks, and I wouldn’t rotate onto an oral like Tbol after without drawing bloods somewhere between weeks 6-8 to check things personally.

Smont said:
Liver is a small part of it, I'm more concerned with overall lipids and **** that effects heart health. I'm not even trying to say like this cycle is just too much I mean I'm not opposed to pushing things a little bit at all especially with the list of things you've rattled off that you've already used. Never using 3 of these compounds previously tho, you may run into issues.

@Hyde does dhb seem to control estrogen like EQ does?
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Smont said:
Reason I ask is because the dhb might offset the extra estrogen from the NPP. That would be helpful
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No it has no effect on estrogen; think about it as truly estrogen neutral, no influence on gyno. Which is unlike almost anything else, besides maybe Var and Tbol.

I completely agree that planning on lots of NPP with no experience is a bad move. Start low and titrate as you feel comfy, if you do. It cranks my BP just like Trest and Tren, and raises my estrogen conversion immediately.
 
I would do Mast instead of DHB, that should pair well with NPP and Tren, plus is shouldn’t be any issues with doing high doses as it could with DHB.
 
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