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Beau said:
Apparently reading comprehension is not a strength and may be an area requiring additional attention. I never said he was still teaching. He was reinstated and retired with full benefits. That is what I said.
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Oh, so one small mistake and it's time to break out the personal insults. I'm sorry for not being perfect like everyone else here is. I am the only one in this 1000+ page thread to EVER make a mistake...
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Oh, so one small mistake and it's time to break out the personal insults. I'm sorry for not being perfect like everyone else here is. I am the only one in this 1000+ page thread to EVER make a mistake...
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we all make mistakes.......except my wife, she is always right ;)

especially today on our anniversary---speaking of which on our way to the kids house for cake and ice cream:cool:
 
thebigt said:
just a reminder of how the teachers union conversation got started
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Thanks - in California they should trash the system and start over, without a union. BTW - do you think Biden's reversal on his promise to "open schools" is a form of butt-kissing to the unions that donated MILLIONS of dollars to his campaign. Nah - probably just a coincidence. Nothing to see here, follow the science, except when doing do doesn't support our narrative ...

Hypocrites.
 
Beau said:
Thanks - in California they should trash the system and start over, without a union. BTW - do you think Biden's reversal on his promise to "open schools" is a form of butt-kissing to the unions that donated MILLIONS of dollars to his campaign. Nah - probably just a coincidence. Nothing to see here, follow the science, except when doing do doesn't support our narrative ...

Hypocrites.
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So we can agree that pretty much ALL these unions that defend the worst of the worst human scum and make the rest of the good people and public servants they represent are in need of MAJOR reform or complete dismantling? That would be teachers unions AND police unions, since they often do the same BS with human excrement they defend, reinstate, cover up for, etc.
 
thebigt said:
we all make mistakes.......except my wife, she is always right ;)

especially today on our anniversary---speaking of which on our way to the kids house for cake and ice cream:cool:
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Lol. You got married on Valentine's Day? That's a good way to cut down on the presents you need to buy her. Smart man!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Oh, so one small mistake and it's time to break out the personal insults. I'm sorry for not being perfect like everyone else here is. I am the only one in this 1000+ page thread to EVER make a mistake...
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It wasn't an insult or a personal insult. It was, instead, a well-intended observation made with respect to an opportunity for personal development.
 
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Beau said:
It wasn't an insult or a personal insult. It was, instead, a well-intended observation made with respect to an opportunity for personal development. BTW - Alleging that someone else made a claim, when that person did not actually make that claim, falls outside of the parameters of mistake (as commonly defined).
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It was not well-intentioned, it was condescending. Suggesting otherwise is beyond insulting. I MISINTERPRETED what you said due to an admittedly cursory reading of your statement. I had read that he was reinstated, and had a brain-fart of realizing that he could use that reinstatement to retire with benefits instead of attempt to continue teaching. Therefore, it was a MISTAKE. What is the alternative? Are you suggesting I INTENTIONALLY got what you said wrong? Why would I do that? What would I have to gain by intentionally misconstruing what you said to a group of like 4-5 people who are all having a discussion where you can easily come in and say that's not what you said. Which you did.

I made a mistake. I admitted it. I am sorry. But if you honestly think that I lack basic reading comprehension skills and it needs attention, then you can politely go f**k yourself. And if you think I intentionally misconstrued what you said, then it would be due to malice on my end, not a lack of reading comprehension.

So either I misunderstood what you said and therefore made a MISTAKE in claiming what I thought you said, or I understood what you said and intentionally got it wrong and accused you of saying something you didn't. So you can claim either I lack reading comprehension, or it is outside the parameters of a mistake. You can't have it both ways. At worst it is one of the two.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It was not well-intentioned, it was condescending. Suggesting otherwise is beyond insulting. I MISINTERPRETED what you said due to an admittedly cursory reading of your statement. I had read that he was reinstated, and had a brain-fart of realizing that he could use that reinstatement to retire with benefits instead of attempt to continue teaching. Therefore, it was a MISTAKE. What is the alternative? Are you suggesting I INTENTIONALLY got what you said wrong? Why would I do that? What would I have to gain by intentionally misconstruing what you said to a group of like 4-5 people who are all having a discussion where you can easily come in and say that's not what you said. Which you did.

I made a mistake. I admitted it. I am sorry. But if you honestly think that I lack basic reading comprehension skills and it needs attention, then you can politely go f**k yourself. And if you think I intentionally misconstrued what you said, then it would be due to malice on my end, not a lack of reading comprehension.

So either I misunderstood what you said and therefore made a MISTAKE in claiming what I thought you said, or I understood what you said and intentionally got it wrong and accused you of saying something you didn't. So you can claim either I lack reading comprehension, or it is outside the parameters of a mistake. You can't have it both ways. At worst it is one of the two.
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Sometimes people intentionally misstate what others have said for purposes of making the other look stupid. I have a concern whenever one person alleges that another person has said something that they've not said.

But, I didn't allege you tried to make me look stupid - if I had I would have PM'd you. You have taken offense to what I have written - and - since I wrote it - let me confirm that offending you was not my intention (anymore than it was your intention). I accept that you mistakenly concluded that I said something that I didn't; yes, we misunderstood one another. I could have been less flippant with my response, so I own that. I have a sarcastic sense of humor. I own that.

Now, as to your suggestion that I may (politely, or otherwise) "go f**k" myself, I will decline, because I believe it is always best not to allow things to degrade to that level.

I also need to confess: I have an issue (that is NOT with you) with how people commonly use the word mistake. It is now common for someone to say something like "having an affair was the worst mistake of my life" or "marrying Kathy was the worst mistake of my life". But an affair or decision to marry someone, as used this example, is not a mistake, They may both be examples of bad decisions, each of which had negative consequences. Reframing bad intentional decisions as mistakes removes almost all of the responsibility of the person who made the bad decision. After all, it was a mistake, right?

You didn't do that. You did not make an intentional decision, you simply misunderstood. That is why I edited what I originally wrote, because what I originally wrote was not correct. Admittedly, what I originally wrote was not a mistake. However what I originally wrote was wrong, and that is why I removed it.

In summary (i) I wish no offense, and (ii) I will not formicate with myself.
 
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Beau said:
Sometimes people intentionally misstate what others have said for purposes of making the other look stupid. I have a concern whenever one person alleges that another person has said something that they've not said.

But, I didn't allege you tried to make me look stupid - if I had I would have PM'd you. You have taken offense to what I have written - and - since I wrote it - let me confirm that offending you was not my intention (anymore than it was your intention). I accept that you mistakenly concluded that I said something that I didn't; yes, we misunderstood one another. I could have been less flippant with my response, so I own that. I have a sarcastic sense of humor. I own that.

Now, as to your suggestion that I may (politely, or otherwise) "go f**k" myself, I will decline, because I believe it is always best not to allow things to degrade to that level.

I also need to confess: I have an issue (that is NOT with you) with how people commonly use the word mistake. It is now common for someone to say something like "having an affair was the worst mistake of my life" or "marrying Kathy was the worst mistake of my life". But an affair or decision to marry someone, as used this example, is not a mistake, They may both be examples of bad decisions, each of which had negative consequences. Reframing bad intentional decisions as mistakes removes almost all of the responsibility of the person who made the bad decision. After all, it was a mistake, right?

You didn't do that. That is why I edited what I originally wrote, because what I originally wrote was not correct.

In summary (i) I wish no offense, and (ii) I will not formicate with myself.
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I assure you, I did not intend to misconstrue what you said to make you look foolish or undermine your argument. That would be unacceptable on my behalf. I was just going too fast for myself to think properly and had a massive brain fart. And please note that I am only telling you to f**k yourself IF you honestly think my reading comprehension skills are lacking, which it seems that you don't think, as we seem to agree I just made a really stupid mistake, and that is my bad to be certain.

I do agree with you that a mistake should be something done unintentionally. Forgetting an anniversary is a mistake, since it's likely an accident. Cheating on your wife on you anniversary is not a mistake. Forgetting to delete your texts to your mistress leading to your getting caught is a mistake, but the deliberate act of cheating was not a mistake, as you said.

No hard feelings man. I admit I was wrong, and my being wrong sort of lead to an escalation of misunderstanding. I will try to read things twice now before commenting.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND SEPERATE OBSERVATIONS BELOW, UNRELATED TO THE ABOVE QUOTE AND SENTIMENT:

Many people here make good points, even if I don't always agree in entirety.

On a side note, I think a lot of us, myself assuredly included, should take a step back and realize, or remember, that criticizing one side or party or person in no way means we support or praise the other side, or their opponent. I would hope people (not saying you, but other people ITT) can realize that when I criticize Trump or the Republican party, that does NOT mean I support Biden or the Democrat party by any stretch of the imagination. I will also do my best to remember that when someone criticizes Biden or the Democrats, that does not mean they love Trump or the Republican party.

I assume most, if not all, of us here are pretty sick of both parties, and, even if we think one side or man is worse than the other, we probably all think they've lost touch with reality and the common man, and that they serve primarily their own interests before their constituents. It's really become a constant vote for "the lesser of two evils" than for the party or person we actually agree with on a majority of topics. And it's a shame.
 
Beau said:
The last I heard, he was expected to do something like 25 years in jail, but I don't know what actually happened. Lets hope they do not allow him to serve food if he is in prison. I am surprised the LAUSD did not name him teacher of the year. They probably have a statue or school named after him.
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If guilty, he deserves the death sentence, and Im not a fan of the death sentence. Or send him away to a Chinese CCP re-education camp, that maybe would be more fun but then some needy kid might end up buying one of his organs and thats just nasty.
 
What that teacher did is so incredibly immoral and hideous that regardless of whatever should happen to him, I won't feel bad.

I have a fundamental issue with people (frequently parents of kids who behave horribly) who try to break the casual relationship between (1) doing something stupid, immoral or illegal and (2) the personal consequences of having done something something stupid, immoral or illegal - especially if it wasn't a mistake.

My father, a wise man who would have been 100 years old this year (but who died many years ago) told me the following when I got my driver's license: "I don't want to hear any crap if you get pulled over for drunk driving. I don't want to hear anything about the cop. The cop did not pour beer into your mouth, you did. So, if that happens, and I sure hope for your sake that it doesn't, don't call home - just stay in jail with the other drunk drivers". That was his was of saying that you had to live your life intentionally and be responsible for your bad decisions. My Dad was the most loving and caring man I have ever known, and he would have bailed me out - but I saw to it that he never needed to. But, because he would have allowed me to suffer the consequences, I (usually) avoided things that would have had bad consequences. It should be no surprise that I had the identical conversation with my sons.

The enabling "participation trophy" parents make my butt hurt.
 
Beau said:
What that teacher did is so incredibly immoral and hideous that regardless of whatever should happen to him, I won't feel bad.

I have a fundamental issue with people (frequently parents of kids who behave horribly) who try to break the casual relationship between (1) doing something stupid, immoral or illegal and (2) the personal consequences of having done something something stupid, immoral or illegal - especially if it wasn't a mistake.

My father, a wise man who would have been 100 years old this year (but who died many years ago) told me the following when I got my driver's license: "I don't want to hear any crap if you get pulled over for drunk driving. I don't want to hear anything about the cop. The cop did not pour beer into your mouth, you did. So, if that happens, and I sure hope for your sake that it doesn't, don't call home - just stay in jail with the other drunk drivers". That was his was of saying that you had to live your life intentionally and be responsible for your bad decisions. My Dad was the most loving and caring man I have ever known, and he would have bailed me out - but I saw to it that he never needed to. But, because he would have allowed me to suffer the consequences, I (usually) avoided things that would have had bad consequences. It should be no surprise that I had the identical conversation with my sons.

The enabling "participation trophy" parents make my butt hurt.
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I totally get what you are saying. Reminds me of people at a Church I used to go to. Instead of saying something was a mistake as a way to try to reduce their personal responsibility and accountability for their deliberate actions, they would blame wrongdoing on being tempted by the Devil. No, that is not it. If you are a Christian who believes premarital sex is wrong, yet you go to the club every weekend and hook up with someone, that is not the Devil tempting you, that is you putting yourself in a situation where you know you are struggling and weak in. You take responsibility for your deliberate actions. Now, if you were sitting at home and reading your Bible and a naked model knocks on your door and says she wants to have sex with you, then sure, maybe that's the Devil tempting you.
 
We are all tempted to do a lot of things for a lot of reasons; but most commonly it is the result of selfishness.

Regardless of the source of the temptation, we are responsible for our decisions and actions. In life, there is a huge difference between "can" and should", and the sooner we learn that - the better off we are.

It is much the same thing between being "nice" (which in some cases might mean not intervening when someone else is violating a healthy boundary) and being "good" (which usually means something like doing the right thing, regardless).

Sorry - I'll stop now.
 
Beau said:
We are all tempted to do a lot of things for a lot of reasons; but most commonly it is the result of selfishness.

Regardless of the source of the temptation, we are responsible for our decisions and actions. In life, there is a huge difference between "can" and should", and the sooner we learn that - the better off we are.

It is much the same thing between being "nice" (which in some cases might mean not intervening when someone else is violating a healthy boundary) and being "good" (which usually means something like doing the right thing, regardless).

Sorry - I'll stop now.
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You’re good; if you want to keep going please feel feee. Better than people claiming we never went to the moon haha. I see what you are saying. I also believe that one can do a “nice” or “good” thing, but for more selfish reasons, like the expectation of a reward, or to gain reputation. It is still a good deed, and better than not doing it, as it still benefits people. But it means if there was no potential for reward, they wouldn’t still do the good deed. I think there’s a subtle distinction to be made there, between one who does good expecting a reward for it and one who does good regardless of the outcome for them, be it reward or punishment.
 
Most of the time, doing the right thing is its own reward (especially in the long run).

Many years ago, my oldest son's baseball catcher "graduated" from the Foster Care program; meaning he turned 18 and no longer had a place to live. He was a great kid, and he had a grandfather and aunt and uncle within 15 minutes. They didn't take him in, so I did. We made him a part of our family. He went on vacations with us, had his own chores, and had to comply with house rules; the whole thing. He lived with us without any charge. I had a spare bedroom for him and yes, it cost me some money - but I could do it, and it was the right thing. In fact, not doing it would have been the wrong thing.

He stayed for 5 1/2 years. He stuck with me through a divorce. He now has a Master's Degree and is starting his own family. He is doing very well. He calls me his Dad. He is one of my sons.

I benefitted from doing the right thing, because it was the right thing. We both benefitted as a result.
 
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Beau said:
Most of the time, doing the right thing is its own reward (especially in the long run).

Many years ago, my oldest son's baseball catcher "graduated" from the Foster Care program; meaning he turned 18 and no longer had a place to live. He was a great kid, and he had a grandfather and aunt and uncle within 15 minutes. They didn't take him in, so I did. We made him a part of our family. He went on vacations with us, had hos own chores, and had to comply with house rules; the whole thing. He lived with us without any charge. I had a spare bedroom for him and yes, it cost me some money - but I could do it, and it was the right thing. In fact, not doing it would have been the wrong thing.

He stayed for 5 1/2 years. He stuck with me through a divorce. He now has a Master's Degree and is starting his own family. He is doing very well. He calls me his Dad. He is one of my sons.

I benefitted from doing the right thing, because it was the right thing. We both benefitted as a result.
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Major props man. Agreed. I suppose sometimes people just do not look beyond immediate gratification. For a second there I thought you were going to say he became a professional baseball player haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Lol. You got married on Valentine's Day? That's a good way to cut down on the presents you need to buy her. Smart man!
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nah, it wasn't to cut down on presents....it was to make sure i wouldn't ever forget the date!!!!
 
Beau said:
We are all tempted to do a lot of things for a lot of reasons; but most commonly it is the result of selfishness.

Regardless of the source of the temptation, we are responsible for our decisions and actions. In life, there is a huge difference between "can" and should", and the sooner we learn that - the better off we are.

It is much the same thing between being "nice" (which in some cases might mean not intervening when someone else is violating a healthy boundary) and being "good" (which usually means something like doing the right thing, regardless).

Sorry - I'll stop now.
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Never stop, I love it!
 
Beau said:
We are all tempted to do a lot of things for a lot of reasons; but most commonly it is the result of selfishness.

Regardless of the source of the temptation, we are responsible for our decisions and actions. In life, there is a huge difference between "can" and should", and the sooner we learn that - the better off we are.

It is much the same thing between being "nice" (which in some cases might mean not intervening when someone else is violating a healthy boundary) and being "good" (which usually means something like doing the right thing, regardless).

Sorry - I'll stop now.
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i found out early on it was much easier to be bad than good, but then sunday school taught me about guilt and went and ruined it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Some hilariously unfortunate ad placement.
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It really irks me how organizations, businesses, and the entertainment industry feel it’s appropriate to flaunt Black Lives Matter propaganda messages as they please. There are many Americans who are disgusted by BLM, and the all the chaos that has been provoked by them. Nobody wants to see that shyt during a major sporting event!

Think of what would happen if this symbol was plastered everywhere and mainstreamed into lawn signs...

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Ricky10 said:
It really irks me how organizations, businesses, and the entertainment industry feel it’s appropriate to flaunt Black Lives Matter propaganda messages as they please. There are many Americans who are disgusted by BLM, and the all the chaos that has been provoked by them. Nobody wants to see that shyt during a major sporting event!

Think of what would happen if this symbol was plastered everywhere and mainstreamed into lawn signs...

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It’s a shame BLM doesn’t have a MLK caliber leader to ensure they remain peaceful and actually express their goals. Saying you want minorities to be treated equally to others is a pretty agreeable goal. There is still some racism in America, even if it’s not as bad as in past decades/centuries. Wanting some level of police reform is something I think most people can get behind. But when there’s no defined leadership to keep the group on track, give a central message, discourage violence, and condemn it when it happens and disown members who become violent, they end up hurting their causes rather than helping them. It’s a shame really. MLK was incredible. Unfortunately not many people like him come around when we need them.

Edit: and it’s a shame how many people who supportBLM support the anti-Semitic and racist Nation of Islam. Hard to push for equality when you claim white man is inherently evil and lesser, and Jews are evil and controlling the world to keep black people oppressed.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
It’s a shame BLM doesn’t have a MLK caliber leader to ensure they remain peaceful and actually express their goals. Saying you want minorities to be treated equally to others is a pretty agreeable goal. There is still some racism in America, even if it’s not as bad as in past decades/centuries. Wanting some level of police reform is something I think most people can get behind. But when there’s no defined leadership to keep the group on track, give a central message, discourage violence, and condemn it when it happens and disown members who become violent, they end up hurting their causes rather than helping them. It’s a shame really. MLK was incredible. Unfortunately not many people like him come around when we need them.

Edit: and it’s a shame how many people who supportBLM support the anti-Semitic and racist Nation of Islam. Hard to push for equality when you claim white man is inherently evil and lesser, and Jews are evil and controlling the world to keep black people oppressed.
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actually the leader of nation of islam [farrakhan] called jews termites who need to be exterminated...nation of islam and farrakhan still have a facebook page---imagine that!!!
 
Special session possible taking place in NY to finally strip away King Cumho's year long emergency dictatorship powers with support of Demicans and possible talks of pushing for impeachment.

To catch people up, one of Cumho's top aids admitted they covered up about 50% of the already high nursing home deaths in he which forced nursing homes to take in CCP-Virus patients (about 9,000) from hospitals. She also admitted that they were worried that the numbers would be used against them. They did not count the ones that were taken out of the nursing home and died in a hospital.

On another note, it seems that His Majesty King Cumho, author of a book on leadership written about the CCP-Virus crisis appears to have vanished from his M-W-F Emmy award winning press conferences.

This is great, especially if they can take this maggot out of office.
 
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Special session possible taking place in NY to finally strip away King Cumho's year long emergency dictatorship powers with support of Demicans and possible talks of pushing for impeachment.

To catch people up, one of Cumho's top aids admitted they covered up about 50% of the already high nursing home deaths in he which forced nursing homes to take in CCP-Virus patients (about 9,000) from hospitals. She also admitted that they were worried that the numbers would be used against them. They did not count the ones that were taken out of the nursing home and died in a hospital.

On another note, it seems that His Majesty King Cumho, author of a book on leadership written about the CCP-Virus crisis appears to have vanished from his M-W-F Emmy award winning press conferences.

This is great, especially if they can take this maggot out of office.
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I hope they throw the book at his dumbass. Rip his nipple rings out.
 
got up early this morning and had my crew out plowing and salting, big money in snow!!!


still snowing, going to make another pass this evening!!!
 
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BOSSMAN said:
You doing personal contracts, county, or state?
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commercial contracts...4 strip malls and a couple of residential contracts....it's been snowing so hard since 1st pass that my crew is getting ready for round 2.
 
BOSSMAN said:
Hey, at least its daytime!!
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yeah, but almost all my places have restaurants that stay open till around 9 and will have to be out early in the morning...it's snowing pretty good here-how about where you are at?
 
thebigt said:
yeah, but almost all my places have restaurants that stay open till around 9 and will have to be out early in the morning...it's snowing pretty good here-how about where you are at?
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Southern Maryland
I sub all my snow, dont mess with it anymore.
 
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Watched a real presidents day parade today.
Didn't see anything mentioned about lunch bucket....🤷🏿‍♂️
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They're celebrating *FORMER* President Trump. Waving a Trump 2020 flag after the election is over and Biden is in office is just as dumb as waving a Confederate Flag a century and a half after they lost the war. But then again, lots of people fly them both, so at least they're consistent I suppose.
 
Plastic-osi is setting up a 9/11 style commission to investigate the horror and terrorist acts of the 6th.

I guess a big book in limited edition hard cover full of fairytales just like the original book for 9/11 will soon follow?

I just love paying taxes.
 
ax1 said:
Plastic-osi is setting up a 9/11 style commission to investigate the horror and terrorist acts of the 6th.

I guess a big book in limited edition hard cover full of fairytales just like the original book for 9/11 will soon follow?

I just love paying taxes.
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don't forget the warren commission, all that money spent to tell us about a 'MAGIC' bullet.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
They're celebrating *FORMER* President Trump. Waving a Trump 2020 flag after the election is over and Biden is in office is just as dumb as waving a Confederate Flag a century and a half after they lost the war. But then again, lots of people fly them both, so at least they're consistent I suppose.
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maybe they are just saying they aren't going to accept biden as their president...the same as many democrats did with trump?

4 years of hearing democrats say trump was not their president=KARMA?
 
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Also applicable to many conservatives:

1. against gay couples having equal rights under the law as straight couples, and making it illegal for someone to smoke weed in their own home.

2. Parlor censors and bans people too. Both sides are guilty of this.

3. Maybe you have a point there

4. Both parties are fully of massive hypocrites. To suggest otherwise is asinine.
 
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