I get this. Went I went to the Hiroshima bomb site, it was the American tourists who were being disrespectful at the sites.
and as far as i know no one outside the test group has got 2nd shot?
i love it when i go somewhere and spanish speakers are practically shouting in spanish...i start talking loudly to my wife in tagalog [even though she doesn't speak it] and they look at me like i am the one being rude, lol.
hey, he saw it on facebook-it must be true!!!!
we will wait for orders from heir fuhrer joe biden.
Something I've noticed here in UK is africans on their mobile phone on public transport, holy f@ck it could be an hour journey and they wouldn't even take a breath, and i mean loud too. I'd love to be able to understand what they're saying cuz when i phone someone its 5 mins and I'm already out of stuff to say .
There are 6. Read it from an ID doc somewhere, dont know where. Believe it if you want, or dont.
I just have to tell you, I truly enjoy how you call it COVID-1984! I’m going to start calling it that at work! Even better, I am going to start referring to it with the positive patients I see as COVID (insert patient birthdate). They won’t be able to hear me anyway, but at least I’ll get a chuckle out of it from underneath my N95.
Yeah, I remain faithful/hopeful that the MOA behind the current vaccines will remain effective at least in terms of managing this ongoing initial crisis.
There are 6. Read it from an ID doc somewhere, dont know where. Believe it if you want, or dont.
Yeah, allergic reactions are uncommon (a few cases in several hundred thousand) but also quite manageable.
Yeah, what I don’t get from that article is how does one or two mutations per month since let’s just say December of 2019...equal many thousands of mutations? Yes, I am questioning my own source...haha!
The genome mutates at that approximate rate, but it's not like 1 single virus is the only 1 mutating.
Yeah exactly. It's cultural things. Some people adapt better to others cultures, and some are simply oblivious.
It is 100% OK to question it. Absolutely.
I'm working through a virology text book at the moment and it is very, very complex.
This is not directed at you Ricky but just happens to be the comment that has some of the things I address:
Well, it’s new technology, so there is that. However, did you read the ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine and how it works? It has no preservatives or heavy metals- which is a partially to blame for stirring up vaccine controversy in general. Other than that, the ingredients are rather benign when you consider that it’s a vaccine. If you read through the MOA- it’s pretty damn impressive and solid if you ask me! That’s part of why I decided to get it.
Wow, that’s quite the response...thanks!
Are you going to take one of the vaccines, and what is your risk-benefit analysis?
You’re welcome! Like I said most of it wasn’t directed towards you as much as I just kept typing after the response to your comment since it seems like something everyone here has been talking about, lol. I also appreciate you sharing your experiences with the vaccine on here. Anyway. I think it puts into perspective that a lot of people’s immediate fears about the effects on vaccine efficacy - most people see the msm headline about a new strain spreading faster (which actually could be a few factors, it might not be dissimilar to the D614G spike mutation where it appears to spread quickly but is not actually more clinically relevant. there’s just several factors at play and we need to figure out what it actually is. We will probably know a lot more soon). While it’s technically possible that a strain evolves to overcome all antibodies to every region of the spike protein, it’s not likely. Mutations/strains should be monitored for to make sure things don’t head that way, which is what is happening afaik. As long as they don’t head that way, people don’t need to panic every time we might see something come up when there’s not enough data available.
Well, it’s new technology, so there is that. However, did you read the ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine and how it works? It has no preservatives or heavy metals- which is a partially to blame for stirring up vaccine controversy in general. Other than that, the ingredients are rather benign when you consider that it’s a vaccine. If you read through the MOA- it’s pretty damn impressive and solid if you ask me! That’s part of why I decided to get it.
You know that you have to gain a degree of immunity one way or another at some point. You have to ask yourself if you want it to sneak up on you when you least expect it? I know you are a healthy guy, but you also know that you can transmit it to your loved ones before you even feel symptomatic. Are your loved ones as healthy as you are? Maybe you or one of your loved ones are one of those really unfortunate people that are considered low risk, but happen to come down with a severe and debilitating China virus illness anyway? Or have lingering health consequences from mild illness.
Would it be worth it for you to feel some peace of mind from gaining immunity from a vaccine for you and your family you are in close contact with? I don’t know that answer and it’s not mine to make, but you should definitely consider the options. I know I joke a lot about work and such, but statistics don’t speak much on some level. Not everyone in the hospital with the China virus is half dead from a nursing home. Many are not that much older or different than myself, and I see them going off to rehab or hospice on oxygen. I say to myself that there are no guarantees that couldn’t happen to me.
So after my second dose of the Pfizer vaccine- I will be able to give a better short term assessment on that. In the meantime, I think you know what I would recommend to you and already have to my loved ones.
OK, so yeah....so much for me not peddling the vaccine
No, actually I kind of mispoke there. They haven’t been doing testing on the effectiveness of the vaccines in stopping transmission, yet they remain hopeful that it will. It’s kind of surprising this wasn’t studied. I suppose they had their hands full getting the studies done that were completed in that short timeframe. I did just find that the AstraZeneca vaccine did show that it helps prevent transmission. Since they all appear to give us the same line of immune defenses- I tend to think there is great hope there! If anyone is really on board with protecting themselves and their family with one if the vaccines, they all should get it as appropriate. Maybe @mavup has more insight on this!
Meh, taking the first shot was easy, and so was reporting that I received it! I’m fully prepared to feel like death for 12 hrs after the next one though. At least I can plan on it coming and drug myself!
Are you sure there wasn’t another reason he was fired? This doesn’t have anything to do with BLM does it?
Let me get back to you on this comment and the others. I need to find some of the research but off the top of my head, even without sterilizing immunity (which is what ax1 is referring to unless I’m misunderstanding his prompt), there’s a meta analysis that shows you’re 1/18 as likely to infect people when asymptomatic vs symptomatic and it looks like the vaccines at the very least have evidence for eliminating symptoms, while sterilizing immunity is to be determined. There’s also evidence that true asymptomatic spread is not common and instead it’s presymptomatic spread (no symptoms = no spread, symptoms = spread) but I will have to find those articles too. The idea being that even if we get no sterilizing immunity, if asymptomatic spread is highly unlikely to happen/asymptomatics are not actually infectious, a vaccine that makes people asymptomatic would still be incredibly effective in preventing transmission. I’ve read the research before just gotta go back an find it. Also, I won’t make a definitive statement, but I think it’s either oxford or AZ who in their trials tested for either sterilizing immunity or stopping transmission, and it was 60%. I’m half asleep and can’t remember at this point so don’t quote me on those numbers or which candidate it is, lol
