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thebigt said:
i am keeping a open mind, but at this time i too am not ready to get the vaccine.
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If I do well (and I expect to), I would encourage you to get it through the VA. Go for Pfizer over Moderna- Pfizer may be very slightly less effective in preventing severe illness if you were to be unlucky enough to still catch the China virus, while Moderna seems to have more potential of side effects from the vaccine itself.

I’m glad I got the Pfizer. Though the choice is really dependent on availability and freezing/storing capabilities of particular facilities..
 
Jiigzz said:
Looks like she didnt care all that much about it:

"She was still enthusiastic that she got the vaccine and the benefits that it would give her in the future,” Jones said.

The worker, who was described as middle aged, had a positive attitude throughout, Jones said, and was disappointed she won’t be able to get the second dose of the vaccine."
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You’re right, she was prob super stoked to be in the hospital. Lol

Look, I’m not trying to make it more than it is, allergic reactions are common with vaccines, but if copying and pasting that little excerpt is you justifying a major adverse event, you gotta try harder.
 
Ricky10 said:
Damn it, that was my guess! More of a statement of fact than a guess though I suppose

Well, I think this was to be expected, and it’s good to know that there does appear to be some transparency with reporting it.

I got mine today, (now yesterday) as I stated I would, and I feel fine so far- for what it’s worth. I actually feel better than this morning because I happened to have a headache before...ha! In the link you provided, there is indeed the option to participate in daily “check in texts” with the CDC for a week, and then weekly up to 7 weeks. I might be off on that by a bit as I don’t have it right on me, and I didn’t sign up right yet. Point is, they want ongoing collection of reactions etc..

So yeah, I feel fine after getting it 11 hrs ago, except for some moderate injection site arm pain as with the flu vaccine. So not sure if people know this, but it’s ultimately recommended that people who have previously had the China virus to get immunized as well. Not people with current active cases though of course.

This whole pandemic is a mess, but it‘s the reality of things. The vaccinations are another tool in giving us hope to getting back to some degree of normalcy. I think we all have to open our minds and sort of bite the bullet if at all possible. While it may feel like government controlling our lives, as it may well be, it’s really our only hope. I don’t want to go on living in the world like this..
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I really like your communication approach and I do value you sharing your experience. I pretty much disagree with your whole last paragraph but that’s okay. I do not believe the government is our only hope. If you use history as a gauge, that thinking will end us in a bad place in my opinion. It’s all good tho, it’s your right to choose to get the vaccine, and I’ll fight for that freedom even if I don’t agree with the root of it. Stay vigilant and keep
us posted on your experience.
 
Ricky10 said:
I have read a few things- but this is my ”general take”

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will result in our bodies producing those spike proteins that are synonymous with COVID-19- without actually getting the virus. The protein spikes are harmless without being attached to the actual virus. Covid-19 will likey not mutate so much that the spikes will be altered all that much, and if they do- it will take much more time than mutations that occur with the flu for example.

I have read that the Pfizer of Modern vaccines could be capable of protecting up to 10, 20 years or more (best case scenario). It is new and rushed, but the technology is far more advanced and capable of yielding the high efficacy as opposed to to the flu vaccine which of course does not.

If I wake up in the morning and feel like my ass is falling off, I might have a slightly less optimistic attitude...
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I had to read that a few times but it at least makes more sense to me I think.

So if this works well and I really hope it does, can this technology be applied to the flu? Or the flu has nothing to do with protein spikes?

And if I understand this correctly, I always thought the flu vaccine was just weak or dead flu and the white blood cells would produce the anti-bodies should that flu strain be exposed to that individual?
 
ax1 said:
I had to read that a few times but it at least makes more sense to me I think.

So if this works well and I really hope it does, can this technology be applied to the flu? Or the flu has nothing to do with protein spikes?

And if I understand this correctly, I always thought the flu vaccine was just weak or dead flu and the white blood cells would produce the anti-bodies should that flu strain be exposed to that individual?
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I am by no means an expert but yeah, the spikes of the flu virus are rapidly mutating and adapting, so that’s why it’s a yearly commitment. China virus spikes are rather stable, and have a self correcting mechanism that prevents them from mutating at a high rate.

So I don’t think this technology would be any more advantageous for the flu per say, but I do know they are optimistic that mRNA vaccine technology vaccines will be very useful in preventing/curing other diseases.

I like how this short article touches upon the ingredients- which strike me as relatively benign. The technology in itself is really quite amazing too IMO..

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I still feel absolutely fine! Just a sore left arm, but no worse than the flu vaccine..
 
thebigt said:
i want to know what qualifications the censors at facebook have to determine what is misinformation and what is healthy skepticism. also what the guidelines will be for distinguishing between the two.
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The guidelines will be what ever Facebook doesn’t like they will censor it!
 
Jiigzz said:
Looks like she didnt care all that much about it:

"She was still enthusiastic that she got the vaccine and the benefits that it would give her in the future,” Jones said.

The worker, who was described as middle aged, had a positive attitude throughout, Jones said, and was disappointed she won’t be able to get the second dose of the vaccine."
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Jones must be be there PR person for the hospital. Just sayin’
 
THOR 70 said:
I really like your communication approach and I do value you sharing your experience. I pretty much disagree with your whole last paragraph but that’s okay. I do not believe the government is our only hope. If you use history as a gauge, that thinking will end us in a bad place in my opinion. It’s all good tho, it’s your right to choose to get the vaccine, and I’ll fight for that freedom even if I don’t agree with the root of it. Stay vigilant and keep
us posted on your experience.
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It’s just the realization for me that the virus and the government aren’t going anywhere soon at all. There will be ongoing mandates whether we like it or not. For better or worse, getting back to some degree of normalcy in our lives that we once enjoyed is estimated to require at least 70-80% of people being vaccinated. Those people excluded would be those who have a history of severe allergy/anaphylaxis, pregnant women, and people under 16 years old. At this time anyway..
 
A police officer in Concord NC was shot and killed last night. A second officer was wounded and is in the hospital. The suspect is dead. This is the second police officer killed in NC in less than a week. Both were from agencies in the Charlotte area. 281 for the year so far. This **** has to stop.
 
Ricky10 said:
It’s just the realization for me that the virus and the government aren’t going anywhere soon at all. There will be ongoing mandates whether we like it or not. For better or worse, getting back to some degree of normalcy in our lives that we once enjoyed is estimated to require at least 70-80% of people being vaccinated. Those people excluded would be those who have a history of severe allergy/anaphylaxis, pregnant women, and people under 16 years old. At this time anyway..
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I volunteer for the 20-30%. 😂
 
sammpedd88 said:
A police officer in Concord NC was shot and killed last night. A second officer was wounded and is in the hospital. The suspect is dead. This is the second police officer killed in NC in less than a week. Both were from agencies in the Charlotte area. 281 for the year so far. This **** has to stop.
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Agreed. Interesting though...I don’t see any “Back The Blue” or “Blue Lives Matter” burning down cities.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Agreed. Interesting though...I don’t see any “Back The Blue” or “Blue Lives Matter” burning down cities.
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No offense, but “Blue” lives is a Job- a choice they made... being born black isn’t a choice. Not that rioting and burning cities is excusable nor am I saying Peace officers deserve to die. Stark difference, that’s all.
 
tyga tyga said:
No offense, but “Blue” lives is a Job- a choice they made... being born black isn’t a choice. Not that rioting and burning cities is excusable nor am I saying Peace officers deserve to die. Stark difference, that’s all.
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There’s also a huge difference in taking responsibility for your own success/failures/opportunities/etc, or pointing the finger.
 
tyga tyga said:
No offense, but “Blue” lives is a Job- a choice they made... being born black isn’t a choice. Not that rioting and burning cities is excusable nor am I saying Peace officers deserve to die. Stark difference, that’s all.
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You are saying the pigmentation in their skin is somehow restricting or limiting their chance at success in life?
 
GreenMachineX said:
There’s also a huge difference in taking responsibility for your own success/failures/opportunities/etc, or pointing the finger.
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Well, absolutely. That goes both ways though.

Obviously I agree there is a historical oppression/racism (red lining, fair credit) but that doesn’t apply today or actually since late 1960s iirc.

I’m just pointing out that a job is a choice and your skin color is not.
 
tyga tyga said:
Well, absolutely. That goes both ways though.

Obviously I agree there is a historical oppression/racism (red lining, fair credit) but that doesn’t apply today or actually since late 1960s iirc.

I’m just pointing out that a job is a choice and your skin color is not.
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I think I gotcha. But if so, that initial response of job vs. skin color and choice just doesn’t really fit in reply to what I was saying.

If we agree that rioting and burning cities isn’t excusable, then it doesn’t matter if it was a choice or not, especially if it’s imagined persecution (by anyone to anyone).
 
Ricky10 said:
It’s just the realization for me that the virus and the government aren’t going anywhere soon at all. There will be ongoing mandates whether we like it or not. For better or worse, getting back to some degree of normalcy in our lives that we once enjoyed is estimated to require at least 70-80% of people being vaccinated. Those people excluded would be those who have a history of severe allergy/anaphylaxis, pregnant women, and people under 16 years old. At this time anyway..
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I’m not trying to be inflammatory but it just sounds like you’re tired and throwing in the towel. You got no fight left in you and you’re putting all your faith in big gov and pharma to save us. I guess that notion operates on a belief that vaccines and gov mandates aren’t in humanity’s best interest.

Like I said this has been the longest fear cycle many people in our population have ever been through, and it does wear on you. I feel like that’s always been the plan tho. “Wear down their defenses with fear until they don’t care anymore.”
 
tyga tyga said:
No offense, but “Blue” lives is a Job- a choice they made... being born black isn’t a choice. Not that rioting and burning cities is excusable nor am I saying Peace officers deserve to die. Stark difference, that’s all.
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You have a choice or being born "black," or you have a choice being born as a one of a kind individual. There is a difference there.
 
THOR 70 said:
I’m not trying to be inflammatory but it just sounds like you’re tired and throwing in the towel. You got no fight left in you and you’re putting all your faith in big gov and pharma to save us. I guess that notion operates on a belief that vaccines and gov mandates aren’t in humanity’s best interest.

Like I said this has been the longest fear cycle many people in our population have ever been through, and it does wear on you. I feel like that’s always been the plan tho. “Wear down their defenses with fear until they don’t care anymore.”
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Yes, I am tired and throwing in the towel, but I would also rather not have the China virus either. Is it worse to go on forever with all these infringements on our lives, or to hope that a vaccine may actually be benign and effective enough to drive down numbers?

Less positive people= less positive hospitalizations = less restrictions for everyone, as well as more opportunities for businesses to rebound.

It’s not really that I have faith in big pharma and the government to save us per say, it’s just that there really isn’t any other proactive alternative in restoring some degree of normalcy. We can point the finger and blame the government all we want, but unfortunately, that won’t change anything.
 
Ricky10 said:
It’s not really that I have faith in big pharma and the government to save us per say, it’s just that there really isn’t any other proactive alternative in restoring some degree of normalcy. We can point the finger and blame the government all we want, but unfortunately, that won’t change anything.
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Well, we did just have an election but that didnt go well on most levels, lol.
 
sammpedd88 said:
The guidelines will be what ever Facebook doesn’t like they will censor it!
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just like the way they censored the hunter biden story before election--some have said that if they knew then what they know now that up to 14% would not have voted for biden....the influence that facebook and other social media have over our society is ridiculous!!!

the fact of the matter is that hunter biden IS under investigation and joe knew this when he lied about it when asked before election---what else is joe biden lying about---EVERYTHING would be my guess.
 
Ricky10 said:
Yes, I am tired and throwing in the towel, but I would also rather not have the China virus either. Is it worse to go on forever with all these infringements on our lives, or to hope that a vaccine may actually be benign and effective enough to drive down numbers?

Less positive people= less positive hospitalizations = less restrictions for everyone, as well as more opportunities for businesses to rebound.

It’s not really that I have faith in big pharma and the government to save us per say, it’s just that there really isn’t any other proactive alternative in restoring some degree of normalcy. We can point the finger and blame the government all we want, but unfortunately, that won’t change anything.
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sorry to say this brother, but BAA BAA
 
ax1 said:
Well, we did just have an election but that didnt go well on most levels, lol.
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Sure didn’t!
thebigt said:
sorry to say this brother, but BAA BAA
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I know I sound all pro-vaccine ’n shyt but I just don’t see a sustainable alternative. I would possibly have a different perspective if I wasn’t directly involved with patients and the fact that the China virus has made our jobs so miserable.
 
ax1 said:
You have a choice or being born "black," or you have a choice being born as a one of a kind individual. There is a difference there.
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Lol hold on, you think some people don’t have Innate disdain towards black people? Doesn’t matter if they’re “kind”. Their color of skin is purely hated more-so than any other skin color.
 
Ricky10 said:
Yes, I am tired and throwing in the towel, but I would also rather not have the China virus either. Is it worse to go on forever with all these infringements on our lives, or to hope that a vaccine may actually be benign and effective enough to drive down numbers?

Less positive people= less positive hospitalizations = less restrictions for everyone, as well as more opportunities for businesses to rebound.

It’s not really that I have faith in big pharma and the government to save us per say, it’s just that there really isn’t any other proactive alternative in restoring some degree of normalcy. We can point the finger and blame the government all we want, but unfortunately, that won’t change anything.
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We won’t agree and that’s okay. I can 100% see how being around the worst .001 of cases has impacted your decisions and outlook. But mark my words we are diving down a slippery slope at this point.

Just know when I like your posts it’s because I like you and your honest communication approach and not your viewpoint
 
tyga tyga said:
Lol hold on, you think some people don’t have Innate disdain towards black people? Doesn’t matter if they’re “kind”. Their color of skin is purely hated more-so than any other skin color.
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Actually, I seen far more hatred the past decade towards white people than any other race. That includes white people hating white people on top of blacks having disdain for white for simple reason of skin pigmentation.

It’s pure ignorance.
 
ax1 said:
Actually, I seen far more hatred the past decade towards white people than any other race. That includes white people hating white people on top of blacks having disdain for white for simple reason of skin pigmentation.

It’s pure ignorance.
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i agree. within the last 4-5 years in particular.
 
So here is an interesting perspective on my part to consider too..

From the start of all this China virus shyt, we have been told what we can and cannot do. This is exponentially the case as a healthcare provider. Over the course of months, PPE guidelines have continued to increase even when performing procedures on “negative” people. Just within the past week, we now have to dawn full PPE (N95, face shield, gowns, gloves) even when helping a surgical pt apply their own home CPAP mask. CPAP is considered an aerosol generating device, and basically everything an RT dose to treat/help patients generates aerosol. Nurses and physicians are also required to dawn full PPE if they are to later enter the room of a negative pt wearing their home CPAP. That’s just one example of the craziness.

Given that the vaccine isn’t mandatory, it’s actually the first time we have had the luxury of choosing what we felt was best for ourselves and/or protecting others. It feels much more like the freedom to exercise your own right to choose than something forced by the government or other organization.
 
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Ricky10 said:
So here is an interesting perspective on my part to consider too..

From the start of all this China virus shyt, we have been told what we can and cannot do. This is exponentially the case as a healthcare provider. Over the course of months, PPE guidelines have continued to increase even when performing procedures on “negative” people. Just within the past week, we now have to dawn full PPE (N95, face shield, gowns, gloves) even when helping a surgical pt apply their own home CPAP mask. CPAP is considered an aerosol generating device, and basically everything an RT dose to treat/help patients generates aerosol. Nurses and physicians are also required to dawn full PPE if they are to later enter the room of a negative pt wearing their home CPAP. That’s just one example of the craziness.

Given that the vaccine isn’t mandatory, it’s actually the first time we have had the luxury of choosing what we felt was best for ourselves and/or protecting others. It feels much more like the freedom to exercise your own right to choose than something forced by the government or other organization.
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Yes, worn down to the point where the option of putting a rushed vaccine with no long term safety data into your body sounds like freedom. Bro this is honestly really sad for me to hear, but I do empathize with what you’ve been through, I’m not attacking you.

It makes me feel like in need to be even stronger for my American brothers that aren’t strong enough to fight anymore...it will come to that point I fear.

To be clear I’m not a doomer and will be ecstatic if I’m wrong.
 
THOR 70 said:
Yes, worn down to the point where the option of putting a rushed vaccine with no long term safety data into your body sounds like freedom. Bro this is honestly really sad for me to hear, but I do empathize with what you’ve been through, I’m not attacking you.

It makes me feel like in need to be even stronger for my American brothers that aren’t strong enough to fight anymore...it will come to that point I fear.

To be clear I’m not a doomer and will be ecstatic if I’m wrong.
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i feel the same...i am still undecided about the covid vaccine but feel the government is manipulating people into compliance with people thinking they had a 'choice'....like my old friend and AA sponsor willie told me a long time ago-'you always have a choice, but may not always be easy choices'.

RIP willie
 
THOR 70 said:
Yes, worn down to the point where the option of putting a rushed vaccine with no long term safety data into your body sounds like freedom. Bro this is honestly really sad for me to hear, but I do empathize with what you’ve been through, I’m not attacking you.

It makes me feel like in need to be even stronger for my American brothers that aren’t strong enough to fight anymore...it will come to that point I fear.

To be clear I’m not a doomer and will be ecstatic if I’m wrong.
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No, I totally get it, and I don’t take anything you say or your perspective offensively. Hell, I don’t even think the flu vaccine is worth two shits, but these are extreme times so I am literally just hoping this will change things. I will still be forced to wear strict PPE, shave my facial hair, and fill out daily health checks on my iPhone regardless of how this next year goes in terms of people getting vaccinated.

However, if it can actually reduce the severity and frequency of positive patients rolling in the doors, less stress will be put on the healthcare system and everyone benefits from that as well. More resources become available for people with non- China virus related illnesses and emergencies. Right now, it is dominating the system and burning out providers.

As I said before, Im not overly thrilled about the unknown long term sides (if any) from the current China virus vaccines, but I‘m slighlty more concerned about the potential long term organ damage that actually has been noted by people who have contracted and recovered from even mild cases of China virus illness.

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tyga tyga said:
Lol hold on, you think some people don’t have Innate disdain towards black people? Doesn’t matter if they’re “kind”. Their color of skin is purely hated more-so than any other skin color.
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Honestly, the people in this thread would prefer to believe racism doesn't actually exist towards Black people.

The real racism, according to them, is against white people.
 
tyga tyga said:
No offense, but “Blue” lives is a Job- a choice they made... being born black isn’t a choice. Not that rioting and burning cities is excusable nor am I saying Peace officers deserve to die. Stark difference, that’s all.
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So what are you actually trying to say then?
 
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"Their throats open up as they try to interrupt, itching to talk over you but not to really listen, because they need to let you know that you’ve got it wrong"

That paragraph literally sums up most people in this thread. Amazing
 
Jiigzz said:
Honestly, the people in this thread would prefer to believe racism doesn't actually exist towards Black people.

The real racism, according to them, is against white people.
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I never noticed anybody here deny that racism doesnt exist against black people.
 
Jiigzz said:
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"Their throats open up as they try to interrupt, itching to talk over you but not to really listen, because they need to let you know that you’ve got it wrong"

That paragraph literally sums up most people in this thread. Amazing
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Another biased idiot who probably voted for the Suppression of all Americans via Groper Joe and the Demicrasist party.
 
ax1 said:
I never noticed anybody here deny that racism doesnt exist against black people.
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"Actually, I seen far more hatred the past decade towards white people than any other race. That includes white people hating white people on top of blacks having disdain for white for simple reason of skin pigmentation."

This right here is pure ignorance. You could stand to learn a lot about racism, but you won't, because to you, white people are actually the true victims.

Which is absolutely astonishing how you came to that conclusion
 
Jiigzz said:
"Actually, I seen far more hatred the past decade towards white people than any other race. That includes white people hating white people on top of blacks having disdain for white for simple reason of skin pigmentation."

This right here is pure ignorance. You could stand to learn a lot about racism, but you won't, because to you, white people are actually the true victims.

Which is absolutely astonishing how you came to that conclusion
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Thats because you dont solve racism by being racist and also making excuses for everybodies shortcomings in a particular group just because of their skin pigment.

There is no group more rasist in America today than BLM.
 
ax1 said:
Another biased idiot who probably voted for the Suppression of all Americans via Groper Joe and the Demicrasist party.
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You are the probably the most ignorant person I've ever come across lol.
 
ax1 said:
Thats because you dont solve racism by being racist and also making excuses for everybodies shortcomings in a particular group just because of their skin pigment.

There is no group more rasist in America today than BLM.
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Yes there is, and it is the system that meant groups like BLM could exist in the first place.
 
Jiigzz said:
Yes there is, and it is the system that meant groups like BLM could exist in the first place.
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Well, BLM can get with the KKK and eat shyt all I care, they are all the same tub of filth and crap.
 
ax1 said:
Oh great, at least I can finally claim in life Im good at something :)
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The author is British. Hence your ignorance is compounded. You pretend to know a lot about everything, but ultimately you know little about a lot.
 
Jiigzz said:
The author is British. Hence your ignorance is compounded. You pretend to know a lot about everything, but ultimately you know little about a lot.
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White people hate white people probably more than black people, Ill give you that.
 
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