I get what you're saying, but comparing employment to indentured servitude kinda belittles actual indentured servitude. One of those things involves a person working for no pay at all. The same with not giving somebody a raise compared to straight up choking them to death. That's gonna make people question the comparison even if you say one is worse than the other.
But you are repeating, ad nauseam, that they’re comparable, no? Is one much worse than the other, or are they comparable? They don’t belong in the same sentence man.
Exactly this. If I said, for example, rape is comparable to name calling because they are both abusive behaviors, but I made sure to clarify that rape is worse, I still, at the very least, phrased myself very poorly if I compared rape and name calling and said they’re comparable.
Because I have declared you the unofficial intellectual savior of the masses here at AM. This wasnt a decision I made lightly, and I am not giving you the option of ever abandoning this label.
Sorry! Haha didn't mean to make you feel that way. Was just adding to the discussion about what I've noticed. I'm white, and I used to think "what white privilege! I dont get any special treatment", until I realised that i do, even if it's not blatantly obvious.
How would you feel if that job you applied for, you were most qualified for but were rejected because you were white and a workplace wanted to show a sense of diversity?
What is affirmative action then? Do I have that wrong?
What doesn’t happen? I know that my father, when he was coming out of the fire academy, most assuredly the fire departments accepted some black candidates over white ones with higher scores. Do you really think affirmative action has never been a real thing?
Lots of other cultures and races aren't even considered for jobs unless they change their names and pretend to be someone they're not, and yet you're upset that someone is willing to give them a go? That mindset is exactly why things never change. How many jobs are actually rejecting white people for racial diversity? I can tell you it is MUCH more likely that a person of colour is rejected for a job based on their race than it is for you o be rejected because you're white. We cant play the victim card on that.
Affirmative action exists. Never said it doesn't.
In our current world, everyone has the same oppurtunity to become successful. Anyone who says they cant are just making excuses. I live in a very conservative state and I have yet to experience crazy racism. We don't have many black people here , but I know a few and many have jobs. Some are high level and education, as well. I actually saw WAY more racism when I lived in the liberal east coast. And that was all types of racism, not just white against black.
They weren't shot and English is really your first language? Holy ****
LMAO sorry I am on my iphone
Lol it's cool, i was just getting quite worked up there haha. The abuse of power thats going on is appalling and thats what i can't stand more than anything else, no one should be able to come along and make someone feel afraid or harassed or take their life because the have a badge and a uniform, it's unnatural, especially in USA, you have the constitution, one of the most beautiful things ever written yet it's being trampled on when any person of any colour or background is not truly free and under it's protection. Its unfathomable to me that when these things happen the other officers do nothing to stop it, they may say something later but at the time they let it happen as if it's engrained in their programming to never question another officer, forgetting they're to protect the public. Systemic racism needs to be fought in any way possible and people in MN i reckon don't feel they have any other way
I agree with this. What the cop did was not justified what so ever
Yeah, he still wasn't shot. WTF are you talking about?LMAO sorry I am on my iphone
I meant the man who was shot by the police officer(George Floyd). That wasn't justified , but these riots aren't either
My apologies, haven’t kept up with the story. I haven’t kept up with news and actually just heard about all of this today. Just realized he was beaten to death
Pretty sad honestly and getting shot would have been a better way to die than what was described .
I was comparing an unpaid internships to indentured servitude.
I did.
Again, one is worse but yes, IMO there's a connection between the two.
Using your logic, there is a “connection” between rape and name calling in that they are both abusive behaviors. I still wouldn’t repeatedly call them “comparable,” and I’d make a point of clarifying that, even if I say they are “related” in that they’re both abusive behaviors, that one is orders of magnitude worse than the other, not just that one is “worse” than the other. Saying that “they’re comparable but one is worse” doesn’t really express the drastic difference, and makes it appear as if they’re similar in your eyes, in the same league/class, and I’m not the only one here saying that. Related and and comparable aren’t interchangeable here IMO. Tee ball and Game 7 of the World Series are “related” in that they’re both baseball, but I wouldn’t say that they’re “comparable but one is bigger.” They’re so different that they’re different beasts entirely, even if they’re “related.”
If someone was out trying to exact vigilante justice on rapists and while they were out, saw someone being bullied and kicked the crap out of said bully it would be reasonable to make the association you're describing and that would not equivocate rape and bullying.
Im upset both at the need that some will not give a call based on names associated with races and that some would hire based on the color of ones skin over qualification. Both are forms of racism. Im not denying what you are saying doesnt exist, but when the solution is rasist you continue division.
I NEVER said that the two ball games are UNRELATED; you may be proving my point, that RELATED and COMPARABLE aren’t inherently synonymous or interchangeable here. Two things can be RELATED but not really at all comparable in terms of intensity of magnitude. If you can agree on that, that a police officer literally killing someone in cold blood and then their department often covering it up, is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than paying someone minimum wage, then I think that’s all there is to say, and I’ll stop wasting both our time.
Sure, I can throw in the qualifier "significantly" next time. I may or may not use all caps.
I live in New York north of the city and have grown up to racism around me and seen it at the workplace, especially a heavily red neck mining industry I worked at (not all red necks are racist, thats not a fair accusation.) Seen it heavily from Italian, seen it heavily with blacks, seen it heavily with Mexicans, etc.... Ive been a victim of it in my childhood up until half way through high school and that chilled a little.
Just be careful what you see. Governments greatest weapon to peaceful protests and growing its power of control is to infiltrate, divide and cause internal chaos.
They didnt need to shoot him. Damn, do you read the news? LOLLMAO sorry I am on my iphone
I meant the man who was shot by the police officer(George Floyd). That wasn't justified , but these riots aren't either
Haha, sounds good to me!
Unpaid internships can lead to extremely high-paying jobs. Nowhere near the same. Why not just focus on how bad one is without the comparison to something far worse in history? It's kinda the same as when people start calling everybody else Nazis or comparing politicians to Hitler. This is of course just a suggestion!
Two dudes are currently sitting in jail for shooting a black kid who was jogging because they thought he was the suspect in recent trespassing/robbery incidents. It took months to finally even arrest them and that was only due to the increased media attention. Lynching absolutely does still happen.
Honestly, what makes you believe NOW is coming close to the Antichrist? Why not during one of the TWO literal WORLD WARS that happened in the last century? One of which had its own pandemic at the tail-end of it that killed 20-40 million people?
Thats dumb, this is the kind of guy I would want to have on my side. I wonder how many of those dislikes came from people who want free sneakers?
I didnt realize the arrests happened months after it took place. WTF??!?!!
I've tried any number of ways to get people to take exploitation seriously but typically if it's something that doesn't directly affect the person I'm talking to, they go with the explanation that most comfortably fits their current world view.
He was shot in February and they were arrested in May. Remember that cop in Dallas that went into somebody else's apartment by accident and shot him dead...again, she wasn't arrested right away (it was three days). I'm telling you that white privilege exists. It doesn't mean you've gotten a free pass on anything, but it does mean that you might have been given more barriers had you been black and that doesn't have to always mean lynching. You grew up as a white guy in a certain part of the country, but that doesn't mean racism isn't a huge problem just because of your experience. I've never been raped, but that doesn't mean I should tell women that sexual assaults are not a legitimate concern. I can go for weeks without having to worry about race because I do have that privilege. As a teen I was given a second, third, and fourth chance by cops that didn't give the same chances to my friends who were black. The worst I got was a call to have my parents pick me up from the station and most of the time they just let us go on our own. Black friends and schoolmates were at getting a court date and more than likely going to juvie.
What? So if a college student wants to take an unpaid internship, that should be illegal? Or it’s unethical that they exist? I’m trying to understand.
I think it's unethical that they exist. It's a way to get out of paying someone during training
And remember, these are AVERAGES, so any number of n=1 anecdotes may seem to conflict with the general trend. A white person may have been the victim of horrible police brutality, maybe even multiple times, but that doesn’t change the AVERAGE or GENERAL TREND that certain groups are more likely to be victims of police brutality or treated unfairly. A white person may have the book thrown at them for a first offense, and a black person may get off light for a second, in n=1 examples, but that doesn’t undermine the general trends or averages.
Ok, but there’s also no guarantee the intern stays with the company after receiving said training, or even that they end up getting their degree and/or certification, so if the only time they are with said company is during training while in school, then perhaps that’s why they do it? Or are you saying they should make interns sign a contract to work for said company for X amount of time once they earn their degree and/or certifications? Depending on the industry and the time/level/knowledge duding one’s internship, they may be super valuable, or hardly useful at all.
