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if the girl was over 18 AND if kraft didn't know about the human trafficking AND if kraft thought the girl was a willing participant then I don't really have a issue with what kraft did....lots of if's....

I heard they were both older than his recent girlfriend. I havent double checked but on a radio show I heard one was 45 and the other 54. The one greeted him like she has known him for a very long time.

The human trafficking is a byproduct of big brother laws opening the doors for a massive black market. Its sad really, but if your in Vegas its ok I guess. Unfortunately these girls are more prone to diseases, abuse, and so much more at higher rates.

Its all bullshyt....I dont mind law enforcement fighting the trafficking, I would never oppose that but prostitution should in no way be a position for government to enforce.

Some day states will start legalizing prostitution once all sources of revenue are exhausted and they want to profit off being a pimp themselves. The same people who threw countless people in the slammer, embarrassed and destroyed countless families just will turn into profiteers. As long as government gets a cut things are moral. The government will still send their IRS hitmen and assault women at gunpoint if they get caught not surrendering a cut of their vaginas. But its the government so female assault is ok when the government does it.
 
if the girl was over 18 AND if kraft didn't know about the human trafficking AND if kraft thought the girl was a willing participant then I don't really have a issue with what kraft did....lots of if's....

I'm for legal prostitution between consenting adults, but it's 2019. If you're going to a "massage" place where most people don't speak English, chances are pretty good that they're not there by choice. You can read all about it in my Hookers For All presidential campaign.
 
I heard they were both older than his recent girlfriend. I havent double checked but on a radio show I heard one was 45 and the other 54. The one greeted him like she has known him for a very long time.

The human trafficking is a byproduct of big brother laws opening the doors for a massive black market. Its sad really, but if your in Vegas its ok I guess. Unfortunately these girls are more prone to diseases, abuse, and so much more at higher rates.

Its all bullshyt....I dont mind law enforcement fighting the trafficking, I would never oppose that but prostitution should in no way be a position for government to enforce.

Some day states will start legalizing prostitution once all sources of revenue are exhausted and they want to profit off being a pimp themselves. The same people who threw countless people in the slammer, embarrassed and destroyed countless families just will turn into profiteers. As long as government gets a cut things are moral. The government will still send their IRS hitmen and assault women at gunpoint if they get caught not surrendering a cut of their vaginas. But its the government so female assault is ok when the government does it.

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exactly...I see very little if any difference between prostitution and porno?

I thought the general consensus was what happens between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors is no concern of government?


maybe kraft should take his case to scotus, he's got the money, lol.
 
I'm for legal prostitution between consenting adults, but it's 2019. If you're going to a "massage" place where most people don't speak English, chances are pretty good that they're not there by choice. You can read all about it in my Hookers For All presidential campaign.
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Side note. Someone on the radio said that if they were actually victims of sex trafficking, why force them to keep performing sexual acts against their will to bust a bunch of Johns when you clearly already have the big dogs running the operation nailed? Let the poor women go.
 
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Side note. Someone on the radio said that if they were actually victims of sex trafficking, why force them to keep performing sexual acts against their will to bust a bunch of Johns when you clearly already have the big dogs running the operation nailed? Let the poor women go.

dayum...that is valid as all hell!!!
 
dayum...that is valid as all hell!!!
I think it was Clay Travis on 640 the Hurricane? It was someone on that station. I think it was this morning driving to work in the 6-9 slot? I’m pretty sure The whole lineup is Sports Talk Radio, but they’re all actually very consistent in their views and takes on issues involving people/politics (be it crimes, comments, racial stuff, etc.) They walk a fine line of being able to discuss relevant things in sports that involve some level of politics, and calling out B.S., but they apply the same logic and rules to both sides, so it doesn’t come off as partisan or biased, or preachy.

They helped save a tennis commentator’s career after he was fired and ostracized for saying “guerilla tennis” when talking about Williams, even though it’s an actual tennis term.
https://www.outkickthecoverage.com...rrilla-effect-in-venus-williams-match-012517/
 
Side note. Someone on the radio said that if they were actually victims of sex trafficking, why force them to keep performing sexual acts against their will to bust a bunch of Johns when you clearly already have the big dogs running the operation nailed? Let the poor women go.

Detective work isn't always clean. If they went in early, they get one or two places. If you wait and follow the money, you get a lot more like they did in this case. The cops weren't forcing anybody to do anything.
 
Detective work isn't always clean. If they went in early, they get one or two places. If you wait and follow the money, you get a lot more like they did in this case. The cops weren't forcing anybody to do anything.
I do think that police often spend way too much time/effort/resources trying to bust random Johns though. Surely you can admit this much. Sometimes it does put the women in danger or compromising situations, be it actual sex workers or undercover officers. If they needed more evidence to build a case against the big dogs, cool, but we both know this isn’t always the case, as evidenced by how many times they set up people/Johns who clearly have no connection to any rings or anything illicit beyond just wanting to pay a consenting woman for sex.

I will withhold final judgment until we have all the facts, and I admit police work is often inherently messy, but it is often very unnecessarily so.
 
I do think that police often spend way too much time/effort/resources trying to bust random Johns though. Surely you can admit this much. Sometimes it does put the women in danger or compromising situations, be it actual sex workers or undercover officers. If they needed more evidence to build a case against the big dogs, cool, but we both know this isn’t always the case, as evidenced by how many times they set up people/Johns who clearly have no connection to any rings or anything illicit beyond just wanting to pay a consenting woman for sex.

I will withhold final judgment until we have all the facts, and I admit police work is often inherently messy, but it is often very unnecessarily so.

Like when? You're asking me to admit to something, but you're being vague to the point of hypothetical. Do you have a specific story you're talking about? It was always out in the open in Chicago and Dallas. I never saw any police resources being put into it, especially in Dallas. That doesn't mean it isn't happening at times that I wasn't there, but it was a lot of different times of day and night.
 
I do think that police often spend way too much time/effort/resources trying to bust random Johns though. Surely you can admit this much. Sometimes it does put the women in danger or compromising situations, be it actual sex workers or undercover officers. If they needed more evidence to build a case against the big dogs, cool, but we both know this isn’t always the case, as evidenced by how many times they set up people/Johns who clearly have no connection to any rings or anything illicit beyond just wanting to pay a consenting woman for sex.

I will withhold final judgment until we have all the facts, and I admit police work is often inherently messy, but it is often very unnecessarily so.

I've found withholding judgement until all the facts are in to be best...but I did think the comment you posted made sense.
 
I do think that police often spend way too much time/effort/resources trying to bust random Johns though. Surely you can admit this much. Sometimes it does put the women in danger or compromising situations, be it actual sex workers or undercover officers. If they needed more evidence to build a case against the big dogs, cool, but we both know this isn’t always the case, as evidenced by how many times they set up people/Johns who clearly have no connection to any rings or anything illicit beyond just wanting to pay a consenting woman for sex.

I will withhold final judgment until we have all the facts, and I admit police work is often inherently messy, but it is often very unnecessarily so.

Its all about revenue collecting and reaching monthly quotas. I love police but I hate when they act as mercenaries for corporate government. I dont blame them, I blame the policies so you all need to stop voting for Demicans and Republicrats and restore sanity to my country :)
 
Like when? You're asking me to admit to something, but you're being vague to the point of hypothetical. Do you have a specific story you're talking about? It was always out in the open in Chicago and Dallas. I never saw any police resources being put into it, especially in Dallas. That doesn't mean it isn't happening at times that I wasn't there, but it was a lot of different times of day and night.
So you’ve never heard of officers pretending to be prostitutes and then busting a would-be client? These men were looking to pay for sex; they were not involved in any rings or organizations at all.

Time had a big piece about it:
http://time.com/sex-buyers-why-cops-across-the-u-s-target-men-who-buy-prostitutes/

It did mention pimps once or twice, and pimps aren’t usually upstanding citizens, it not all stings involve pimps, of course.
 
I heard they were both older than his recent girlfriend. I havent double checked but on a radio show I heard one was 45 and the other 54. The one greeted him like she has known him for a very long time.

The human trafficking is a byproduct of big brother laws opening the doors for a massive black market. Its sad really, but if your in Vegas its ok I guess. Unfortunately these girls are more prone to diseases, abuse, and so much more at higher rates.

Its all bullshyt....I dont mind law enforcement fighting the trafficking, I would never oppose that but prostitution should in no way be a position for government to enforce.

Some day states will start legalizing prostitution once all sources of revenue are exhausted and they want to profit off being a pimp themselves. The same people who threw countless people in the slammer, embarrassed and destroyed countless families just will turn into profiteers. As long as government gets a cut things are moral. The government will still send their IRS hitmen and assault women at gunpoint if they get caught not surrendering a cut of their vaginas. But its the government so female assault is ok when the government does it.


being older [and more experienced] might be a plus for what kraft went there for....$0.50 says it wasn't for coitus.
 
A longer read. Apparently many officers view prostitution as a “gateway” to more serious crime, and think it should be prevented and punished due to this. But banning “gateways” isn’t always a good idea, and this suggests that it isn’t ONLY human trafficking they are trying to crack down on, as they wouldn’t consider actual human trafficking to be a “gateway” crime, as it is an incredibly heinous crime itself. So they are inherently talking about consensual prostitution as well.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00016/full
 
Rumor is that some 84 year old hedge fund "john" was arrested too....I wonder why Kraft was revealed publicly and the other guy not assuming this is true
 
A longer read. Apparently many officers view prostitution as a “gateway” to more serious crime, and think it should be prevented and punished due to this. But banning “gateways” isn’t always a good idea, and this suggests that it isn’t ONLY human trafficking they are trying to crack down on, as they wouldn’t consider actual human trafficking to be a “gateway” crime, as it is an incredibly heinous crime itself. So they are inherently talking about consensual prostitution as well.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00016/full

Rub and tugs, then crystal meth addiction. Must be true. Link is obvious here.

In before rolleyes.
 
So you’ve never heard of officers pretending to be prostitutes and then busting a would-be client? These men were looking to pay for sex; they were not involved in any rings or organizations at all.

Time had a big piece about it:
http://time.com/sex-buyers-why-cops-across-the-u-s-target-men-who-buy-prostitutes/

It did mention pimps once or twice, and pimps aren’t usually upstanding citizens, it not all stings involve pimps, of course.

Yes, I have heard of undercover cops. Read what you wrote again, specifically the first sentence where you use the word "often". You're asking me to admit to that sentence where you say it often happens, but gave no examples. I'm asking if you're talking about something in particular...call it asking for clarification. The article you linked to explains why they go after both. Hookers are the same product as anything else and work by supply and demand. If you have a bunch of dudes willing to pay for sex and you take away the supply, there is always somebody else waiting to start up a business.
 
Yes, I have heard of undercover cops. Read what you wrote again, specifically the first sentence where you use the word "often". You're asking me to admit to that sentence where you say it often happens, but gave no examples. I'm asking if you're talking about something in particular...call it asking for clarification. The article you linked to explains why they go after both. Hookers are the same product as anything else and work by supply and demand. If you have a bunch of dudes willing to pay for sex and you take away the supply, there is always somebody else waiting to start up a business.
My point is that sometimes police spend a lot of time/resources/money trying to bust people that are clearly not involved in any trafficking.

If you’re talking about supply and demand, there will always be a supply for it; it’s the “worlds oldest profession” for crying out loud. So if you make it illegal, you’ll ONLY have illegal operations, which are much less likely to follow rules, regulations, and laws than legal businesses are.
 
A longer read. Apparently many officers view prostitution as a “gateway” to more serious crime, and think it should be prevented and punished due to this. But banning “gateways” isn’t always a good idea, and this suggests that it isn’t ONLY human trafficking they are trying to crack down on, as they wouldn’t consider actual human trafficking to be a “gateway” crime, as it is an incredibly heinous crime itself. So they are inherently talking about consensual prostitution as well.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00016/full

probably the same cops who view pot as a gateway drug....just sayin
 
Yes, I have heard of undercover cops. Read what you wrote again, specifically the first sentence where you use the word "often". You're asking me to admit to that sentence where you say it often happens, but gave no examples. I'm asking if you're talking about something in particular...call it asking for clarification. The article you linked to explains why they go after both. Hookers are the same product as anything else and work by supply and demand. If you have a bunch of dudes willing to pay for sex and you take away the supply, there is always somebody else waiting to start up a business.

kinda like drugs-eh?
 
A longer read. Apparently many officers view prostitution as a “gateway” to more serious crime, and think it should be prevented and punished due to this. But banning “gateways” isn’t always a good idea, and this suggests that it isn’t ONLY human trafficking they are trying to crack down on, as they wouldn’t consider actual human trafficking to be a “gateway” crime, as it is an incredibly heinous crime itself. So they are inherently talking about consensual prostitution as well.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsoc.2018.00016/full

Did you read this article or only the abstract? I wouldn't base too much opinion off of this survery:

"The most significant limitation in this study was the unknown but probably low response rate. Also, many respondents dropped out of the survey shortly after beginning it. Due to listwise deletion procedures in multivariate models, the total number of respondents was even fewer. However, researchers must do the best they can with what they have."
 
*that should say there will always be a DEMAND for it.

Making something illegal only makes it less safe, and people are still determined to do it, so they’ll just do it illegally and less safely.

Prohibition failed. The war on drugs failed. Banning abortions doesn’t work. So neither will banning prostitution.

Legalizing it would mean testing for the workers, it would mean no abusive pimps, it’d mean no police resources wasted on what two consenting adults want to do, and it’d also greatly reduce the number of sex trafficking. Not many people would risk massive jail time and dealing with traffickers when they could just walk into a licensed shop.
 
Did you read this article or only the abstract? I wouldn't base too much opinion off of this survery:

"The most significant limitation in this study was the unknown but probably low response rate. Also, many respondents dropped out of the survey shortly after beginning it. Due to listwise deletion procedures in multivariate models, the total number of respondents was even fewer. However, researchers must do the best they can with what they have."
Dude, I posted it just to give one perspective. I also posted a Time piece showing that they go after regular Johns who aren’t involved in any human trafficking at all. It’s a thing that happens across the country regularly. How anal are you going to get? That I said “often” when I should have said “regularly?”

This is a waste of time. Can you agree that prostitution between consenting adults shouldn’t be illegal and police shouldn’t waste money going after Johns looking to pay for it unless it involves trafficking? If so, were arguing over peanuts and splitting hairs.
 
My point is that sometimes police spend a lot of time/resources/money trying to bust people that are clearly not involved in any trafficking.

If you’re talking about supply and demand, there will always be a supply for it; it’s the “worlds oldest profession” for crying out loud. So if you make it illegal, you’ll ONLY have illegal operations, which are much less likely to follow rules, regulations, and laws than legal businesses are.

What part of "I think prostitution should be legal" do you not understand lol. You always think I'm against you when I'm asking for clarification. You've gone from "often" to "sometimes", so just maybe clarification was called for. Also, we were talking about Kraft's case which is different than hookers working the street. I said earlier that if you're going to a "massage" place where nobody speaks English, then you were probably supporting human trafficking whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not saying they are part of a ring or get the t-shirt from joining, but they are financially supporting it.
 
probably the same cops who view pot as a gateway drug....just sayin
You’d be surprised how many people on both sides don’t support legalization of prostitution. I don’t know how anyone can argue that banning drugs doesn’t work, banning abortion doesn’t work, but think banning prostitution does, but some people think this way.
 
And saying a study is limited doesn’t mean it’s useless. I figured it’d be better than random no-name online newspaper articles that have beyond no academic peer reviewing process. Like it said, we work with what we have...
 
Dude, I posted it just to give one perspective. I also posted a Time piece showing that they go after regular Johns who aren’t involved in any human trafficking at all. It’s a thing that happens across the country regularly. How anal are you going to get? That I said “often” when I should have said “regularly?”

This is a waste of time. Can you agree that prostitution between consenting adults shouldn’t be illegal and police shouldn’t waste money going after Johns looking to pay for it unless it involves trafficking? If so, were arguing over peanuts and splitting hairs.

I said that way earlier, but you get so blinded by trying to start a debate with me that you don't see that we already covered that. You asked me to admit something. I'm not going to blindly agree with you? Go buy a dog if you need that kind of validation.
 
I said that way earlier, but you get so blinded by trying to start a debate with me that you don't see that we already covered that. You asked me to admit something. I'm not going to blindly agree with you? Go buy a dog if you need that kind of validation.
So you don’t admit that police allocate resources busting non-trafficking-related prostitution regularly across the country? What is your issue? That I said often? Fine, often is such a broad term it can mean almost anything. But suggesting they don’t regularly do this is asinine.
 
What part of "I think prostitution should be legal" do you not understand lol. You always think I'm against you when I'm asking for clarification. You've gone from "often" to "sometimes", so just maybe clarification was called for. Also, we were talking about Kraft's case which is different than hookers working the street. I said earlier that if you're going to a "massage" place where nobody speaks English, then you were probably supporting human trafficking whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not saying they are part of a ring or get the t-shirt from joining, but they are financially supporting it.

my money says kraft was refered there by a 'satisfied' client...a b-job from a talented 'professional' is probably much better than what he could get from a trophy girlfriend...
 
What part of "I think prostitution should be legal" do you not understand lol. You always think I'm against you when I'm asking for clarification. You've gone from "often" to "sometimes", so just maybe clarification was called for. Also, we were talking about Kraft's case which is different than hookers working the street. I said earlier that if you're going to a "massage" place where nobody speaks English, then you were probably supporting human trafficking whether you want to admit it or not. I'm not saying they are part of a ring or get the t-shirt from joining, but they are financially supporting it.

If you ask people on the street who the 45th President of the United States is, your gonna find people who dont know either, lol

Point is I can guess and only guess alot of people dont think slavery exists in America in any way. People can assume these are impoverished illegal immigrants trying to make a bigger paycheck or have trouble finding a job. Im just guessing here.
 
So you don’t admit that police allocate resources busting non-trafficking-related prostitution regularly across the country? What is your issue? That I said often? Fine, often is such a broad term it can mean almost anything. But suggesting they don’t regularly do this is asinine.

My issue is when the **** did I say they didn't? And asinine is saying **** as fact with no proof and claiming that I'm against issues that I said I was for earlier today. What, we're supposed to accept a Time article about one county in Illinois as happening everywhere even though the article explains that isn't the case. Or are we supposed to believe a single flawed survey that is under-powered and therefore doesn't mean anything statistically? Running off and finding the first articles that pop up after a 3 second google search without actually reading them doesn't support anything. It's flailing your arms and grasping at any title that sounds like it might support the opinion you've already made up. But then you get pissed at me for actually reading them. I'm done wasting time on you yet again.
 
If you ask people on the street who the 45th President of the United States is, your gonna find people who dont know either, lol

Point is I can guess and only guess alot of people dont think slavery exists in America in any way. People can assume these are illegal immigrants trying to make a bigger paycheck or have trouble finding a job. Im just guessing here.


for some reason I get the feeling that many people think only Hispanics are victims of human trafficking?
 
my money says kraft was refered there by a 'satisfied' client...a b-job from a talented 'professional' is probably much better than what he could get from a trophy girlfriend...

I don't understand why he would go to a place like that though. It seems like he would have people that could get girls to come to him. Apparently though he was just one of many, so we'll see what other names come out.
 
If you ask people on the street who the 45th President of the United States is, your gonna find people who dont know either, lol

Point is I can guess and only guess alot of people dont think slavery exists in America in any way. People can assume these are impoverished illegal immigrants trying to make a bigger paycheck or have trouble finding a job. Im just guessing here.

lol true. Maybe they do honestly think that, but I think there are some that just tell themselves that to sleep better at night.
 
I don't understand why he would go to a place like that though. It seems like he would have people that could get girls to come to him. Apparently though he was just one of many, so we'll see what other names come out.

word of 'MOUTH'....:newangel:
 
You said “like when?” I gave an example. You then took issue with me saying “often.” What do you want? Statistics? How many men are busted by Sate, month, and year to demonstrate that it is regular and occurs across the country? If you really don’t think that police departments across the country don’t set up stings or in other ways bust women selling sex and Johns buying it when there is literally zero evidence of human trafficking, I don’t know what to tell you. If you do think this happens regularly, then we agree, and there’s no argument. You just have this incessant need to tear me apart for isolated words that you feel are exaggerated instead of focusing on the overall point.

Everyone here remains civil, and you accuse me of insulting you on occasion, but you’ve cursed at multiple people ITT in the last few pages. You’re no better than the people you criticize. ;)
 
I don't understand why he would go to a place like that though. It seems like he would have people that could get girls to come to him. Apparently though he was just one of many, so we'll see what other names come out.

Some people get off on a dirty sleezy and/or risky environment. Fetish.
 
I would guess Hispanics account for more human smuggling, but human trafficking I would say is more Asia and Eastern Europe.

I would 100% AGREE...but most people only hear about human trafficking coming out of mexico...and I agree a lot of that is trumps fault.
 
I don't understand why he would go to a place like that though. It seems like he would have people that could get girls to come to him. Apparently though he was just one of many, so we'll see what other names come out.
Maybe he just didn’t think he’d get caught? What are the odds? I heard one person say that some people think that maybe he thought he’d be less likely to be recognized at a place like that than if he hired a “classier” service to his home or to a fancy hotel where it’d be more likely for someone to figure out or notice who he is. That they could blackmail him with it easier. Maybe that’s BS, I can’t put myself in his mind. Maybe he thought the more likely risk was being blackmailed and/or caught by someone like the press than being caught in a bust. Maybe he really didn’t know about trafficking and thought that it’d be so low on anyone’s radar that a sting wasn’t even on his mind? Or maybe he wasn’t thinking with the right head at all?
 
I agree with all of that. I think a lot of people thought that before too though. Trump just says it really loud.

plus I think the media plays a role also, Hispanics seem more sympathetic for liberals than Europeans or Asians-at least they are more newsworthy for liberals and their war on trump?
 
Maybe he just didn’t think he’d get caught? What are the odds? I heard one person say that some people think that maybe he thought he’d be less likely to be recognized at a place like that than if he hired a “classier” service to his home or to a fancy hotel where it’d be more likely for someone to figure out or notice who he is. That they could blackmail him with it easier. Maybe that’s BS, I can’t put myself in his mind. Maybe he thought the more likely risk was being blackmailed and/or caught by someone like the press than being caught in a bust. Maybe he really didn’t know about trafficking and thought that it’d be so low on anyone’s radar that a sting wasn’t even on his mind? Or maybe he wasn’t thinking with the right head at all?

He was wearing a baseball hat in disguise so he had all his bases covered...or were they all uncovered????
 
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