Donald Trump running for president

Jiigzz said:
The problem with humans is that we are really good at changing on a whim, and even concealing who we really are. Sometimes we even fool ourselves.

We allow our emotions and impulses to guide our thinking, and some of our worst decisions are made in these moments. How many times have we said things to our friends, partners, colleagues and family that didn't need to be said? For some people, these fits of emotion have led to fights we normally wouldn't get involved in.

A friend of mine once threw a chair at someone in high school which required the guy to get stitches and my friend stood down. The guy had it coming.

We never know how we will react until we are pushed beyond that threshold ourselves, and sometimes how we react surprises even us.

The point is, we cannot predict how someone will react under certain pressures. And even good people with even tempers can fall victim. We all like to think that we can control our temper but a lot of us can't. It requires skills we very rarely develop. In those moments the nicest people can turn killer, even if not intentionally.

We cannot assume that a criminal will always remain a criminal, or that those who are not yet, will always not be. When you pass laws you have to do so undiscriminantly, because you never know who's life you might be saving later.

You can make the laws harsher for violent criminals but that won't deter violence. You might even end up punishing those caught up in a moment of weakness. If they never intended to turn violent, how can the potential of a tougher sentence deter them from a crime they never intended to commit?
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No law is going to stop a criminal or stop someone from one of those bad moments. Hey, they give the death penalty for drug dealers here in China, so there is really nothing that will stop people from doing stupid crap. Then there is an issue that all violent criminals cant reform themselves, and thats not entirely fair as well. Except for repeat offenders, I have mixed feelings about harsher/longer penalties for violent criminals than what they already are, but I havent studied the topic well enough.
 
Jiigzz said:
A chair can hurt few, a gun can kill many. While you might not stop that offender offending, you can limit the harm he causes.

You cannot defend that. That is a fact regularly shown to us by what happens in the US.
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But a gun can save many many more, and protect people including millions of so many other less violent crime such as robbery, rape, assault, etc....not to even get into government genocide. So a benefit to try to avoid something than can be done by other means anyways and take out extreme benefits is no way to go about things.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm not disagreeing with that, my point was only to illustrate that saying that, since we have X number of gun homicides, say 5,000, if we removed every gun (assuming it is possible for the sake of the example), that we'd prevent the same X number (or 5,000) deaths. We'd prevent 5,000 gun deaths, but it is an absolute certainty that some of those homicides would still occur if the killer did not have access to guns. People are so quick to say how much higher the chances are of being killed by a gun in the US than in other counties, which creates a greatly exaggerated picture that the US is exponentially more dangerous than other counties, when the overall murder rate is somewhere around 10-20% higher than the other countries referenced, if that. Now, that's not nothing, and we can stand to reduce gun violence in the US, but we should look at the big picture and all possible outcomes, not just gun deaths. I do think it that we can improve the situation in the US, and we've agreed on some ideas already, I'm just a bit of a stickler for statistics and analysis.
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I wonder if you replace the population of NZ with the population of Chicago which has some 2 million less people if we would actually have the same murder rate in NZ under the same gun control laws. Im willing to bet it would get much, much higher even with 40% something less population. I would bet money on that one.

Statistics dont tell the whole story. Its more complicated imo that statistics can tell the whole story. As CJNator says, there is a cultural issue as well.
 
thebigt said:
i see they are changing their story...most detectives would tell you that changing stories or inconsistencies in telling of story is a definite RED FLAG!!!


THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE...
ax1
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I havent been following the story closely due to reasons but this whole thing so far smells like CIA to me.
 
ax1 said:
I havent been following the story closely due to reasons but this whole thing so far smells like CIA to me.
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they are changing the timeline...now they are saying the security guard was shot 6 minutes before before paddock started shooting into the crowd...this is a major change from the story 1st released.
 
thebigt said:
they are changing the timeline...now they are saying the security guard was shot 6 minutes before before paddock started shooting into the crowd...this is a major change from the story 1st released.
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My question is if he shot the security gaurd 6 mins prior to the shooting. How did no one hear it, and why wasnt more security alerted. And I thought the LVPD and witnesses said that police shot the security gaurd thinking he was with Paddock?
 
youngandfree said:
There's a reason we don't sing God Save The Queen here. :)
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Still makes no sense. You were colonised by the British. Then some british decided to call himself Anerican and declare independence. But he was still British originally.

FWIW I dont sing god save the queen either ;)
 
ax1 said:
But a gun can save many many more, and protect people including millions of so many other less violent crime such as robbery, rape, assault, etc....not to even get into government genocide. So a benefit to try to avoid something than can be done by other means anyways and take out extreme benefits is no way to go about things.
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Feel free to PM me when this actually happens
 
ax1 said:
I wonder if you replace the population of NZ with the population of Chicago which has some 2 million less people if we would actually have the same murder rate in NZ under the same gun control laws. Im willing to bet it would get much, much higher even with 40% something less population. I would bet money on that one.

Statistics dont tell the whole story. Its more complicated imo that statistics can tell the whole story. As CJNator says, there is a cultural issue as well.
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Im willing to bet the crime rate will be 0%, and all would actually reform and be stand up citizens.

Stop using fake scenarios with fake outcomes to back up real life issues
 
Jiigzz said:
Still makes no sense. You were colonised by the British. Then some british decided to call himself Anerican and declare independence. But he was still British originally.

FWIW I dont sing god save the queen either ;)
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Plus My Country Tis of Thee (our default national anthem until the Star-Spangeled Banner was made the official one) is just a rip off of God Save the Queen.
 
Jiigzz said:
Still makes no sense. You were colonised by the British. Then some british decided to call himself Anerican and declare independence. But he was still British originally.

FWIW I dont sing god save the queen either ;)
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You're right, the founders were originally British. But they declared independence and everyone since are American. And we are free from British rule. Unlike many of the other British colonies.
 
youngandfree said:
You're right, the founders were originally British. But they declared independence and everyone since are American. And we are free from British rule. Unlike many of the other British colonies.
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That's fair, and what I said was to just be smart. Im not anti gun, im just anti being shot
 
Jiigzz said:
Feel free to PM me when this actually happens
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Guns help people every day here in the USA both as a deterrent to crime, stopping crime and to save lives. Unfortunately they keep these stories primarily in local news here or just in the papers. Where there is far heavier influenced corporate and government agenda things appear much different.

Jiigzz said:
Im willing to bet the crime rate will be 0%, and all would actually reform and be stand up citizens.

Stop using fake scenarios with fake outcomes to back up real life issues
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Well, I shared my opinion and thought (you call it "fake") and acknowledge it was just my opinion/thought in that specific post, but dont think that for a second I would even consider halting this process and sharing it in public here. 0% chance, that is a fact.

It my opinion is also without factshytting that it is absolutely insane to think taking peoples guns away will result in a 0% crime rate, I mean like wow I cant believe even you would say something like that unless your just playing mind games with me, lol

If you want facts, I like the Detroit model when the police chief called out the citizens to bear arms admitting the police cant help you, you can only help yourself. Afterwards people started buying guns and crime rate and homicide rate both went down considerably.
 
ax1 said:
Guns help people every day here in the USA both as a deterrent to crime, stopping crime and to save lives. Unfortunately they keep these stories primarily in local news here or just in the papers. Where there is far heavier influenced corporate and government agenda things appear much different.



Well, I shared my opinion and thought (you call it "fake") and acknowledge it was just my opinion/thought in that specific post, but dont think that for a second I would even consider halting this process and sharing it in public here. 0% chance, that is a fact.

It my opinion is also without factshytting that it is absolutely insane to think taking peoples guns away will result in a 0% crime rate, I mean like wow I cant believe even you would say something like that unless your just playing mind games with me, lol

If you want facts, I like the Detroit model when the police chief called out the citizens to bear arms admitting the police cant help you, you can only help yourself. Afterwards people started buying guns and crime rate and homicide rate both went down considerably.
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Im just playing mind games lol. The truth is, noone knows what would happen.

At the end of the day im happy for you to be defending this with your life. I think everyone has valid points
 
Jiigzz said:
Im just playing mind games lol. The truth is, noone knows what would happen.

At the end of the day im happy for you to be defending this with your life. I think everyone has valid points
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Ok good I was hoping so....I know for a fact no matter what side of the issue on this your a smart dude, and probably a bit overall smarter and educated guy than I am.

Seriously, Im not a gun owner I fuqing hate guns, lol Its just the way I think and Im more about defending my personal access to them along with most other peoples who most here in the US are rather average to really nice people.
 
ax1 said:
Ok good I was hoping so....I know for a fact no matter what side of the issue on this your a smart dude, and probably a bit overall smarter and educated guy than I am.

Seriously, Im not a gun owner I fuqing hate guns, lol Its just the way I think and Im more about defending my personal access to them along with most other peoples who most here in the US are rather average to really nice people.
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I believe the same of you.

It's good to be able to debate issues, yet still have respect. And that I appreciate.
 
Jiigzz said:
Im just playing mind games lol. The truth is, noone knows what would happen.

At the end of the day im happy for you to be defending this with your life. I think everyone has valid points
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I didnt pull up put the Chicago people in NZ scenario for no reason btw.

Sometimes Im thinking as I walk around very late at night anywhere in Beijing or Shanghai or riding around the Subways late at night why I feel so comftably safe but I cant do this in NYC which I always run into or see crazy people all over the place, have people close to me mugged more than several times with a knife inside a subway over the years, stuff Ive seen Im not going to get into a full story. Its just a more polite society here (China where on vacation) when I walk around than the Bronx at night its high intense higher pressure watch my back try to survive feelings. Im really not worried about the "gun" usually its just violent crazy people looking to make a buck and they usually just like to use a knife. If I bring a gun with me for protection I go to prison if I get caught, cant get a license, nothing. Just a small knife and fighting skills is all I have. In China in cities 20 million+ just in Beijing and 20+ million in Shanghai I really feel fine and never run into trouble...except at the drunkard bar streets :) Just add...its not a 0 crime area here in China, not trying to give the impression of real safety.
 
Jiigzz said:
No they shouldn't, ideally, but they need to. You can't single out anyone or any group these days without probable cause, and so blanket rules need to be applied.

Not for everything mind you, but certainly in areas that can create large groups of vulnerable people
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I don’t think any groups or individual should be singled out without probable cause, that’s why the law and system need to change and/or be adaptable. So with new information the system can adjust itself to distort any biases.
 
ax1 said:
That wouldnt be entirely possible here in the USA. The USA is not a democratic country, it is a Constitutional Republic. What Im saying is if 80% of "law abiding citizens" want to then vote to take away the rights of the other 20% who have not infringed on the rights of others they are no longer loyal to their nation and state, they are non-law abiding criminals. The only loyalists no longer. Being law abiding does not assume you can infringe on others with guilty until proven innocent methodologies.

Not sure if that is exactly on topic with what your talking about but it is what it is :)
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Can we actually truly say what type of government this is? Maybe it’s a constitutional liberal democratic oligarchical republic lol. I do not care for this system of government whatever it is, we need a top to bottom system that’s adaptable to the culture. Every government is adaptable but our bureaucratic system makes it less adaptable.

Before any of that happens people need to realize our government system is a huge issue with how it’s perceived. That our materialism will be the death of America. We need a cultural shift to be antithetical to the chaos we have now.

Overall what I’m saying is that the idea of loyalism towards the state will not happen in this system of governance.
 
This is a interesting conversation about the cultural issues plus how male and female biology effect it. Invalid Link Removed
 
youngandfree said:
Then explain to the plebes why they bothered ruling on it when it had already expired? Why not have everyone just abstain?
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The Supreme Court receives 7-8 thousand cases each year and decides on about a hundred of those. Since there are multiple cases involving the travel bans and this one expired already, it should come as no surprise that it was dismissed. Let me know if you need me to draw pictures for you.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
My question is if he shot the security gaurd 6 mins prior to the shooting. How did no one hear it, and why wasnt more security alerted. And I thought the LVPD and witnesses said that police shot the security gaurd thinking he was with Paddock?
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the whole premise has changed, originally we were told that the security guard at the door was the reason why the shooting stopped...now they are saying that the security guard was shot before the shooting started...that is a HUGE turnaround!!!
 
the boy scouts have announced they will be letting girls join...soo- will there still be boys and girls scouts or just combine the two, this doesn't make much sense to me????
 
thebigt said:
the boy scouts have announced they will be letting girls join...soo- will there still be boys and girls scouts or just combine the two, this doesn't make much sense to me????
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Lol that's it I quit.... Stupid
What's wrong w people
 
thebigt said:
the boy scouts have announced they will be letting girls join...soo- will there still be boys and girls scouts or just combine the two, this doesn't make much sense to me????
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They'll still be separated. Dens have to be all boys or all girls. Some people would simply like the choice, but there will still be girl scouts. If you would like your daughter to learn practical skills then there is now an option. If you want your daughter to learn how to hang out in front of a grocery store and beg for money for over-priced cookies, that option will still be there.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
They'll still be separated. Dens have to be all boys or all girls. Some people would simply like the choice, but there will still be girl scouts. If you would like your daughter to learn practical skills then there is now an option. If you want your daughter to learn how to hang out in front of a grocery store and beg for money for over-priced cookies, that option will still be there.
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That's stupid bro... Its boy scouts and girl scouts for a reason. It doesnt make any sense.... What a weird time I'm living in
 
thebigt said:
the boy scouts have announced they will be letting girls join...soo- will there still be boys and girls scouts or just combine the two, this doesn't make much sense to me????
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I havent dug further but I heard he did travel back and forth to the middle east. Now, to me that doesnt necessarily mean anything bad at all, alot of nice places there to visit. I would go there too for good times, but I would try to figure out exactly where and why he was going there, assuming this is true...maybe.... I havent had time to blow the board up with exploding tin foil yet :)
 
Godstrength said:
That's stupid bro... Its boy scouts and girl scouts for a reason. It doesnt make any sense.... What a weird time I'm living in
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Before you keep using the word stupid and making yourself look ignorant, you need to look up the scouts and the programs like Venturing and Exploring that already allow girls. This is simply another program. This isn't new.
 
ax1 said:
I havent dug further but I heard he did travel back and forth to the middle east. Now, to me that doesnt necessarily mean anything bad at all, some nice plces there. I would go there too for good times, but I would try to figure out exactly where and why he was going there, assuming this is true...maybe.... I havent had time to blow the board up with explosive tin foil yet :)
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Are you linking the boy scouts with the Vegas shooter lol
 
Godstrength said:
Bro you're ignorant with your gay feminine Tendencies you post all the time. You want to play this game last time you told me you would make me look stupid your soft bro
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You mean when you private messaged me crying like a little bitch and apologized? And now you're seriously pulling this ****? Your insecurities are mind blowing. Your dick must be an innie. Wow. I post facts to save you from looking stupid because you're reacting without actually knowing the full story and that's your response. Just wow! You keep being you. Closeted and in denial.
 
CJNator said:
Can we actually truly say what type of government this is? Maybe it’s a constitutional liberal democratic oligarchical republic lol. I do not care for this system of government whatever it is, we need a top to bottom system that’s adaptable to the culture. Every government is adaptable but our bureaucratic system makes it less adaptable.

Before any of that happens people need to realize our government system is a huge issue with how it’s perceived. That our materialism will be the death of America. We need a cultural shift to be antithetical to the chaos we have now.

Overall what I’m saying is that the idea of loyalism towards the state will not happen in this system of governance.
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I dont know what kind of government we have, and thats a big problem!!!

Maybe the best was is to destroy government's ability to try to adapt to culture, but rather have them sit quietly aside behind the scenes giving their primary role being the protection of the right to people's culture. Government cannot possibly adapt to culture imo, there is no 1 culture power fits all system. Practicing non-interventionism and letting people govern their own cultures and lives would work. Only stepping to defend that right and then going back away.

Our bureaucratic system was all created over the years by government, it should simply be rolled back and restored to its original state which is close to nothing. Thats the fault of both government and I point my finger at people for begging for it.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Are you linking the boy scouts with the Vegas shooter lol
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I wouldnt be surprised if most of them were all on the same prescription meds :) Actually, I bet worse.

The public school system in Brooklyn wanted my nephew on drugs a few years back because he always was doing things.
 
Godstrength said:
"I have no problem taking and much as I do giving. Last time you went off on me how I was a joke and whatever, so I was just staying out of your way. If it's just two dudes breaking balls, I'm good with that. I just tend to step away if I think I've sincerely pissed somebody off because I don't mean anything I say on here to be malicious, except for CJ because that dudeis seriously racist as hell and I draw the line at trying to prove IQ is based on race. We're good though and I apologize for anything offenseive I said. Thank you for reaching out!"

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Oh you must mean the message where you said this.

Oh yeah I did reach out to you after you got your girly ***got feelings hurt. I didn't want your sensitive girly ***et feelings to be offended so I sent you a message trying to be a better man. But you know what bro it's all good you want some scientific proof I have five fingers four of them are pointed down my middle one pointed up f*** you you ***got
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Wow, what a little bitch. You leave your message out and edit mine. What am I offended about exactly? It's not worth getting into online...
 
ax1 said:
I dont know what kind of government we have, and thats a big problem!!!

Maybe the best was is to destroy government's ability to try to adapt to culture, but rather have them sit quietly aside behind the scenes giving their primary role being the protection of the right to people's culture. Government cannot possibly adapt to culture imo, there is no 1 culture power fits all system. Practicing non-interventionism and letting people govern their own cultures and lives would work. Only stepping to defend that right and then going back away.

Our bureaucratic system was all created over the years by government, it should simply be rolled back and restored to its original state which is close to nothing. Thats the fault of both government and I point my finger at people for begging for it.
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It couldn’t stay close to nothing, after breaking off from Britain this growth was inevitable, every great empire grows and falls once too big and that’ll be the cycle of government. If there isn’t any growth than there is destruction, by either itself or another. The government can and should adapt to the culture because the government should be made of the common people that want to make this world better. The common man that is willing to sacrifice his life to get to a position of power to make this nation better should have that opportunity.

I believe this nation should resort to pan nationalism to have individuals live in the tribes of their liking. The issue is that people called for more government and change without actually being involved in the change. Voting doesn’t count either, being involved is putting in time to get to a position of power.
 
Godstrength said:
"I have no problem taking and much as I do giving. Last time you went off on me how I was a joke and whatever, so I was just staying out of your way. If it's just two dudes breaking balls, I'm good with that. I just tend to step away if I think I've sincerely pissed somebody off because I don't mean anything I say on here to be malicious, except for CJ because that dudeis seriously racist as hell and I draw the line at trying to prove IQ is based on race. We're good though and I apologize for anything offenseive I said. Thank you for reaching out!"

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Oh you must mean the message where you said this.

Oh yeah I did reach out to you after you got your girly ***got feelings hurt. I didn't want your sensitive girly ***et feelings to be offended so I sent you a message trying to be a better man. But you know what bro it's all good you want some scientific proof I have five fingers four of them are pointed down my middle one pointed up f*** you you ***got
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I wasn’t being racist nor am I a racist, with new information brings ideas, I don’t care about being vilified yet I won’t be incorrectly vilified. I only care about being right, now I know about the Flynn Effect so I’ve been brought away from the that idea.
 
CJNator said:
I wasn’t being racist nor am I a racist, with new information brings ideas, I don’t care about being vilified yet I won’t be incorrectly vilified. I only care about being right, now I know about the Flynn Effect so I’ve been brought away from the that idea.
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You claimed whites naturally had higher IQs than blacks based on biased data that has the sole purpose of backing up racist ideas. You repeatedly defending that idea the several times that I called you out on it. If that thinking has changed, then great.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You claimed whites naturally had higher IQs than blacks based on biased data that has the sole purpose of backing up racist ideas. You repeatedly defending that idea the several times that I called you out on it. If that thinking has changed, then great.
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But I don’t nor ever thought IQs make people superior. I always knew consciousness is what makes man superior to others and conscious does not have a skin color.
 
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