Donald Trump running for president
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ax1
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Let me know if they ever release his medical reports and let the public know which pharma he was on. I did hear his father was on some serious stuff.
jswain34
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Lol you are cracking me up with this pharma stuff. What about the underlying condition (if there was one, I dont even know) for which he was potentially being medicated? Like why blame the medication when the underlying condition likely had much, much more to do with it? Added: By no means am I saying im a fan of these drugs, I just dont think its fair to say things like "what percentage were on these meds" when it could also be said "what percentage had anxiety/depression, etc".
Also, I highly doubt they release his medical records to the public. Im sure youve heard of HIPAA.
Edit: and what does his father's medication history have anything to do with it?
thebigt
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actually they did release part of his autopsy, there was nothing wrong with his brain. as far as medications I've not heard anything....but I'm sure the story will change numerous times in the next few days!!!
jswain34
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Nothing wrong with his brain in terms of structure and tissue makeup/composition is totally different than the neurotransmitter environment within the brain while he was alive. As far as I know, I dont think an autopsy normally examines that, or even if they can very easily after death.
Aleksandar37
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Exactly. They found no obvious evidence of tumors or structure abnormalities, but any psychosis would not have been confirmed.
jswain34
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ax1
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As far as I know most of these non-gang related mass shootings and many homicides involve patients on meds (or skipping meds) and there are alarming side effects that come with these meds (and withdrawal) listed on the booklets. The media doesnt want to upset its sponsors and barely covers this issue. Thats where I come in to change the world.
Of course if I was an investigator and would be looking into the medical history (and other things) of the immediate relatives, you may find red alarms there. Isnt a part of high level security clearance involve the psychiatric health history of ones parents? Im not saying psycho mother = psycho son, but a red alarm is a red alarm and involves further investigation. Genetics ^^%. I just bought the father up because I wanna know what meds he was on and his medical history. Its important and Id be shocked if this wasnt protocol of investigations on this scale.
Big problem I have is no independent clinical study has ever been run linking homicides to meds..this is what I would want so we can work to understand if there is a link and to see what we can do to improve the situation if alarmingly connected. I can go on and on but Im aware there isnt real data to prove anything at this point, so take my med rants as a grain of salt but I must continue them as this country is overly prescribed imo and there seems to be an alarming connection that needs professional investigating. I do wanna be clear I agree these meds have benefits for many as well, that’s not my issue.
jswain34
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Gonna reply by paragraph here:
Okay, I've already conceded that you may be right that the majority of these patients MAY be on meds. But that doesnt change my point that you cant necessarily blame the medication without taking into account that the patient has an underlying condition for which he or she is being medicated FOR. You cant inherently say "the SSRI did it" without considering "the depression for which the patient was taking the SSRI for did it". I totally agree that there are some nasty side effects, but, once again, there are also some nasty consequences of living with untreated severe depression/anxiety. I'm not 100% on the overlap between the symptoms and the side effects of the meds, but I'm guessing that there are quite a few that are the same on both lists. Also, your point about skipping meds doesn't necessarily back your argument, as that would be either due to withdrawal (patient noncompliance and stopping their meds without provider supervision or consultation). Not to mention if they had been skipping doses chronically that would further my argument (more of a stance or opinion than an argument) that the underlying condition was likely to blame more so than the medication.
Just because the investigator can subpoena for the subject's medical records doesnt mean they'll release them to the public, nor should they without the family giving them the okay to do so in my opinion. Whether or not he committed a heinous act against humanity, he still has a right to privacy regarding his medical record. To the next point, yes, there is a possibility that there was a genetic component to his father's psychiatric illness, but you said we should look at the medications he was taking, not the condition itself (I understand thats a minute detail and we should be able to infer what he had from the medications he was taking, but in the 50s and 60s, it wasnt always so black and white what the hell kind of crap they gave them for psych conditions as they were no where near understood to the degree that they are now).
That study is basically impossible. The only way you could prove the med was to blame is to have a group of mass murderers with untreated illness vs a group with 1 med vs a group with another med, etc. And you would need a whole **** pot full of mass murderers with diagnosed psychiatric conditions, so hopefully that never happens lol. It would also he very difficult to account for confounding variables in that study (eg: the underlying condition, they severity of said condition, etc). You are correct, there may be a CONNECTION between psych meds and mass murders, but is that due to the med, or from the mental illness they are taking the med because of? Hope you see what im saying, I feel like ive said the same thing like 8 times already so ill quit for the time being haha.
Jiigzz
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Here's the issue before we all jump the gun in this.
Media and police and been reporting on this since it happened. There has not been a moment that they have stopped. They've done this because people demand answers, and they want them now.
Sometimes that means reporting something before you've had a chance to verify it. Media are notorious for having contacts in the police who leak information that isn't confirmed. Media want to have the story first so they don't care, it just ends up making the police look dumb.
If it was the govt. the story would be airtight. They're not idiots. They wouldn't constantly change their opinion on what happened, and new evidence would reinforce what they already had scripted, not oppose it.
The media dont care about the truth, they just want the story
jswain34
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Although its unfortunate, I completely agree. And the sad part about the first paragraph is, even though the story would likely be air tight, there's no telling how much of it would be the truth.
Misfit28
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*mic drop*
Misfit28
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Off current topic, but still on the main topic here 
Anyone remember all those tweets Trump made about Obama signing executive orders because he couldn't get anything done? And the golf criticism. Yeah......
Also, Steve Bannon thinks the 25th Amendment may be invoked on Trump before the end of his term.
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Anyone remember all those tweets Trump made about Obama signing executive orders because he couldn't get anything done? And the golf criticism. Yeah......Also, Steve Bannon thinks the 25th Amendment may be invoked on Trump before the end of his term.
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Aleksandar37
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No brah, I'm soft for posting facts. The correct response broman is apparently to be offended by incorrect posts and then go off about closeted fantasies that you're supposed to suppress with overt religious hypocrisies lmao
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Aleksandar37
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It's like a competition between which is smaller, your brain or your ****. No wonder she constantly complains about you
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Misfit28
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Um, no. You're really pathetic, you know that?
Godstrength
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Oh this our forum relationship, I dont mean anything malicious ?
Misfit28
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The most hilarious part of this is that Godstrength is throwing around supposed "insults" about being gay.
Homophobe much, bro?
Does what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms affect you that much?
Homophobe much, bro?
Does what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms affect you that much?
thebigt
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I just thought of something. since gay men are now allowed to be scout leaders, this means girls are already in the boy scouts---don't some gay men refer to themselves as 'wifes'...on another note if a boy identifies as a girl he should be allowed in the girl scouts, right?
btw-the girl scouts don't seem to be real happy about this....
btw-the girl scouts don't seem to be real happy about this....
thebigt
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have you been following this story? cmon man, they went days sticking to the story that the security guard was shot after the shooting started calling him a hero for being the reason the shooting stopped...that is not a minor mistake!!!
apparently they didn't change the story until the security guard was interviewed and he told the media how it really happened. the media is doing a more accurate job of investigation than the police it would seem...this is not the only inconsistency either, other people in law enforcement are being openly critical of this investigation...cops usually stick up for each other, right?
Jiigzz
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So the media stuck to a story for ages, then changed it and they're the heroes?
Was an official statement released by the police to confirm he was shot after the shooting?
You don't think that if the govt was involved they would have killed the guy? Cmon man.
Cops also ALWAYS opening criticise investigations of this size, that doesnt make the criticisms valid.
Also, consider that the police CAN actually make errors in reporting. That doesn't mean it was intentional, and if they make an error they publicly announce it as such.
Murder investigations sometimes remove suspects only to later put them back in when new evidence comes to light. That is quite common.
Not everything is a cover up or conspiracy. I bet if this was a muslim or 'thug' noone would be as critical of the investigation as they are
MrKleen73
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If the boy scouts are now taking girls then they should just change the name to The Scouts... It it QUITE obvious this is a bastardization of the Boy Scouts. If you are taking the intended sexual discrimination out of the the organization then take it out of the name.... Don't leave yourself looking moronic.
Secondly and on the same note, how long do you guys think it will be before the lawsuit from some over sensitive girls parents sueing the boyscouts for thier sexually discriminating name, regardless of the fat they went out of the way to include them?
"Our Little Lilly still feels inadequate because every time she goes to a troop meeting she feels like she is of a lesser value because she is not a boy. That is just discriminatory and should not be allowed. We need 5 million in damages because Lilly cries when we make her go to Boy Scouts now..."
thebigt
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I am going to assume you haven't been following this story very closely...it is much kinder than to think you are that unintelligent, which I know you are not....
on a side note...I am not implying anything other than the many inconsistencies in this story.
thebigt
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I think it is only a matter of time-probably a short amount of time before it becomes THE SCOUTS...
youngandfree
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They also made mention that there were 200 rounds fired into the hallway, before he started shooting out the windows.
thebigt
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the question is WHEN did they make mention? after they media interviewed the security guard and the engineer?
Jiigzz
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Can you provide me with an official statement released by FBI about the security guard?
Jiigzz
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Who is they?
thebigt
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not to be a smartass, but you need to do a lot more research before commenting. going by your posts your are totally uninformed!!!
youngandfree
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Jiigzz
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I have been following it. I have been following the press releases as well. Simply link to where the investigators (in official press statements) have made comments about the security guard.
Jiigzz
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thebigt
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and they neglected to mention the hotel engineer who was on the 32nd floor when security guard was shot and initially called 911. I just found out about the engineer 2 days ago-over a week after the shooting-why didn't the police mention the engineer...it wasn't until he was interviewed by media that police verified the engineer was even there?????
so many facts that the police didn't mention until the media reports it really makes one wonder what they are up to...I wonder what other facts they are withholding, and why????
another thing...why wasn't the gunmans reno home secured? I wonder what the people who broke into the home were looking for?
ax1
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The govenment telling the story is a whole another issues which can go far beyond "airtight" since historically they have lied, lied and lied, and plotted to do some evil things. Its called propaganda, they are pretty good at it and its not shocking people are smart enough not to believe and question the fairytails they try to pull off on us from the very beginning.
The government only tells the truth when its convenient for them to do so, other than that they are a far greater ses pool than the media unless they control it by the way, which here in the USA by law they do to an extent.
ax1
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Off current topic, but still on the main topic here
Also, Steve Bannon thinks the 25th Amendment may be invoked on Trump before the end of his term.
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Other than different incredible Oscar performances, there really barely is any difference between Obama and Dump.
thebigt
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wake up, that is common knowledge to anyone who has actually been following the story...which you obviously have not!!!
just for your information---the shooting happened in las vegas Nevada, hope that helps....just sayin
ax1
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The biggest catastrophe in American policing history has been the consistent infiltration and overthrow of our local police forces by the Federal Government. The Constitution doesnt even authorize the FBI or any other Federal police force to exist. The founding fathers were right about that one.
Jiigzz
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Now let's read this part together: Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo on Monday presented an updated timeline of events for the Las Vegas gunman who killed 58 people and himself in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Hmmm, updated timeline.
Then there is this:
In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”
So it was only an assumption that the guard was the reason for the shooting to stop. Once they had dispelled this, they corrected the timeline.
This is how investigations work. You present ideas, then you seek to validate them. The assumption was based on this being the only rational explanation for why the shooting stopped . The problem with assumptions is that people take that to mean 'this is what happened'. But Joseph Lombardo has explicity stated, 'assumption'.
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All i'm saying is, be prepared for the official statement to change as the investigation continues. The investigation is not complete. So don't take that to mean retracted or amended statements are a cover up.
Hmmm, updated timeline.
Then there is this:
In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”
So it was only an assumption that the guard was the reason for the shooting to stop. Once they had dispelled this, they corrected the timeline.
This is how investigations work. You present ideas, then you seek to validate them. The assumption was based on this being the only rational explanation for why the shooting stopped . The problem with assumptions is that people take that to mean 'this is what happened'. But Joseph Lombardo has explicity stated, 'assumption'.
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All i'm saying is, be prepared for the official statement to change as the investigation continues. The investigation is not complete. So don't take that to mean retracted or amended statements are a cover up.
ax1
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Did you ever see the unedited interview with his brother? It was rather alarming, it smelled CIA all over.
Ill be back in the states next week I have alot of catching up to do with Vegas trying to have a good time here. I was on a tour group with Chinese elders, some part of Military/Navy most tell me Vegas is probably CIA, they dont watch infowars either, ROFL!!!!!!!
Until I see evidence we have an honest government its good I hear so many back at home (not just here) questioning the official story which usually comes from a propaganda ses pool.
Jiigzz
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While your being condescending, maybe you should Google the phrase, "ongoing investigation".
Yes there are holes, yes there are irregularities, but give it a few more weeks and expect those gaps to be filled.
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Las Vegas police defend shifting timeline of shooting, warn it could change again
It is sad, but let's not be so quick to deflect from the facts.
Aleksandar37
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Hey I suggested that days ago lol. You have multiple agencies dealing with an area that typically deals with drunk idiots and occassional violence from somebody that bet their life away.
thebigt
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this timeline indicates that the sheriffs people did not interview the security guard before the sheriff did interview, highly unlikely...and why no mention of hotel engineer who witnessed security guard getting shot, the same engineer who called it in to 911.
if I remember correctly the sheriff was doing multiple updates on sunday and had ample opportunity to correct his initial 'assumptions'.
btw-the mandalay bay does not agree with the 'corrected' timeline...of course this could be for legal reasons, but who really knows for sure.
Jiigzz
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I can absolutely agree that there are holes in the story, all I was initially saying was that it will change, as any investigation does as they try to piece it all together. I will be right behind any one who has convincing evidence of a cover up, but until that point it is dangerous to speculate
ax1
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There is going to be much more coming out from both the investigations and independent reporting, it’s only going to turn into a bigger clusterfuq as the years go by and I don’t think anybody but a select few will ever really know what happened and why...or maybe really only 1 guy knew and he isn’t with us anymore.