Donald Trump running for president

[ax1]

On climate change - I feel ax may enjoy this, lol.

When Trump announced our withdrawal from the Paris Accords, I felt that he had done the right thing.

Global warming is real, about 1.5°C in the last 250 years, and it is caused by human emission of greenhouse gases. That is a scientific judgement that I will stand behind, based on my own work and on that of my colleagues in the non-profit BerkeleyEarth.org.

I dunno if thats true, there is alot of bs out there which keeps me a skeptic. There are scientists that have stats that show its getting warmer, some its getting cooler and some thats its been just nice and steady. There have been manipulation of stats fed to scientists as well to cover up a cooling trend. Most importantly the real big debate is what causes climate change? Is it natural? Is it man? Is it the sun? Or is it the government's classified geoengineering programs? I dunno, we wont wont know which Ill remain a skeptic there are no answers out there, but Id start with the unclassification of governments geoengineering first and demand transparency which Dump of course is a big government monster who will never push for that, but instead continue to fund it.

Both Paris and global government AND Dump can all kiss my AZZ!!! None of them provide solutions to the claims they make anyways, just hand over our tax dollars and they will take care of it, right, ROFLLL!

 

[ax1]

We need to set the right example in nuclear by showing that we consider it to be a clean and safe technology. Among other things, we need to make it possible to license 4th generation nuclear plants in the US; they cannot be currently licensed! And we need to make it known to the outside world that disposal of nuclear waste is not a challenge, but is a solved problem.[/I]

Its all safe until WWIV kick in (Yes I said 4) and we all make precision strikes on each other's plants further expediting the end of humanity.

Damn, bout to eat sum yummy glowing florescent 3 eyed fish for breakfast important from Japan here in China, comes with rave music delivered by child labor. Life is good

 

[ax1]

Lol, not even close.

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Wow, the leading propaganda paper who helped misled the American public into the war in Iraq slaughtering and destroying the lives of 10s of millions of people. I trust them and buy two subscriptions delivered to my doorstep!

 

[ax1]

People who are opposed:

Ax1




97% of all papers on the matter agree Humans are contributing; all 3% opposed have vital flaws:

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Studies conclusioN: Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.

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I was never opposed, I just said Im a skeptic which I wonder how much truth this 97% really is being there is a mass whitewash of the climate change debate.

A whole nother debate is not just "humans" but what are humans really doing that makes a significant contribution to the global climate such as blowing the crap out of our ozone layer with over 1,000 nukes or what effects zapping the atmosphere with powerful microwaves may have, etc.....or is it because of hamburger farts?

 

[ax1]

I agree the paris climate accord won't accomplish much...what are scientists doing to 'REPAIR' the problem?

WTF they going to do if its all about solar activity?

WTF are we all going to do if we slow down this so called "global warming" and the sun all the sudden decides to be less active putting us in an ice age? Global warming could be our saving grace!!!

80s it was global cooling, 2010s was global warming until people found out scientific stats were hidden from scientists that the globe wasnt cooling at all right before a major global warming conference and then it just became "climate change" ROFL!!! who do you make this crap up?

BigT remember back in the 80s how they said its going to be the end of humanity because of the Rainforest was being destroyed?

Mark my words, in 10 years they will make up some other crisis and push for big government and higher taxes as a solution, who knows what will come next, but I think we will get back into ice age threats again, you watch.

 

[ax1]

The solution is actually not as difficult as people make it out to be. Countries need to rely less on fuel sources like coal and move nuclear.

That alone will make a dramatic impact

In developing countries this could mean economic collapse and famine, but dont worry that wont go on the news most of these countries dont have good natural resources and oil so there is nothing to gain from that.

 

[ax1]

The solution is actually not as difficult as people make it out to be. Countries need to rely less on fuel sources like coal and move nuclear.

That alone will make a dramatic impact

Wanna cut carbon? Lets start by getting these countries who you think give a damn about climate change to stop blowing the crap out of other countries causing genocides and famines. That will cut carbon for you. Once I see countries actually giving a damn about genocide rather than creating it maybe Ill look over to them for solutions.

 

[ax1]

Have you not heard of any of the huge changes some nations like China are making?

Synthetic meats to reduce carbon emissions produced by livestock (makes up the majority of all emissions)?

Electric cars?

Moves toward greener energy sources?

Legislation to ban non recyclable material?

The list is endless

Heck Elon is even trying to create a back up planet in case we F this one up

China is interested in becoming the globes economic powerhouse. They were trained by Maurice Strom on how to capitalize on peoples emotions, the UN guy who pushed for action on global cooling back in the 80s and got caught with the oil for food program ponzi scheme back in the 90s who hid as a wanted man in Beijing until he passed away not long ago.

China doesnt give a damn about climate change. If they can make more money destroying it they will, now the future is about other things which in some ways is certainly good but the intent isnt what you think it is.

 

[ax1]

Oh also I'm not truly convinced that global warming is man made btw.


Also read a theory today that made me laugh, and probably make you all laugh. It was saying the we should actually increase emissions to a point were are atmosphere is so dense that it actually reflects the sunlight and heat the comes with it. I call total b.s. on this, but it was by the ancient allien, botard, loser wanna be, fake ass, liar(sorry I hate that guy)

Sun has nothing to do with our climate, what makes you think that???? ROFL!!!!!!

Ok guys Im out, Im on vacation for almost a month, will always pop up but I may not be active as I usually am on the debate and may come on in clumps like just above. Ill always be active one way or another.

Hope you are all well, and be sure you all know Im a environmentalist and all about cleaning up the environment, Im just a skeptic when it comes to climate change, I have no freaking clue what is going on and why, I dont think we will know for sure, I dont believe in reactionary policies but I do believe there is alot we can do to make this a better place to live in and support many measures to modernize energy, waste, air, etc...

 

[hairygrandpa]

It doesn't matter if climate change is man made -or not.
We all should be interested in keeping our water supplies -and air clean.
Nobody can deny that diesel fumes -or industrial pollution is causing health problems.

On the other hand, I wouldn't like to buy a electric car, because a government forces me to do so, while the deciding senators are the shareholders of the car company -and the industrial complex who caused the problem.

 

[Aleksandar37]

look at history...the Egyptians, the greeks, the romans, the Persians,the Vikings, the French, the germans, the japanese---in the past they didn't have the capability to destroy mankind....just think the nuclear world is only around 70 years old, that is a mere blink of the eye.

How did you go from climate to nuclear war? lol

 

[CJNator]

Even if climate change wasn't man made, taking actions to see if we can determine whether or not is true would determine the next step after.

 

[thebigt]

I actually agree I am a big supporter of nuclear. It's cheaper, safer, and renewable. I've said this for years. Scientists have said this for even longer. Nuclear is the best by far without a doubt!!!!!!!!!!

However, I wonder even if we get rid of every bit of human caused co2 emissions(not caused by respiration I get this is a low %) would it fix anything? Seriously? I dont have any idea. I'm not educated enough to know. But I know we are at record high co2 and how would the co2 decrease? The amount of co2 being converted to o2 by plants, algae and certain fungi is not that much more than the natural respiration of oxygen breathing organism.(yes it is higher but not that much)

I guess you don't remember the fukshima power plant, eh? ever hear of a place called three mile island?...how about Chernobyl?...

what if instead of oil refineries those had been nuclear plants in Houston?


if we increase nuclear power this means additional risk from lets say a earthquake, maybe....guess it's good that mexico only has 2 nuclear power plants, eh?

 

[Jiigzz]

Woah woah woah, dont start harping on the World Series. Maybe because it's globally recognized that the MLB is the best professional baseball league in the world and baseball players from literally every country in the world (where the game is played) strive to make it to ONE place at the end of the day - the MLB.

Edit: Dont even try associating people getting upset about statues that they didnt give a shît about and the best baseball league in the world with the best players in the world (save maybe a handful who are working on coming to the MLB from Cuba, Japan, Puerto Rico, Dominican, etc) calling their championship the World Series. Bit of a stretch.

No, it isnt lol. They just call it the world series despite the world not being in it

It is the National Series. If im a world champion powerlifter, that means outside of the country I live.

Not knocking the sport, just the name.

 

[Jiigzz]

Wow, the leading propaganda paper who helped misled the American public into the war in Iraq slaughtering and destroying the lives of 10s of millions of people. I trust them and buy two subscriptions delivered to my doorstep!

Ignore you published the article, just read it for the author

 

[Jiigzz]

I was never opposed, I just said Im a skeptic which I wonder how much truth this 97% really is being there is a mass whitewash of the climate change debate.

A whole nother debate is not just "humans" but what are humans really doing that makes a significant contribution to the global climate such as blowing the crap out of our ozone layer with over 1,000 nukes or what effects zapping the atmosphere with powerful microwaves may have, etc.....or is it because of hamburger farts?

A big part of the ice age was global warming caused by immense emissions the animals at the time produced (similar to now)

 

[thebigt]

A big part of the ice age was global warming caused by immense emissions the animals at the time produced (similar to now)

life is fragile...enjoy it!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

Yep we had soft ball in the Olympics and the USA one all but once I get that, that isn't BASEBALL, but the results would be the same. The USA would win. Just like basketball, football(I know not in Olympics), etc pretty much everything not soccer or hockey that has major money. As the USA puts entertainment above all and is one of the riches nations(if not the most idk the current numbers) so the money's here for major money sports making them move here leading to future generations (ie current generations) to compete and win at the highest level here in the USA. As you can see in the Olympics who has the most medal and by how much??? It's all about the money. Oh and also the breading we did but that is a different but sadder/horrible story.

Actually, per capita the US came 43rd at the Olympics. NZ came third

Total medals you won, but that happens when you flood the Olympics with your athletes and have one of the largest populations in the world. So when you account for population, the US placed quite low

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We got 4 gold with a population of 4 million. 1 gold per million. You guys got 43? Gold, with a population of 360million+.

One gold roughly per 10 million.

 

[rtmilburn]

I guess you don't remember the fukshima power plant, eh? ever hear of a place called three mile island?...how about Chernobyl?...

what if instead of oil refineries those had been nuclear plants in Houston?


if we increase nuclear power this means additional risk from lets say a earthquake, maybe....guess it's good that mexico only has 2 nuclear power plants, eh?

Well those are very few examples nuclear reactor meltdown is insanely rare. Also that's why you don't use them in high risk areas of flooding or earthquakes. How many oil spill, explosions, fires, pollution, etc have been caused by oil and coal? Way way way more then can easily be counted

 

[Jiigzz]

In developing countries this could mean economic collapse and famine, but dont worry that wont go on the news most of these countries dont have good natural resources and oil so there is nothing to gain from that.

You may not know this, but the warming of the climate is causing huge issues for crop yields for areas not used to warmer climates.

Crops are struggling to grow, and pathogens that breed in warmer climates are eating away at food supplies.

Believe me, there will be famine if we do nothing. An overwhelming number of climate scientists (97% of all published research agrees) that we can reduce the impact of carbon of we act now.

Carbon cycles have and always will have huge influence over the earths climate.

Yet we'd rather trust the views of the minority because "im skeptical".

97% vs 3% and yet there is still debate. Our great great grandchildren will be thinking "how is it that with all the evidence in the world pointing to this happening, we still did nothing".

you ever hear of the mistakes hitler made during the war on the eastern front? His generals were begging him for him to see things one way, but he chose to stand alone and go another. The push on moscow being one. Attacking the Soviets was another.

His mistakes cost Germany the war. Him declaring war on the US despite being told not to cost him the war. All the actions of one man despite the overwhelming consensus not to, cost Germany the war. The 3% won, and yet we never learn

 

[rtmilburn]

Actually, per capita the US came 43rd at the Olympics. NZ came third

Total medals you won, but that happens when you flood the Olympics with your athletes and have one of the largest populations in the world. So when you account for population, the US placed quite low

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We got 4 gold with a population of 4 million. 1 gold per million. You guys got 43? Gold, with a population of 360million+.

One gold roughly per 10 million.

Haha touche'

 

[Jiigzz]

Haha touche'

FWIW, I appreciate every one is here's opinions whether I agree or not. I think that's what makes this thread so great for discussion.

So any time you guys feel I am personally attacking you or things you value, just know that I am not. It's all for the sake of (sometimes heated) discussion.

 

[rtmilburn]

Edit. Double post

 

[Jiigzz]

As for the World Series and Olympics, im just baiting you all.

Smaller countries efforts are often brushed aside because they count medals and rank countries on a total basis rather than a per capita basis. Countries that send one athlete, yet win gold should be celebrated as well but are often neglected. 1 medal looks less impressive than 100+, but per athletes sent and population of country, it could mean #1 in the world

 

[thebigt]

Well those are very few examples nuclear reactor meltdown is insanely rare. Also that's why you don't use them in high risk areas of flooding or earthquakes. How many oil spill, explosions, fires, pollution, etc have been caused by oil and coal? Way way way more then can easily be counted

every form of energy comes with risk...enough windmills might wipe out the bird population, lol.

it is a very serious topic, but I try to roll with the punches since I have very little control over what will happen. I think there is a better chance of my being killed by a drunk driver than dying from climate change.

 

[ax1]

A big part of the ice age was global warming caused by immense emissions the animals at the time produced (similar to now)

Maybe, or maybe the sun increased its activity. Doesnt take alot to change the globe. Maybe it was both. Maybe the aliens had something to do with it. Good thing most dinosaurs died anyways, I dont get along with them well

 

[ax1]

You may not know this, but the warming of the climate is causing huge issues for crop yields for areas not used to warmer climates.

Assuming thats true anyways as major research center (hidden from scientists though )had the globe not warming at all the past 10 years. If solar activity decreases Im sure it will start cooling overnight.

There is no reason people anywhere in the world should starve, there is more thrown out every day to feed the entire world twice every single day. I wont even get into the food culture where people overindulge, its ridiculous.

There is no food shortage, or ever will be....and by the time there is if we hadnt blow the globe up with nukes yet modern technology would be able to overcome all obstacles in any time of food crisis. If you want something thats man made its the illusion that there is or will be a food shortage.

 

[ax1]

Carbon cycles have and always will have huge influence over the earths climate.

Lets pretend it is at that we contribute anything significant which I am highly skeptical of, whats one's loss is someone else's gain. I live in NY and hate cold weather.

What if there is a volcano anyways, there is carbon for you. Lets hope that never happens

 

[Aleksandar37]

I guess you don't remember the fukshima power plant, eh? ever hear of a place called three mile island?...how about Chernobyl?...

what if instead of oil refineries those had been nuclear plants in Houston?


if we increase nuclear power this means additional risk from lets say a earthquake, maybe....guess it's good that mexico only has 2 nuclear power plants, eh?

You're making wild claims here again based on what the media has fed you and not what actually happened. Chernobyl and Fukushima were major, but 1) we learned from them and 2) they were not under our control. If you're banging the Three Mile Island drum, then you really don't know what you're talking about. You could have been camping next to that station when the accident occurred and you'd be fine. Part of it still continues to run!

And you're asking what if an oil refinery was a nuclear plant?! You're actually asking what if the more dangerous of the two (which you don't seem to have a problem with even though you're citing one of many accidents related to it) was the safer one? What if a magical unicorn came down? What if lol

Earthquakes are a major concern, but they are for many things and we have learned lessons from Fukushima. Also, one thing that nuclear power plants don't do, cause earthquakes. However, ask anybody in Texas or Oklahoma that has to deal with the earthquakes caused by fracking on how "safe" they feel about that technology.

Supplying people with power has always been a dirty and dangerous job. Coal mining and working on an off shore oil rig is about as dangerous as it comes. I would recommend reading more about nuclear energy and what the real risks are and not what hollywood has created. I'm not calling you out specifically because this is a very real thing for most people. Just talking about nuclear energy typically invokes fear, but it's not based in the actual facts.

 

[ax1]

97% vs 3% and yet there is still debate. Our great great grandchildren will be thinking "how is it that with all the evidence in the world pointing to this happening, we still did nothing".

Assuming your going by biased numbers, hopefully our children will look back at how ridiculous people were. 97% said global cooling, then 98% said Amazon, then 99% said Warming, then wtf its not supposed to get warm or cold so its the climate, then hamburger meat and then attack of the bees, aliens came, how can humans not stop solar activity, ROFL!!!! its endless and needs to stop.

All this at a time 200 years from now it will probably be global freezing and they curse at us because we stopped "global warming!"

 

[Jiigzz]

Lets pretend it is at that we contribute anything significant which I am highly skeptical of, whats one's loss is someone else's gain. I live in NY and hate cold weather.

What if there is a volcano anyways, there is carbon for you. Lets hope that never happens

I just highly encourage you be skeptical for the right reason

 

[ax1]

His mistakes cost Germany the war. Him declaring war on the US despite being told not to cost him the war. All the actions of one man despite the overwhelming consensus not to, cost Germany the war. The 3% won, and yet we never learn

What probably cost him the war is that Rosevelt had to make it illegal for US polititions to finance hitler with the Trading with the Enemies act to stop the Bush family and US banking from financing him which they continued to do even after we declared war on the Nazi's. No money no bullets. Prescott Bush kept doing well of course even though he is a Nazi war criminal and all else is history after than with his son and grandson.

 

[ax1]

I just highly encourage you be skeptical for the right reason

Im a 100% pro environment and pro- quality of life, Im all for real change that will really help people but it has to make economic sense for all too and gradually change into the next modern age of technology and innovation.

We have alot more in common than this debate my friend.

 

[thebigt]

You're making wild claims here again based on what the media has fed you and not what actually happened. Chernobyl and Fukushima were major, but 1) we learned from them and 2) they were not under our control. If you're banging the Three Mile Island drum, then you really don't know what you're talking about. You could have been camping next to that station when the accident occurred and you'd be fine. Part of it still continues to run!

And you're asking what if an oil refinery was a nuclear plant?! You're actually asking what if the more dangerous of the two (which you don't seem to have a problem with even though you're citing one of many accidents related to it) was the safer one? What if a magical unicorn came down? What if lol

Earthquakes are a major concern, but they are for many things and we have learned lessons from Fukushima. Also, one thing that nuclear power plants don't do, cause earthquakes. However, ask anybody in Texas or Oklahoma that has to deal with the earthquakes caused by fracking on how "safe" they feel about that technology.

Supplying people with power has always been a dirty and dangerous job. Coal mining and working on an off shore oil rig is about as dangerous as it comes. I would recommend reading more about nuclear energy and what the real risks are and not what hollywood has created. I'm not calling you out specifically because this is a very real thing for most people. Just talking about nuclear energy typically invokes fear, but it's not based in the actual facts.

I just reread my post...I seriously don't see any wild claims...it's Friday, you drinking already?

 

[Jiigzz]

Im a 100% pro environment and pro- quality of life, Im all for real change that will really help people but it has to make economic sense for all too and gradually change into the next modern age of technology and innovation.

We have alot more in common than this debate my friend.

The problem is people refuse to accept it is manmade, so they can justify doing nothing.

Id much rather trust the majority of research, than simply deny it for the sake of denying it.

What makes it worse (and im guilty of this) is assuming that because the world has gone through periods like this before that we should do nothing now.

 

[Aleksandar37]

I just reread my post...I seriously don't see any wild claims...it's Friday, you drinking already?

Not yet, but I have some bourbon set for later because I have self control

 

[ax1]

The problem is people refuse to accept it is manmade, so they can justify doing nothing.

Id much rather trust the majority of research, than simply deny it for the sake of denying it.

What makes it worse (and im guilty of this) is assuming that because the world has gone through periods like this before that we should do nothing now.

And why should people accept highly questionable unsettled science? Thats the problem I have, manmade political dogmatism. Im out for the truth and its not out there when it comes to "manmade" global warming especially when we have highly classified geoengineering projects going on and facts that have been concealed and distorted by government agencies and special interests with global temperatures. How much of this so called "majority" even have accurate stats? Do they have the original stats that were concealed by a major science department that had global temperatures not rising at all for over a decade? I find it hard to believe its 97% majority, there is alot of whitewashing and politics going on and its easy to get these poll type numbers your looking for, and using a "majority support" can be used for political pull which isnt science. I really think its impossible that even 1% has conclusive evidence especially when most of them dont even know everything. Its completely irrational to believe all this baloney, I hope more people are questioning this "climate change man made" dogmatism more so than less as that would be a let down.

 

[thebigt]

Not yet, but I have some bourbon set for later because I have self control

lol...good for you!!!:beerchug:

 

[youngandfree]

And why should people accept highly questionable unsettled science? Thats the problem I have, manmade political dogmatism. Im out for the truth and its not out there when it comes to "manmade" global warming especially when we have highly classified geoengineering projects going on and facts that have been concealed and distorted by government agencies and special interests with global temperatures. How much of this so called "majority" even have accurate stats? Do they have the original stats that were concealed by a major science department that had global temperatures not rising at all for over a decade? I find it hard to believe its 97% majority, there is alot of whitewashing and politics going on and its easy to get these poll type numbers your looking for, and using a "majority support" can be used for political pull which isnt science. I really think its impossible that even 1% has conclusive evidence especially when most of them dont even know everything. Its completely irrational to believe all this baloney, I hope more people are questioning this "climate change man made" dogmatism more so than less as that would be a let down.

It's 97% according to Cook's research that this article talks about. It's 97% of the papers written in response to his study, no where close to being 97% of all scientists. Which again is another misleading falsehood used to drive the narrative.
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[thebigt]

kingjames, lol....even ali wasn't that vain!!!

 

[thebigt]

I was curious to see what percentage of nfl fans support trump...the best I could come up with says that registered republicans are 27% more likely to be nfl fans than registered democrats....

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL.....

 

[Aleksandar37]

I was curious to see what percentage of nfl fans support trump...the best I could come up with says that registered republicans are 27% more likely to be nfl fans than registered democrats....

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL.....

Screw the politics combined with sports crap. One of many reasons I stick with hockey!

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Screw the politics combined with sports crap. One of many reasons I stick with hockey!

Maybe Trump, will give Zeke a Presidential Pardon, and then there would be nothing the good ol' commish Roger "the ********" Goodell could do to him. Lol

 

[Aleksandar37]

Maybe Trump, will give Zeke a Presidential Pardon, and then there would be nothing the good ol' commish Roger "the ********" Goodell could do to him. Lol

I could actually see that happening lol

 

[CJNator]

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Interesting video, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

 

[DemntedCowboy]

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Interesting video, what's everyone's thoughts on this?

Bro, if you know German, read Mein Comf, not the English translated version. It will blow your mind.

 

[thebigt]

Screw the politics combined with sports crap. One of many reasons I stick with hockey!

I haven't really followed football much since peyton retired, but I will tune in tomorrow to see how this plays out...more out of curiosity than anything else, to be honest.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I haven't really followed football much since peyton retired, but I will tune in tomorrow to see how this plays out...more out of curiosity than anything else, to be honest.

Screw Payton, he's a joke. I couldn't sack him in Highschool, but I sacked Eli. And look at me now. I went to the Army and work for the VA while they are both millionaires. I showed them. Lol
They have 4 Superbowl Rings between the 2 of them and I have a government pension. Granted they are better than their dad but will never be better than Cooper who never had the chance.

 

[thebigt]

Screw Payton, he's a joke. I couldn't sack him in Highschool, but I sacked Eli. And look at me now. I went to the Army and work for the VA while they are both millionaires. I showed them. Lol

if it means anything, you have my respect!!!

 

[DemntedCowboy]

if it means anything, you have my respect!!!

I was just making a joke of it all, but I did miss Payton, while I sacked Eli....But if Cooper was still playing neither of them would be heard of cause he was Edleman worthy. I respect Payton he was a Senior my sophmore year and I missed him and they scored a TD on that play. Eli got sacked and fumbled kind of how he does now. Lol