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thebigt said:
I haven't really followed football much since peyton retired, but I will tune in tomorrow to see how this plays out...more out of curiosity than anything else, to be honest.
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I'll be following because of fantasy football. I don't care if they sit or stand as long as they get me points lol
 
You know actually the best game I remember in HS we played this team that they said they converted an Olineman to RB and we where like we are gonna crush these guys. That RB was Amhad Bradshaw. He had like 225 yards and 3 TD's. LOL
 
I’m a giants fan... not a fan politics in sports distracting my sport with bs, there is a time and place for everything my sports shouldn’t be one of them. I watch sports to get away from life’s bs. If it was for real issues I may feel differently but people like Kapernick are hypocritical cowards who protest until they need a job.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
You know actually the best game I remember in HS we played this team that they said they converted an Olineman to RB and we where like we are gonna crush these guys. That RB was Amhad Bradshaw. He had like 225 yards and 3 TD's. LOL
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Damn. Sounds like you had chances to play with quite a few people. That's impressive!
 
ax1 said:
And why should people accept highly questionable unsettled science? Thats the problem I have, manmade political dogmatism. Im out for the truth and its not out there when it comes to "manmade" global warming especially when we have highly classified geoengineering projects going on and facts that have been concealed and distorted by government agencies and special interests with global temperatures. How much of this so called "majority" even have accurate stats? Do they have the original stats that were concealed by a major science department that had global temperatures not rising at all for over a decade? I find it hard to believe its 97% majority, there is alot of whitewashing and politics going on and its easy to get these poll type numbers your looking for, and using a "majority support" can be used for political pull which isnt science. I really think its impossible that even 1% has conclusive evidence especially when most of them dont even know everything. Its completely irrational to believe all this baloney, I hope more people are questioning this "climate change man made" dogmatism more so than less as that would be a let down.
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97% for is not questionable.

An inability to grasp science is not an argument against it
 
ax1 said:
And why should people accept highly questionable unsettled science? Thats the problem I have, manmade political dogmatism. Im out for the truth and its not out there when it comes to "manmade" global warming especially when we have highly classified geoengineering projects going on and facts that have been concealed and distorted by government agencies and special interests with global temperatures. How much of this so called "majority" even have accurate stats? Do they have the original stats that were concealed by a major science department that had global temperatures not rising at all for over a decade? I find it hard to believe its 97% majority, there is alot of whitewashing and politics going on and its easy to get these poll type numbers your looking for, and using a "majority support" can be used for political pull which isnt science. I really think its impossible that even 1% has conclusive evidence especially when most of them dont even know everything. Its completely irrational to believe all this baloney, I hope more people are questioning this "climate change man made" dogmatism more so than less as that would be a let down.
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Even your conspiracy has conspiracy. You believe nothing, and so you dont get anywhere. That is not my problem, but it's people like you who even question if the world is in fact round.

I believe, in fact that it is your argument that is agenda based. People refuse to accept global warming because that means increased costs for giant corporations and a shift from fossil fuels which the US has gone, and stayed in war repeatedly for.

Are you all for war? Is that why you refuse to accept global warming?

Ib be more inclined to think that those against global warming do so because ot hurts their interests.
 
ax1 said:
It totally is questionable because that 97% number is a total complete farce.
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Put it this way, there are a lot more people supporting global warming thsn there are against.

By the same virtue, there are still people out there who believe the earth is flat - some of them highly reputable. That doesn't make it true.
 
Jiigzz said:
Even your conspiracy has conspiracy. You believe nothing, and so you dont get anywhere. That is not my problem, but it's people like you who even question if the world is in fact round.

I believe, in fact that it is your argument that is agenda based. People refuse to accept global warming because that means increased costs for giant corporations and a shift from fossil fuels which the US has gone, and stayed in war repeatedly for.

Are you all for war? Is that why you refuse to accept global warming?

Ib be more inclined to think that those against global warming do so because ot hurts their interests.
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Fwiw I dont actually think you believe this, but if I make the argument It makes you look bad. That doesn't mean I got it right, but this is how i feel you argue for and against issues lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Even your conspiracy has conspiracy. You believe nothing, and so you dont get anywhere. That is not my problem, but it's people like you who even question if the world is in fact round.

I believe, in fact that it is your argument that is agenda based. People refuse to accept global warming because that means increased costs for giant corporations and a shift from fossil fuels which the US has gone, and stayed in war repeatedly for.

Are you all for war? Is that why you refuse to accept global warming?

Ib be more inclined to think that those against global warming do so because ot hurts their interests.
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Thats the problem with you climate extremists, you take this crap too seriously making emotional irrational decisions and then start resorting to immature ad-hominem attacks and start throwing the CIA created conspiracy theory slogan around and start talking about the big foot and lockness monsters to anyone with opposing views.

Look, you might be right you might be wrong, one thing Im 100% sure is there are no conclusive facts and Id rather be throwing the little money we have during this economic crisis at real change to help people and the environment rather than questionable scientific political folklore Al-gore created.

Climate change has nothing to do with war, if you actually pay attention to anything I say you will know Im the most anti-war person on this entire forum but thats an entirely different issue. Climate changes, it always has and always will. It warms, it cools, right now it may have cooled over the past 15 years depending on what stats you go by, but it certainly looks like if there even was warming it significantly slowed down but hey it all could be from the sun depending on what climate scientist you ask. Maybe its the governments geo-engineering projects, until we fight for transparancy and unclassify these projects to the public we dont know. Have you ever even looked at the types of patents we have had over the past few decades or looked into the Environmental Modification Convention along with other eye alarming events and projects that have occurred or do you just think naively that everything is a conspiracy and the world is flat?

Climate changes?....of course it changes. There is nothing you can do to stop it and messing around with geo-engineering to patch things up can have dire consequences as well.
 
Jiigzz said:
Put it this way, there are a lot more people supporting global warming thsn there are against.

By the same virtue, there are still people out there who believe the earth is flat - some of them highly reputable. That doesn't make it true.
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There are alot more people that voted for Dump and Hitlery here in the USA than voted for someone who supports real peace and prosperity, why should I give a crap what the majority think???? ROFL!

Majority sometimes simply means majority are brainwashed. When the majority wants to take action on highly questionable inconclusive pre-mature and politically/corporately/banking infiltrated issues we are going to have problems.
 
ax1 said:
Thats the problem with you climate extremists, you take this crap too seriously making emotional irrational decisions and then start resorting to immature ad-hominem attacks and start throwing the CIA created conspiracy theory slogan around and start talking about the big foot and lockness monsters to anyone with opposing views.

Look, you might be right you might be wrong, one thing Im 100% sure is there are no conclusive facts and Id rather be throwing the little money we have during this economic crisis at real change to help people and the environment rather than questionable scientific political folklore Al-gore created.

Climate change has nothing to do with war, if you actually pay attention to anything I say you will know Im the most anti-war person on this entire forum but thats an entirely different issue. Climate changes, it always has and always will. It warms, it cools, right now it may have cooled over the past 15 years depending on what stats you go by, but it certainly looks like if there even was warming it significantly slowed down but hey it all could be from the sun depending on what climate scientist you ask. Maybe its the governments geo-engineering projects, until we fight for transparancy and unclassify these projects to the public we dont know. Have you ever even looked at the types of patents we have had over the past few decades or looked into the Environmental Modification Convention along with other eye alarming events and projects that have occurred or do you just think naively that everything is a conspiracy and the world is flat?

Climate changes?....of course it changes. There is nothing you can do to stop it and messing around with geo-engineering to patch things up can have dire consequences as well.
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I won't discuss environmental manipulation, as the energy required to do much of anything is so immense, we literally cannot comprehend it.

But we'll agree to disagree on the other things.

Edit: I see where you are getting most of your information from. Breitbart.

Unfortunately, they do what all media do and get things wrong, or use local temp data in an attmept to disprove global temp data (specifically from the medieval period). Breitbart is using temp data from the Northern Hemisphere, but ignoring data from the Southern (where temps dropped during the same period), and also have ignored temp data from areas like the pacific.

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I know how much you love Breitbart, but they are just as fallible as any media
 
Jiigzz said:
97% for is not questionable.

An inability to grasp science is not an argument against it
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Sure it is if you don't quantify where 97% comes from. The link I posted references the study where the 97% myth comes from. It's not 97% of all climate scientists.
 
Jiigzz said:
Put it this way, there are a lot more people supporting global warming thsn there are against.

By the same virtue, there are still people out there who believe the earth is flat - some of them highly reputable. That doesn't make it true.
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Same argument can be made that man caused global warming. :)
 
youngandfree said:
Same argument can be made that man caused global warming. :)
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Not when the majority of data supports it. If the evidence is there in abundance (there is a scientific consensus that it is man made) then it is up to those opposed to disprove it. People keep harping on about Ice Age this, Medieval Period that, but neglect to note that the science already addresses those issues, AND still they find consensus.

Globally accepted.
 
I recorded the 1oclock colts game, just watched 15 minutes of it....alright, it will be at least another year before I watch nfl again...I seriously didn't remember football being so boring!!!
 
Jiigzz said:
I won't discuss environmental manipulation, as the energy required to do much of anything is so immense, we literally cannot comprehend it.

But we'll agree to disagree on the other things.

Edit: I see where you are getting most of your information from. Breitbart.

Unfortunately, they do what all media do and get things wrong, or use local temp data in an attmept to disprove global temp data (specifically from the medieval period). Breitbart is using temp data from the Northern Hemisphere, but ignoring data from the Southern (where temps dropped during the same period), and also have ignored temp data from areas like the pacific.

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Actually, I never go to Breif-fart and as a matter of fact you go on there more than I do.

Your going to get different stats from different scientists so get over it. The climate changes, whatever I dont care we cant change what has been going on for millions of years. We need to focus on whats really going to help people and real environment issues. Its not fair to scientists they cant have opposing views just cause Breif-fart posted something.

Your going to miss a home run if we dont prepare to adapt to nature. Hundreds of years from now our great great great grandchildren are going to curse at us for not preparing for them, whatever that is because we just dont know we cant even get the 7 day forecast right.
 
Jiigzz said:
Not when the majority of data supports it. If the evidence is there in abundance (there is a scientific consensus that it is man made) then it is up to those opposed to disprove it. People keep harping on about Ice Age this, Medieval Period that, but neglect to note that the science already addresses those issues, AND still they find consensus.

Globally accepted.
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The majority of data available to scientists that is and not kept from them in order to push political political agenda and multi-trillion dollar contracts.
 
youngandfree said:
Sure it is if you don't quantify where 97% comes from. The link I posted references the study where the 97% myth comes from. It's not 97% of all climate scientists.
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Im going with the majority thats why Im a skeptic. Climate science is overall to pre-mature to conclusively understand what is happening and why. 100% majority that is, which is 3% more than that 97% claim. Some might be on the right track, Ill just say keep going at it. And the majority of science dont have all the data accessible to them or even our highly classified geoengineering war technology, being that we already blew up 1,000+ nukes in our atmosphere possible contributing to the whole in the ozone later Im 100% positive there is alot worse crap we do to. So majority it is to have common sense and logic and be a healthy skeptic and focus on modernizing technology for real change that will both help the economy and our environment.
 
ax1 said:
The majority of data available to scientists that is and not kept from them in order to push political political agenda and multi-trillion dollar contracts.
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It's incredibly hard to hide journal articles from scientists. People put their blood and sweat into those, and kick up HUGE fusses if they don't get published.

I think you assume may too much cooperation between nations for things like this. Govts. Disagree over even petty things
 
Jiigzz said:
It's incredibly hard to hide journal articles from scientists. People put their blood and sweat into those, and kick up HUGE fusses if they don't get published.

I think you assume may too much cooperation between nations for things like this. Govts. Disagree over even petty things
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Hey those scientist going one way let them do their thing, Im not against them doing their job. They may come up with something.

And no, thats what I wasnt talking about.
 
thebigt said:
I recorded the 1oclock colts game, just watched 15 minutes of it....alright, it will be at least another year before I watch nfl again...I seriously didn't remember football being so boring!!!
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Well it was a Colts game. Watching a Colts game is like watching Tiger play golf. Always perfect for a nap
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Well it was a Colts game. Watching a Colts game is like watching Tiger play golf. Always perfect for a nap
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lol...I got my super bowl, so I'm done!!!

seriously they had some woman doing play by play, her voice was so monologue it sounded like a recorded message.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You wouldn't even know any actual games were played today. All I keep hearing over and over is knees!
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Ive never in my life been so low on the NFL and their players. I thought that what Dump said was stupid to fire players, but now all this is doing is gaining my support for what Dump said.
 
ax1 said:
Ive never in my life been so low on the NFL and their players. I thought that what Dump said was stupid to fire players, but now all this is doing is gaining my support for what Dump said.
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It's a propaganda song to a flag that is usually displayed incorrectly at those games. But again, NHL pre-season is here, so I'm good.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
It's a propaganda song to a flag that is usually displayed incorrectly at those games. But again, NHL pre-season is here, so I'm good.
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I was honestly never a guy who obsessed with the Anthem or anything, I always just rose out of respect, same way when Im at a place here in China I hear the Communist Anthem I just stand out of respect...I dunno thats me. I dont understand whats to gain from kneeling for the USA Anthem but then standing up for God Save the Queen, its the dumbest crap Ive ever seen, nothing but hypocrisy.

Im not a NHL guy, been a Rangers fan since the 80s though but Im certainly going to have to look into converting into bigger and better things, lol

I was playing some NHL 94 on the plane on the way over here, greatest hockey game ever made!
 
Aleksandar37 said:
It's a propaganda song to a flag that is usually displayed incorrectly at those games. But again, NHL pre-season is here, so I'm good.
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In before Hockey is a racist white sport and massive protests erupt both outside and inside the stadium. Hey David Duke loves hockey, am I right???
 
ax1 said:
I was honestly never a guy who obsessed with the Anthem or anything, I always just rose out of respect, same way when Im at a place here in China I hear the Communist Anthem I just stand out of respect...I dunno thats me. I dont understand whats to gain from kneeling for the USA Anthem but then standing up for God Save the Queen, its the dumbest crap Ive ever seen, nothing but hypocrisy.

Im not a NHL guy, been a Rangers fan since the 80s though but Im certainly going to have to look into converting into bigger and better things, lol

I was playing some NHL 94 on the plane on the way over here, greatest hockey game ever made!
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That's the thing; I don't think most rise as a show of country pride. They do it out of peer pressure because everybody else is doing it. Honestly how many people stand at home when they're watching the game on television?

And yep, NHL 94 is the best one ever made. For me it has a lot of nostalgia because that was my senior year of high school and the last time I really played hockey regularly on a team. Got to college and found out that practice was at 7 am...put an end to that hobby real quick.
 
just an observation....the nfl could send a representative to the home of every fan and burn the American flag on their front lawn..and those fans would continue to attend and watch nfl games!!!
 
thebigt said:
just an observation....the nfl could send a representative to the home of every fan and burn the American flag on their front lawn..and those fans would continue to attend and watch nfl games!!!
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Burning flags is part of our history, just like statues :) (sort of sarcasm, sort of not lol)
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Burning flags is part of our history, just like statues :) (sort of sarcasm, sort of not lol)
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point being the players will win this, they are commited even if it means sacrifice...the fans are just giving lip service to their dislike and are unwilling to make a sacrifice for what they believe.

same goes for the statues, imo.
 
thebigt said:
point being the players will win this, they are commited even if it means sacrifice...the fans are just giving lip service to their dislike and are unwilling to make a sacrifice for what they believe.

same goes for the statues, imo.
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I completely agree. The fans have gotten over murder, rape, domestic violence, and dog fighting. They'll forget about this too.
 
thebigt said:
point being the players will win this, they are commited even if it means sacrifice...the fans are just giving lip service to their dislike and are unwilling to make a sacrifice for what they believe.

same goes for the statues, imo.
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The results may not end up the same in the NFL, but it should serve as a warning of sorts.
 
youngandfree said:
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In person attendance being down will hurt teams individually, more so than viewership numbers.
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the ownership group who owns several of the malls I have contracts with are out of st.louis...I get 'comped' 8 tickets every year to cardinals games.

if you look at the lower deck, higher priced seats at nfl games they are mostly filled by corporate season ticket owners who 'comp' them out and write them off as business expense same as a business dinner.

corporate america will support 'take a knee', if working class americans don't buy the upper deck cheap seats corporate America will...seats will be filled

this is how it works in 'merica'...and guess who pays for this-you got it, the tax payer!!!


welcome to the real world!!!
 
ax1 said:
Actually, I never go to Breif-fart and as a matter of fact you go on there more than I do.

Your going to get different stats from different scientists so get over it. The climate changes, whatever I dont care we cant change what has been going on for millions of years. We need to focus on whats really going to help people and real environment issues. Its not fair to scientists they cant have opposing views just cause Breif-fart posted something.

Your going to miss a home run if we dont prepare to adapt to nature. Hundreds of years from now our great great great grandchildren are going to curse at us for not preparing for them, whatever that is because we just dont know we cant even get the 7 day forecast right.
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The climate changes, yes we get that, It is the RATE of that change which is worrying, and the fact that we are at the warmest the globe has been in over 2000+ years. Stop focusing on the fact that the climate is constantly changing - even the scientists are aware that it does. You keep honing in on that when it has been addressed repeatedly.

This is like someone having a small hole in their tyre for 10 years and is used to having to pump it up every so often vs. a complete puncture that requires attention every few seconds and saying that he shouldn't fix it because it has always been like that.

If you are also comparing predicting the weather to climate change, then that is just being ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.

Someone earlier also made mention that the 97% figure was basically made up:

The scientific consensus is clear. Building on two previous studies (Doran and Zimmerman 2009 and Anderegg et al. 2010), a landmark 2013 peer-reviewed study evaluated 10,306 scientists to confirm that over 97 percent climate scientists agree, and over 97 percent of scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans.

That means only 3 scientists in 100, or 300 in 10,000 believe climate change is not man made.

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Of those studies, most of them were performed outside the continental US.

The US and its citizens do not understand climate change:

But, overall, majorities of Americans appear skeptical of climate scientists. No more than a third of the public gives climate scientists high marks for their understanding of climate change; even fewer say climate scientists understand the best ways to address climate change. And, while Americans trust information from climate scientists more than they trust that from other groups, fewer than half of Americans have “a lot” of trust in information from climate scientists (39%).

Republicans, particularly conservatives, are highly critical of climate scientists and more likely to ascribe negative rather than positive motives to the influences shaping scientists’ research.


Roughly half of adults (48%) say climate change is mostly due to human activity; roughly three-in-ten say it is due to natural causes (31%) and another fifth say there is no solid evidence of warming (20%).

Again, this shows a lack of understanding.

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South Korea has 92% of the polled population believe Climate change is caused by humans
japan 91%
etc.
 
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