Donald Trump running for president

CJNator said:
limiting their freedom.
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Its weird you are worried about peoplehaving their freedoms limited, yet you seem to support the idea of only giving it to people who "earn it' and not giving it as an inherit right who did absolutely nothing wrong in the first place and by default having it stripped away from them.

That is pure tyranny right there. Im not buying into this program.
 
ax1 said:
Its weird you are worried about peoplehaving their freedoms limited, yet you seem to support the idea of only giving it to people who "earn it' and not giving it as an inherit right who did absolutely nothing wrong in the first place and by default having it stripped away from them.

That is pure tyranny right there. Im not buying into this program.
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I worry about having the rights of people that deserve their rights getting taken away because of people who don't deserve it.

Tyranny is the end result of our reality, it best to be on the right side once it comes. Fascism is rational tyranny where as communism is irrational. Being a individual will only hurt you and your kins future, conformity will keep you and your family's in the place in the future.
 
CJNator said:
I worry about having the rights of people that deserve their rights getting taken away because of people who don't deserve it.

Tyranny is the end result of our reality, it best to be on the right side once it comes. Fascism is rational tyranny where as communism is irrational. Being a individual will only hurt you and your kins future, conformity will keep you and your family's in the place in the future.
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Spoken like a true robot, I think skynet has come online
 
CJNator said:
I worry about having the rights of people that deserve their rights getting taken away because of people who don't deserve it.

Tyranny is the end result of our reality, it best to be on the right side once it comes. Fascism is rational tyranny where as communism is irrational. Being a individual will only hurt you and your kins future, conformity will keep you and your family's in the place in the future.
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Your idea of everybody being guilty until
proven innocent rather than being innocent until proven guilty is tryanny no matter what these political ideologies are.

Let people decide what they do for themselves and if they hurt themselves or not....your idea of needing to "conform" is your choice. Many people may not want to conform to your ideologies, that's when you will see chaos. To enforce that is to take away people's rights.
 
CJNator said:
It has nothing to do with "wanting", it is a time issue. Also there's a reality beyond the perception of the majority of individuals, everyone is some type of "ism" hoping for some rebellion to happen and to spring out a utopia. Totalitarianism is inevitable and it's better to be a fascists rather then a commie. There's post modernism, hyper modernism, and the meta modernism. Right now it seems like we are transitioning to hyper modernism, I can't explain all those modernisms and I wouldn't want to because that's a lot of time but it's like the collectivization of cultures which obviously transitions into politics. Also state communism exist as does state capitalism, the state is just a means to a end for leftists(controlling of the mean of production).
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Ah yes, I remember you now. You're the one that was trying to claim that whites have higher IQs by nature. I don't know which community college you took your intro to philosophy class, but you need to ask for a refund or you simply weren't paying attention.
 
ax1 said:
If people cause chaos and disorder that effects other peoples liberties you simply arrest them and put them through due process.

People need to stop voting for big government goblins, thats the reasons law abiding people's freedoms have been reduced. Its really the "law abiding" population's fault as much as anyone else for handing over their freedoms. Laws changing do to some minority being effected by something negatively has nothing to do with the inherit right to freedom.
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Exactly your 100% right but as time has gone by degenerative actions have became legal in the name of individual freedom which has overall declined freedom for the population that has done nothing wrong and just want to be good hard working citizens.

Big government isn't the issue, democracy, humanism, Marxism, lack of internal order and external order. Overall lack of order in society which is because of lack of order within individuals is the main issue. No one adheres to an objective reality that can benefit everyone, that right is right and wrong is wrong. This can be determined by what works and what doesn't.
 
ax1 said:
If people cause chaos and disorder that effects other peoples liberties you simply arrest them and put them through due process.

People need to stop voting for big government goblins, thats the reasons law abiding people's freedoms have been reduced. Its really the "law abiding" population's fault as much as anyone else for handing over their freedoms. Laws changing do to some minority being effected by something negatively has nothing to do with the inherit right to freedom.
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Also there needs to be a government to protect the freedoms of the people, there no turning back to what we have so tyranny is the end result. Everyone has to pay there dues to their nation to make it productive, libertarians are just fascists that don't like coercion at all. Coercion is a historical fact and necessary to lengthen out to keep the unwanted, unproductive, societal degenerates where they need to be until they submit to the state and nation.
 
CJNator said:
Also there needs to be a government to protect the freedoms of the people, there no turning back to what we have so tyranny is the end result. Everyone has to pay there dues to their nation to make it productive, libertarians are just fascists that don't like coercion at all. Coercion is a historical fact and necessary to lengthen out to keep the unwanted, unproductive, societal degenerates where they need to be until they submit to the state and nation.
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Everyone has to pay their dues? And how do you go about that? Enforcement?

How are Libertarians fascists? If your talking infiltrated sects that's one thing (as with all these stupid labeled political parties,) but if I was a real libertarian Id be deeply offended by your comment.
 
CJNator said:
Exactly your 100% right but as time has gone by degenerative actions have became legal in the name of individual freedom which has overall declined freedom for the population that has done nothing wrong and just want to be good hard working citizens.

Big government isn't the issue, democracy, humanism, Marxism, lack of internal order and external order. Overall lack of order in society which is because of lack of order within individuals is the main issue. No one adheres to an objective reality that can benefit everyone, that right is right and wrong is wrong. This can be determined by what works and what doesn't.
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What degenerative actions that have been made "legal" infringe on other peoples liberties, rights and freedoms? And how does a "lack of order" between one individual effect someone who has his own disciplined personal order? And why do you think your definition of "order" should comply with all individuals and how to you go about the change you want to see?
 
ax1 said:
Everyone has to pay their dues? And how do you go about that? Enforcement?

How are Libertarians fascists? If your talking infiltrated sects that's one thing (as with all these stupid labeled political parties,) but if I was a real libertarian Id be deeply offended by your comment.
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Libertarians care for individual freedom, usually they realize people misuse their freedom. Then they realize force is needed to enforce laws that protect good individuals from bad ones that degenerate society. Then lastly you just realize fascism is inevitable and fighting it will only hurt you and you family's future in the new order.

Yes enforcement is needed but people should comply with what is working rather then fight it. This system needs reformation not destruction.
 
CJNator said:
Libertarians care for individual freedom, usually they realize people misuse their freedom. Then they realize force is needed to enforce laws that protect good individuals from bad ones that degenerate society. Then lastly you just realize fascism is inevitable and fighting it will only hurt you and you family's future in the new order.

Yes enforcement is needed but people should comply with what is working rather then fight it. This system needs reformation not destruction.
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Of course you use force via police to protect good individuals from bad ones. If they infringe on the liberties of others then you must be arrested and go through due process. Whats wrong with that?

Any "system" on the planet is prone to infiltration, civil war, chaos, fascism, communism, etc.......at least libertarians promote the idea of an individual or group carving out their own path, Id say libertarian system would be least prone to being fascist compared to other "organized" systems the last couple hundred years which actually suppress both individuals and groups leading to chaos and violence. Libertarians would at least leave people to live out their lives and only enforce when people directly effect other peoples freedoms and liberties.

Every system degenerates and needs to be then restored, its an endless process no matter what system you like.
 
lol...ever notice how global warming gets much more attention in july and august than in december and January...duh
 
thebigt said:
lol...ever notice how global warming gets much more attention in july and august than in december and January...duh
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Ive had one of the coolest summers here in NY that I ever remember....or wait...its climate change because we already lost when the globe didnt warm up and it cooled so its climate change we cant lose that one!!!!!
 
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Ive had one of the coolest summers here in NY that I ever remember....or wait...its climate change because we already lost when the globe didnt warm up and it cooled so its climate change we cant lose that one!!!!!
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lol...weathermen can't even get a 5 day forecast right, and we are supposed to trust them on 50-100 years.:jester:
 
thebigt said:
lol...weathermen can't even get a 5 day forecast right, and we are supposed to trust them on 50-100 years.:jester:
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Put all your trust Al Gore who is building mansions on islands while zipping arounds the globe in luxury jets telling people if you don't hand over your money to him San Francisco will be under water by 2013....wait wut year is it???? RRRROOOOFFFLLLL!!!!!!
 
ax1 said:
Put all your trust Al Gore who is building mansions on islands while zipping arounds the globe in luxury jets telling people if you don't hand over your money to him San Francisco will be under water by 2013....wait wut year is it???? RRRROOOOFFFLLLL!!!!!!
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I've heard that 90% of gore's wealth comes from his pitching of global warming...and he is worth a lot--a whole lot!!!

rather global warming is for real or not...al gore has definitely cashed in on it!!!
ax1 Garcia or broner?
 
ax1 said:
What degenerative actions that have been made "legal" infringe on other peoples liberties, rights and freedoms? And how does a "lack of order" between one individual effect someone who has his own disciplined personal order? And why do you think your definition of "order" should comply with all individuals and how to you go about the change you want to see?
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Basically any law that can be measured to be destructive rather then constructive, if it's destructive then it's degenerate.

Lack of order within individuals under a democracy is destructive especially when they becomes a majority. They are clueless and in control, this also effect people in positions of power so I'd hope that is self explanatory.

It's not my definition, I don't have a definition. There's are set definitions of order that you can google but here one the one I'd adhere to in this situation "a state in which everything is in its correct or appropriate place".
 
thebigt said:
I've heard that 90% of gore's wealth comes from his pitching of global warming...and he is worth a lot--a whole lot!!!

rather global warming is for real or not...al gore has definitely cashed in on it!!!
ax1 Garcia or broner?
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He has investments in carbon reading drones that fly over the globe many years ago.

I pick Garcia by decision.
 
ax1 said:
He has investments in carbon reading drones that fly over the globe many years ago.

I pick Garcia by decision.
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I want Garcia to win really bad...but i'm not so sure that broner won't win by tko. as much as I don't like him, I've got to give broner credit-he's got impressive skills when he takes t seriously!!!

broner is the betting underdog...i'm going to put $20 on broner, that way if he wins I get something out of it, lol.
 
thebigt said:
I want Garcia to win really bad...but i'm not so sure that broner won't win by tko. as much as I don't like him, I've got to give broner credit-he's got impressive skills when he takes t seriously!!!

broner is the betting underdog...i'm going to put $20 on broner, that way if he wins I get something out of it, lol.
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Garcia is very very skilled imo....this will launch him up top. You will see :)
 
ax1 said:
Garcia is very very skilled imo....this will launch him up top. You will see :)
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salido is the only top guy I've seen Garcia fight and salido came very close...word is mikey doesn't like body punches and broner is going to the body...I hope Garcia wins but something tells me broner is going to pull it out.
 
thebigt said:
salido is the only top guy I've seen Garcia fight and salido came very close...word is mikey doesn't like body punches and broner is going to the body...I hope Garcia wins but something tells me broner is going to pull it out.
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If you make money then you got us all here protein shakes on the house!!!!
 
thebigt said:
salido is the only top guy I've seen Garcia fight and salido came very close...word is mikey doesn't like body punches and broner is going to the body...I hope Garcia wins but something tells me broner is going to pull it out.
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Keep in mind...Broner hasn't really had good fight competition either...he lost to Porter and Maidana who are only decent and I had Pauli up on points, Pauli got robbed. And that's a old over the hill Pauli.
 
hanslifts said:
Its the military, not a ****ing social experiment. Second, a lot of tax payers are pissed that they were paying for service members to het sex changes. And finally, the military traditionally does not endorse putting rifles in the hands of folks with mental illness. So, why should this be any different?
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LMAO
 
ax1 said:
Keep in mind...Broner hasn't really had good fight competition either...he lost to Porter and Maidana who are only decent and I had Pauli up on points, Pauli got robbed. And that's a old over the hill Pauli.
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porter is a madman...I don't think broner took maidana and pauli all that seriously..i think broner seriously underrated maidana, he wasn't expecting maidana to be that willing to go to war.
 
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porter is a madman...I don't think broner took maidana and pauli all that seriously..i think broner seriously underrated maidana, he wasn't expecting maidana to be that willing to go to war.
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Porter charges like a mad bull that's for sure....he makes up for what I think is a little less skill than some others.

Broner showed in that Maidana match that he in no quitter, he went through some adversity there. His post fight I thought was childish.

Broner is too much of a party animal I wish he can hit his potential, maybe in Saturday? And then stay disciplined but I doubt it.
 
ax1 said:
Porter charges like a mad bull that's for sure....he makes up for what I think is a little less skill than some others.

Broner showed in that Maidana match that he in no quitter, he went through some adversity there. His post fight I thought was childish.

Broner is too much of a party animal I wish he can hit his potential, maybe in Saturday? And then stay disciplined but I doubt it.
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that is the reason I am picking broner to win...this is do or die as a professional boxer for broner-and he knows it!!!
 
I think trump set a trap and democrats bit...lol, dumbasses!!!
 
hanslifts said:
Its the military, not a ****ing social experiment. Second, a lot of tax payers are pissed that they were paying for service members to het sex changes. And finally, the military traditionally does not endorse putting rifles in the hands of folks with mental illness. So, why should this be any different?
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Just gonna leave this right here:

www+ranker+com/list/military-base-shooting/mike-Rothschild

All religious or race based. The fact that you are trying to lump people being transgender in with mental illness is ignorant AF.

How many of you right wing conservatives on anti-depressants, SSRIs, etc? You're just as fukked in the head as the rest of us.

Get over yourselves.

As for the guy "Conform and earn your freedom".....Fukk you dude, you're an insane person to even suggest that. You want a world like that, go move to North Korea.

Absolutely. If a man walks around claiming that he is really a bumble bee, people will call the cops and he will get sent to a institution. Yet when a man says he's really a woman, people applaud "shim" for being a "hero." **** that.
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Who are you to judge how someone feels? Most people don't questions the thought of "Phantom Limb" syndrome for someone who's lost a body part. Why does that happen? Because our minds have a preconceived notion of what our body 'Should' look like. If you can understand phantom pain, then why is it so hard to fathom the possibility that YOU have no idea what goes on inside of someone elses head.
 
nubioso said:
The fact that you are trying to lump people being transgender in with mental illness is ignorant AF.
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Actually it is a mental illness if you go by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders by American Psychiatric Association. Its called Gender Dysphoria.

Other than that, in my books you love freedom and a government so small you can barely see it, can pass a physical just like everyone else with no exceptions your all cool in my books to go out and fight even if your cookoo a little. Born a dude, you gotta stay out of the ladies room however.
 
ax1 said:
Actually it is a mental illness if you go by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders by American Psychiatric Association. Its called Gender Dysphoria.

Other than that, in my books you love freedom and a government so small you can barely see it, can pass a physical just like everyone else with no exceptions your all cool in my books to go out and fight even if your cookoo a little. Born a dude, you gotta stay out of the ladies room however.
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Couldn't agree more! Furthermore, it's not a "right" to serve in uniform. It's a goddamned privilege. I don't know why these simple minded ****s can't understand that.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
On what?
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trump pretending to throw jeff sessions under the bus....all of a sudden democrats are defending the guy who before were calling deplorable, lol....


now that trump has democrats on record saying what an honorable guy sessions is, look for trump to sic sessions on Hillary and Obama's old crew.


it's crazy democrats couldn't figure out trump was up to something...sessions is his boy!!!
 
thebigt said:
trump pretending to throw jeff sessions under the bus....all of a sudden democrats are defending the guy who before were calling deplorable, lol....


now that trump has democrats on record saying what an honorable guy sessions is, look for trump to sic sessions on Hillary and Obama's old crew.


it's crazy democrats couldn't figure out trump was up to something...sessions is his boy!!!
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You know the drill. Sources or links? I haven't seen any prominent Democrats saying Sessions is a good guy. I've seen people saying that the President should not being trying to bully other branches of government which is true no matter who is in power. But you go ahead and keep getting excited that the dude you voted for is playing games and upset that others don't treat him like a monarch. What has he actually accomplished again?
 
hanslifts said:
I love liberals! You always center your comebacks around some lame ass insult. You should get some new tricks, kid.
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Not a liberal and you obviously parroted the response from above. As for your example, no, he hasn't kicked anybody out yet. In fact none of the joints chiefs wanted or knew of Trumps plan. Also, none of the people lobbying him for change wanted anybody kicked out (they simply didn't want to pay for procedures). So you're actually discrediting military experts and choosing the opinion of a single person who has zero military experience.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You know the drill. Sources or links? I haven't seen any prominent Democrats saying Sessions is a good guy. I've seen people saying that the President should not being trying to bully other branches of government which is true no matter who is in power. But you go ahead and keep getting excited that the dude you voted for is playing games and upset that others don't treat him like a monarch. What has he actually accomplished again?
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you should know by know that I don't do links...google-democrats become jeff sessions allies amid trump criticism.

do some research, many democrats have been quoted defending sessions-a guy they hated before trump played them, lol.


i'm telling you I see sessions going after Obama's old crew[including Hillary]...trump was just setting democrats up to provide cover for sessions.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Not a liberal and you obviously parroted the response from above. As for your example, no, he hasn't kicked anybody out yet. In fact none of the joints chiefs wanted or knew of Trumps plan. Also, none of the people lobbying him for change wanted anybody kicked out (they simply didn't want to pay for procedures). So you're actually discrediting military experts and choosing the opinion of a single person who has zero military experience.
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Actually, none of them knew of the plan. And you're right, although it's not official yet, it will happen. And the majority of the leadership does want this issue over with the end result of trans folks gone. Im sure you believe everything on CNN that you see, but a lot of the info has been inflated, exaggerated, etc. But believe what you want. Anyway, what the **** do you know you? Did you serve? Or are you just a keyboard warrior that specializes in military policy? Again, **** off.
 
here is an interesting article...'army prepares women to shower with men as part of transgender training'....I would love to know what those women think about that, lol.
 
hanslifts said:
Actually, none of them knew of the plan. And you're right, although it's not official yet, it will happen. And the majority of the leadership does want this issue over with the end result of trans folks gone. Im sure you believe everything on CNN that you see, but a lot of the info has been inflated, exaggerated, etc. But believe what you want. Anyway, what the **** do you know you? Did you serve? Or are you just a keyboard warrior that specializes in military policy? Again, **** off.
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Don't watch CNN either. Also, you went from agreeing with me that "none of them knew" to disagreeing with me "majority of the leadership does want this issue" in three sentences. No, I didn't serve and didn't claim to or claim to be a military expert. Anything else?
 
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Actually, none of them knew of the plan. And you're right, although it's not official yet, it will happen. And the majority of the leadership does want this issue over with the end result of trans folks gone. Im sure you believe everything on CNN that you see, but a lot of the info has been inflated, exaggerated, etc. But believe what you want. Anyway, what the **** do you know you? Did you serve? Or are you just a keyboard warrior that specializes in military policy? Again, **** off.
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I served...but the issue is not what you and I as men think since it will have more effect on women in the military. I would like to hear what women in the military think about it.
 
nubioso said:
Just gonna leave this right here:

www+ranker+com/list/military-base-shooting/mike-Rothschild

All religious or race based. The fact that you are trying to lump people being transgender in with mental illness is ignorant AF.

How many of you right wing conservatives on anti-depressants, SSRIs, etc? You're just as fukked in the head as the rest of us.

Get over yourselves.

As for the guy "Conform and earn your freedom".....Fukk you dude, you're an insane person to even suggest that. You want a world like that, go move to North Korea.



Who are you to judge how someone feels? Most people don't questions the thought of "Phantom Limb" syndrome for someone who's lost a body part. Why does that happen? Because our minds have a preconceived notion of what our body 'Should' look like. If you can understand phantom pain, then why is it so hard to fathom the possibility that YOU have no idea what goes on inside of someone elses head.
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Yea because it's ignorant to conform to reality rather then fantasize about some alternative utopian reality that everyone is happy and free, plus everyone is a good person that wants to spread love and joy.

Suffering is a reality that is embraced by fascism and mostly every other ideological fantasy is a means to escape this suffering which is impossible without chaos.

Also yea it is a mental illness and yes mostly everyone has some degree or type of mental illness, legislation should not make their illness into a false reality with pseudoscience and virtue signaling. Government needs to adhere to reality not vice versa.
 
No, nice try, but no. 1) The Generals did not know he was going to announce his remarks via Twitter. We both agree on that. 2) Regardless of the 1st point, its no secret that the leadership never wanted trans service members. So you are wrong there. And to you not serving or being a military expert, then why are you so hellbent on letting people with documented mental illness serve in the military?
 
hanslifts said:
No, nice try, but no. 1) The Generals did not know he was going to announce his remarks via Twitter. We both agree on that. 2) Regardless of the 1st point, its no secret that the leadership never wanted trans service members. So you are wrong there. And to you not serving or being a military expert, then why are you so hellbent on letting people with documented mental illness serve in the military?
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Apparently one already has! I'm hellbent on being honest about the reasons why and if you're true military, you should be hellbent on me being able to have an opinion on the subject whether I served or not because I'm a ****ing citizen.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Apparently one already has! I'm hellbent on being honest about the reasons why and if you're true military, you should be hellbent on me being able to have an opinion on the subject whether I served or not because I'm a ****ing citizen.
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lol...as a citizen you should have respect for PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!:wavey:
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Apparently one already has! I'm hellbent on being honest about the reasons why and if you're true military, you should be hellbent on me being able to have an opinion on the subject whether I served or not because I'm a ****ing citizen.
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I am hellbent on you having an opinion. Im hellbent on you voting. But now that Im not in anymore, I can express my opinions now too. But if you are going to develop an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about, I really encourage you go talk to veterans, talk to currently serving Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines. You might learn a thing or too. After all, there's plenty of uneducated *******s with opinions, but there are very few that actually know what they're talking about, which in turn actually makes their opinion valid.
 
hanslifts said:
I am hellbent on you having an opinion. Im hellbent on you voting. But now that Im not in anymore, I can express my opinions now too. But if you are going to develop an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about, I really encourage you go talk to veterans, talk to currently serving Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines. You might learn a thing or too. After all, there's plenty of uneducated *******s with opinions, but there are very few that actually know what they're talking about, which in turn actually makes their opinion valid.
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You're a horrible mind reader. I mean that's 3 chances now. Assuming I'm liberal, nope, but depends on the issue I guess. Assuming I watch CNN, nope. Assuming I haven't spoken to military members (current and vets) about this and many other issues, and he goes down swinging. Sorry man, if you want to have a rational conversation, let's talk. Otherwise, stupid **** like strangers making assumptions about me isn't something I'm going to spend much time on.
 
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