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Misfit28 said:
If you really think that is what goes on at college campuses all the time, YOU are the one who has been brainwashed by media.
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You have to admit, it's pretty funny though. Of course it's exaggerated, but it does seem that the pendulum may be swinging too far in the other direction at universities, but isn't that the nature of things?
 
Misfit28 said:
So it's "temper tantrums" now instead of the right to assemble? I see.

You're making the same slippery slope arguments they are.
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Again, since no one reads my entire posts. It's the institutionalized condoning of it by the universities, that I've specifically cited, that's the problem. It's all about the left's right to assemble in protest, but it's not the right of a conservative to come and give a speech, because the "assembled and offended" don't like it.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I've asked him before. He won't directly answer the question. Shocking lol
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I went to 2 years of community college because my parents had 3 kids in college at the same time. Funny how my sister was the only one that went to a 4 year school, and she's the only one in the family that has cried for days after Trump was elected.
 
Funny how that sampling of 1 in three people, in your family cried when Trump was elected, and our correlation was she has a higher education? I'd say, educated is better in this case. You should feel like a sucker who just got swindled out of $30k like many did at Trump "University" but for some unknown reason, you feel like the educated people are in error here.

Here is the problem with Education, especially in America, from someone I have the highest regard and admiration for.

RSA ANIMATE: Changing Education Paradigms
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youngandfree said:
I went to 2 years of community college because my parents had 3 kids in college at the same time. Funny how my sister was the only one that went to a 4 year school, and she's the only one in the family that has cried for days after Trump was elected.
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So you're dependent on your parents for your own future? Are you not capable of getting a job to pay for your own schooling or applying for scholarships? There are a lot more options out there than I couldn't go to college because my parents couldn't afford it and so now I have a big chip on my shoulder.
 
justhere4comm said:
Funny how that sampling of 1 in three people, in your family cried when Trump was elected, and our correlation was she has a higher education? I'd say, educated is better in this case. You should feel like a sucker who just got swindled out of $30k like many did at Trump "University" but for some unknown reason, you feel like the educated people are in error here.

Here is the problem with Education, especially in America, from someone I have the highest regard and admiration for.

RSA ANIMATE: Changing Education Paradigms
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Right?! His sister has an issue with Trump and now all college students everywhere are the same lol
 
youngandfree said:
Again, since no one reads my entire posts. It's the institutionalized condoning of it by the universities, that I've specifically cited, that's the problem. It's all about the left's right to assemble in protest, but it's not the right of a conservative to come and give a speech, because the "assembled and offended" don't like it.
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Isnt it also the personal responsibility of the already adult student to go to the school and focus and whats important which is their education and not political bullshyt that they will only encounter later in life either in society or their workplace anyways? Doesnt Berkley at least produce alot of graduates ready for the workforce which is the primary intent in the first place?
 
ax1 said:
Isnt it also the personal responsibility of the already adult student to go to the school and focus and whats important which is their education and not political bullshyt that they will only encounter later in life either in society or their workplace anyways? Doesnt Berkley at least produce alot of graduates ready for the workforce which is the primary intent in the first place?
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justhere4comm said:
Funny how that sampling of 1 in three people, in your family cried when Trump was elected, and our correlation was she has a higher education? I'd say, educated is better in this case. You should feel like a sucker who just got swindled out of $30k like many did at Trump "University" but for some unknown reason, you feel like the educated people are in error here.

Here is the problem with Education, especially in America, from someone I have the highest regard and admiration for.

RSA ANIMATE: Changing Education Paradigms
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Since you don't know me or my family dynamic or history, you don't know anything about it. Why am I a sucker because I didn't rack up $50,000+ in debt exactly? Again, you have ignored the repeated point of my posts. I've repeatedly referred to specific examples. Not every single professor at every single college. But as always, your education is better than everyone elses. I get it. Especially someone that just went to a no name hick community college.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
So you're dependent on your parents for your own future? Are you not capable of getting a job to pay for your own schooling or applying for scholarships? There are a lot more options out there than I couldn't go to college because my parents couldn't afford it and so now I have a big chip on my shoulder.
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And you wonder why I never answered your question, because you twisted my response into something completely different to support your bias agains me.

I'm not bitter at all about what my parents provided for me. I never went without anything I wanted or needed. I have had a job since I was 16. I've worked the same job for the last 18 years. I made 6 figures last year without my college degree. I've supported myself since I was on my own. I was a volunteer EMT and firefighter for 10 years starting at age 16. Just because the world says you have to have a 4 year degree to make a good living and be a productive citizen is absurd.

My point about my sister that you didn't and won't get is that she's the only flaming lib in my family, and the only one with a 4 year degree. There is correlation that you don't know details about and that I'm not going to go into.
 
youngandfree said:
And you wonder why I never answered your question, because you twisted my response into something completely different to support your bias agains me.

I'm not bitter at all about what my parents provided for me. I never went without anything I wanted or needed. I have had a job since I was 16. I've worked the same job for the last 18 years. I made 6 figures last year without my college degree. I've supported myself since I was on my own. I was a volunteer EMT and firefighter for 10 years starting at age 16. Just because the world says you have to have a 4 year degree to make a good living and be a productive citizen is absurd.

My point about my sister that you didn't and won't get is that she's the only flaming lib in my family, and the only one with a 4 year degree. There is correlation that you don't know details about and that I'm not going to go into.
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I don't care if people go to college or not and only asked you because you keep attacking people who are actually trying to better themselves. You said you only went to a 2 year school because your parents already had 3 kids in college. That is all the info you gave us and certainly sounds like you were completely depedent on them. As for your sister, yet again, you don't want to elaborate, but want to use her as an example of how all 4 year college students are liberals. IF YOU DON'T TO TALK ABOUT IT, DON'T BRING IT UP! But keep on attacking higher education and I will keep smacking down your pathetic attempts.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Again, no. You've posted small group and individuals.
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So Berkley, and other schools, cancelling conservative speakers because of backlash from students that can't handle a different opinion, isn't the school condoning it? Sure thing. The ironic thing is the ones crying about Anne Coulter coming to their school wouldn't even attend anyway, other than cause disruptions. She's just the latest example from last week. Ben Shapiro has been treated the same. Milo the nut job the same. Plus others. If a scholarship invites a person to speak, and then revokes the invitation because of students not wanting them there, that's an institutional decision.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I don't care if people go to college or not and only asked you because you keep attacking people who are actually trying to better themselves. You said you only went to a 2 year school because your parents already had 3 kids in college. That is all the info you gave us and certainly sounds like you were completely depedent on them. As for your sister, yet again, you don't want to elaborate, but want to use her as an example of how all 4 year college students are liberals. IF YOU DON'T TO TALK ABOUT IT, DON'T BRING IT UP! But keep on attacking higher education and I will keep smacking down your pathetic attempts.
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Again your analysis is wrong because you misread my statement. I didn't say they already had 3 kids in school.

I would have expected better out of you.

As you said in another post, "Again, no. You've posted small group and individuals."

So why do you keep saying I'm referring to every school and every student?
 
youngandfree said:
So Berkley, and other schools, cancelling conservative speakers because of backlash from students that can't handle a different opinion, isn't the school condoning it? Sure thing. The ironic thing is the ones crying about Anne Coulter coming to their school wouldn't even attend anyway, other than cause disruptions. She's just the latest example from last week. Ben Shapiro has been treated the same. Milo the nut job the same. Plus others. If a scholarship invites a person to speak, and then revokes the invitation because of students not wanting them there, that's an institutional decision.
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Because college is for learning through classes. Celebrity speakers are a luxury. If the luxury is going to be a discraction from the primary purpose of learning through classes, then yes it makes sense to cancel. There are plenty of venues in the area that are not on campus where they can host speakers and they have offered her other options to speak on campus. None of this is impeding on Coulter's freedom of speech. What you are asking for is impeding on a groups' freedom of speech.
 
youngandfree said:
Again your analysis is wrong because you misread my statement. I didn't say they already had 3 kids in school.

I would have expected better out of you.

As you said in another post, "Again, no. You've posted small group and individuals."

So why do you keep saying I'm referring to every school and every student?
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I don't care how many siblings you have, so get over it.

And yes, you keep posting articles about small groups and individuals and claiming that pertains to all colleges and college students. What part is confusing to you?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Because college is for learning through classes. Celebrity speakers are a luxury. If the luxury is going to be a discraction from the primary purpose of learning through classes, then yes it makes sense to cancel. There are plenty of venues in the area that are not on campus where they can host speakers and they have offered her other options to speak on campus. None of this is impeding on Coulter's freedom of speech. What you are asking for is impeding on a groups' freedom of speech.
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They offered her to speak when classes are over. Every single instance it's happened is the same. School invites speaker. Libs and antifa wannabes create uproar. School cancels speaker. If it was about only learning, they would never invite any speakers there.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Because college is for learning through classes. Celebrity speakers are a luxury. If the luxury is going to be a discraction from the primary purpose of learning through classes, then yes it makes sense to cancel. There are plenty of venues in the area that are not on campus where they can host speakers and they have offered her other options to speak on campus. None of this is impeding on Coulter's freedom of speech. What you are asking for is impeding on a groups' freedom of speech.
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How am I asking for that exactly? I never said they couldn't protest. I have a problem with the schools bending to their every demand.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I don't care how many siblings you have, so get over it.

And yes, you keep posting articles about small groups and individuals and claiming that pertains to all colleges and college students. What part is confusing to you?
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What part aren't you understanding? I've said repeatedly I didn't say EVERY SINGLE COLLEGE AND EVERY SINGLE STUDENT.
 
The last few pages are painful to read. Can we agree to disagree on something? Goodness, your opinion isn't going to change because you debated against someone online for hours. At the most you might learn a thing or two or teach someone something.
 
justhere4comm said:
When I was of age, there was still registration for the selective services, and I proudly went and signed my name. There was never a draft since, but I don't believe you were off in your thinking of those who dodged the draft because they were cowards. It mislabels those with legitimate reasons. If one was a conscientious objector, or actually disabled, they would be lumped in with the wealthy dodgers.

It also doesn't mean in hindsight you cannot be bitter about how we did what we did in Vietnam; or Nixon extending the war for political gain!. There is plenty of blame to go around, but that doesn't excuse the dodging cowards at the time. We can all look back at quite a few involvement in history and shake an accusing finger at some of the impetus for joining, or perpetuating the war drums in a newly coined conflict for nefarious reasons.

There's nothing wrong with how you thought at the time. Stop beating yourself up if you are.
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nah, I'm not beating myself up over nothing, I was fully prepared to go to Vietnam. I come from a long line of patriots-I had 4 uncles serve in ww2 and 2 in korea. AMEL was killed in action [ww2] and AUGUST came back missing a leg[korea]...my wife's father was a double amputee from frostbite he got while in korea [recently deceased]......as soon as I graduated high school I enlisted!!!

bill Clinton was the 1st president in my lifetime not to have served in the military, he sat out Vietnam with college deferment!!! he and Hillary were anti war radicals but as president he had no problem deploying military force in several regions. and Hillary became hawkish---imagine that, when their butt was on the line they were anti war but had no problem sending others off to fight their wars---ozzy said it best-WAR PIGS!!!
 
thebigt said:
nah, I'm not beating myself up over nothing, I was fully prepared to go to Vietnam. I come from a long line of patriots-I had 4 uncles serve in ww2 and 2 in korea. AMEL was killed in action [ww2] and AUGUST came back missing a leg[korea]...my wife's father was a double amputee from frostbite he got while in korea [recently deceased]......as soon as I graduated high school I enlisted!!!

bill Clinton was the 1st president in my lifetime not to have served in the military, he sat out Vietnam with college deferment!!! he and Hillary were anti war radicals but as president he had no problem deploying military force in several regions. and Hillary became hawkish---imagine that, when their butt was on the line they were anti war but had no problem sending others off to fight their wars---ozzy said it best-WAR PIGS!!!
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So Trump gets a free pass on his deferments?
 
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thebigt said:
nah, I'm not beating myself up over nothing, I was fully prepared to go to Vietnam. I come from a long line of patriots-I had 4 uncles serve in ww2 and 2 in korea. AMEL was killed in action [ww2] and AUGUST came back missing a leg[korea]...my wife's father was a double amputee from frostbite he got while in korea [recently deceased]......as soon as I graduated high school I enlisted!!!

bill Clinton was the 1st president in my lifetime not to have served in the military, he sat out Vietnam with college deferment!!! he and Hillary were anti war radicals but as president he had no problem deploying military force in several regions. and Hillary became hawkish---imagine that, when their butt was on the line they were anti war but had no problem sending others off to fight their wars---ozzy said it best-WAR PIGS!!!
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Truth.

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Misfit28 said:
Yes, he said he was in an interview. I'm not sure if he was "raging", though.
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Yeah I see that now, he strongly opposed the Vietnam war....but he is slowly coming out to be a war mongering lunatic.
 
ax1 said:
Yeah I see that now, he strongly opposed the Vietnam war....but he is slowly coming out to be a war mongering lunatic.
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IMO, it would have been interesting to see what Bernie Sanders would have done in the same situation as Trump. He has been consistently anti-war throughout his history.

Alas, we will never find out.
 
Misfit28 said:
IMO, it would have been interesting to see what Bernie Sanders would have done in the same situation as Trump. He has been consistently anti-war throughout his history.

Alas, we will never find out.
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I would have much preferred his point of view on the matters at hand, and he would most defiantly have handled it much better than our current Leadership. The mark of a true leader is whom he surrounds him with, and how he handles himself.

It's too bad, we'll never know.
 
Misfit28 said:
IMO, it would have been interesting to see what Bernie Sanders would have done in the same situation as Trump. He has been consistently anti-war throughout his history.

Alas, we will never find out.
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Bernie did support some form of intervention with drones if I remember correctly, its possible he would have sucked himself up in a black hole I dunno. I would hope not.

Dump surrounded himself with military industrial complex swamp....McCaster (sp? lol) is a General Betraeus war mongering pro-terrorist stooge.

Nothing much has changed since Obama, the only thing I have hopes for with Dump is the nationalist movement pulling away from the globalist movement but that is certainly being deteriorated.
 
Well, its monday again and Dr. Paul's weekly report is up yet again.

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“I love Wikileaks,” candidate Donald Trump said on October 10th on the campaign trail. He praised the organization for reporting on the darker side of the Hillary Clinton campaign. It was information likely leaked by a whistleblower from within the Clinton campaign to Wikileaks.

Back then he praised Wikileaks for promoting transparency, but candidate Trump looks less like President Trump every day. The candidate praised whistleblowers and Wikileaks often on the campaign trail. In fact, candidate Trump loved Wikileaks so much he mentioned the organization more than 140 times in the final month of the campaign alone! Now, as President, it seems Trump wants Wikileaks founder Julian Assange sent to prison.

Last week CNN reported, citing anonymous “intelligence community” sources, that the Trump Administration’s Justice Department was seeking the arrest of Assange and had found a way to charge the Wikileaks founder for publishing classified information without charging other media outlets such as the New York Times and Washington Post for publishing the same information.

It might have been tempting to write off the CNN report as “fake news,” as is much of their reporting, but for the fact President Trump said in an interview on Friday that issuing an arrest warrant for Julian Assange would be, “OK with me.”

Trump’s condemnation of Wikileaks came just a day after his CIA Director, Michael Pompeo, attacked Wikileaks as a “hostile intelligence service.” Pompeo accused Assange of being “a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen.”

Pompeo’s word choice was no accident. By accusing Wikileaks of being a “hostile intelligence service” rather than a publisher of information on illegal and abusive government practices leaked by whistleblowers, he signaled that the organization has no First Amendment rights. Like many in Washington, he does not understand that the First Amendment is a limitation on government rather than a granting of rights to citizens. Pompeo was declaring war on Wikileaks.

But not that long ago Pompeo also cited Wikileaks as an important source of information. In July he drew attention to the Wikileaks release of information damaging to the Clinton campaign, writing, “Need further proof that the fix was in from President Obama on down?”

There is a word for this sudden about-face on Wikileaks and the transparency it provides us into the operations of the prominent and powerful: hypocrisy.

The Trump Administration’s declaration of war on whistleblowers and Wikileaks is one of the greatest disappointments in these first 100 days. Donald Trump rode into the White House with promises that he would “drain the swamp,” meaning that he would overturn the apple carts of Washington’s vested interests. By unleashing those same vested interests on those who hold them in check – the whistleblowers and those who publish their revelations – he has turned his back on those who elected him.

Julian Assange, along with the whistleblowers who reveal to us the evil that is being done in our name, are heroes. They deserve our respect and admiration, not a prison cell. If we allow this president to declare war on those who tell the truth, we have only ourselves to blame.

Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.
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ax1 said:
Well, its monday again and Dr. Paul's weekly report is up yet again.

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Monday April 24, 2017


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“I love Wikileaks,” candidate Donald Trump said on October 10th on the campaign trail. He praised the organization for reporting on the darker side of the Hillary Clinton campaign. It was information likely leaked by a whistleblower from within the Clinton campaign to Wikileaks.

Back then he praised Wikileaks for promoting transparency, but candidate Trump looks less like President Trump every day. The candidate praised whistleblowers and Wikileaks often on the campaign trail. In fact, candidate Trump loved Wikileaks so much he mentioned the organization more than 140 times in the final month of the campaign alone! Now, as President, it seems Trump wants Wikileaks founder Julian Assange sent to prison.

Last week CNN reported, citing anonymous “intelligence community” sources, that the Trump Administration’s Justice Department was seeking the arrest of Assange and had found a way to charge the Wikileaks founder for publishing classified information without charging other media outlets such as the New York Times and Washington Post for publishing the same information.

It might have been tempting to write off the CNN report as “fake news,” as is much of their reporting, but for the fact President Trump said in an interview on Friday that issuing an arrest warrant for Julian Assange would be, “OK with me.”

Trump’s condemnation of Wikileaks came just a day after his CIA Director, Michael Pompeo, attacked Wikileaks as a “hostile intelligence service.” Pompeo accused Assange of being “a fraud — a coward hiding behind a screen.”

Pompeo’s word choice was no accident. By accusing Wikileaks of being a “hostile intelligence service” rather than a publisher of information on illegal and abusive government practices leaked by whistleblowers, he signaled that the organization has no First Amendment rights. Like many in Washington, he does not understand that the First Amendment is a limitation on government rather than a granting of rights to citizens. Pompeo was declaring war on Wikileaks.

But not that long ago Pompeo also cited Wikileaks as an important source of information. In July he drew attention to the Wikileaks release of information damaging to the Clinton campaign, writing, “Need further proof that the fix was in from President Obama on down?”

There is a word for this sudden about-face on Wikileaks and the transparency it provides us into the operations of the prominent and powerful: hypocrisy.

The Trump Administration’s declaration of war on whistleblowers and Wikileaks is one of the greatest disappointments in these first 100 days. Donald Trump rode into the White House with promises that he would “drain the swamp,” meaning that he would overturn the apple carts of Washington’s vested interests. By unleashing those same vested interests on those who hold them in check – the whistleblowers and those who publish their revelations – he has turned his back on those who elected him.

Julian Assange, along with the whistleblowers who reveal to us the evil that is being done in our name, are heroes. They deserve our respect and admiration, not a prison cell. If we allow this president to declare war on those who tell the truth, we have only ourselves to blame.

Copyright © 2017 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.
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I'm still not sold on Assange, but Trump's hypocrisy on this is staggering.
 
Misfit28 said:
So Trump gets a free pass on his deferments?
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valid point...trump also pu$$ed out on Vietnam--he loses points from me for this...although I don't think he was as outspoken[radical] against the war as bill and Hillary were. but he still gets a negative review for his cowardly action.
 
ax1 said:
Bernie did support some form of intervention with drones if I remember correctly, its possible he would have sucked himself up in a black hole I dunno. I would hope not.

Dump surrounded himself with military industrial complex swamp....McCaster (sp? lol) is a General Betraeus war mongering pro-terrorist stooge.

Nothing much has changed since Obama, the only thing I have hopes for with Dump is the nationalist movement pulling away from the globalist movement but that is certainly being deteriorated.
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I am absolutely pro nationalist and anti globalist...this is one of the reasons why I support trump[on most things-not all].
 
justhere4comm said:
I would have much preferred his point of view on the matters at hand, and he would most defiantly have handled it much better than our current Leadership. The mark of a true leader is whom he surrounds him with, and how he handles himself.

It's too bad, we'll never know.
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I am far from being a Bernie fan...but in all honesty I feel he puts the best interest of the country ahead of party politics. obstruction for the sake of obstruction is detrimental, imo....I think Bernie understands this and I give him credit!!!
 
justhere4comm said:
Let me try this again...



Truth.

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common ground!!!

in my honest opinion to be commander in chief I think you should have served in the military!!!

I am old school-don't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself!!!
 
thebigt said:
common ground!!!

in my honest opinion to be commander in chief I think you should have served in the military!!!

I am old school-don't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself!!!
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What you think of that Kushner guy over in iraq with that vest on, I couldnt stop laughing at that panzy azz, my wife almost sent me to the doctors ROFFFFLLLL!

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ax1 said:
What you think of that Kushner guy over in iraq with that vest on, I couldnt stop laughing at that panzy azz, my wife almost sent me to the doctors ROFFFFLLLL!

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somethings up with that whole situation....trump seems to be whipped by his daughter. Kushner is an elitist democratic liberal, he was born into it--and trump doesn't seem to be able to say no to ivanka, this is worrisome to me!!!
 
thebigt said:
somethings up with that whole situation....trump seems to be whipped by his daughter. Kushner is an elitist democratic liberal, he was born into it--and trump doesn't seem to be able to say no to ivanka, this is worrisome to me!!!
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Because he's ****ing her. Between the incest and the huge wall, they're a dwarf away from being Game of Thrones.
 
I can wait for him to be impeached. I'm hoping he actually gets rid of the illegal aliens first, then get his butt impeached, and we have a new mini series to watch. Guess who gets to be Trump? lol.

:popcorn:
 
justhere4comm said:
I can wait for him to be impeached. I'm hoping he actually gets rid of the illegal aliens first, then get his butt impeached, and we have a new mini series to watch. Guess who gets to be Trump? lol.

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Oh great, then we get a more mature version of Bush in office.
 
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