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Then why blame them if you admit it was a bad war? If you had the money to do it, would you still have sent your kids off to die or would you have done anything to protect them?

i have never had the kind of money to keep my kids from being sheltered and protected like that...in hindsight if i knew then what i know now i would not have wanted my son to go to Vietnam....but as a kid in high school i used to watch walter Cronkite showing scenes of the Vietnam war on tv and i knew my time was coming, i was prepared to go and do what i thought was THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

the Vietnam war ended when i was a sophomore in high school...the draft ended and my company in boot camp was one of the 1st to not be drafted, we VOLUNTEERED!!!

i had many friends who had older brothers in Vietnam, a few of them did not come home and many of them came back really messed up--my friends and i and everyone i knew back then thought of those privileged sons sitting out the war with college deferments as cowardly draft dodgers--of course that was just the perception of poor people who didn't have any choice but to go!!!
 
Go back and read that again. The painter is named Chung. A conservative wouldn't cry for days because Trump was elected.

"Paul Berger, a former Anchorage professor and self-described conservative, shared his opinion on the painting."

I misread, and believe you misrepresented. By that I mean, you stated a 'professor' but neglected to state he taught Art. It's a difference that makes all the difference, no? It's a piece of Art much like any other piece of Art. If you understood the impetus of creativity, you would also know it's importance.

I don't think you get it, except to use it as your own form of propaganda to prove some kind of point. That said, everyone is welcome to their opinions about the piece of art. Art is valid when it inspires criticism and, or admiration.

Then again, all Art is some form of propaganda.
 
i have never had the kind of money to keep my kids from being sheltered and protected like that...in hindsight if i knew then what i know now i would not have wanted my son to go to Vietnam....but as a kid in high school i used to watch walter Cronkite showing scenes of the Vietnam war on tv and i knew my time was coming, i was prepared to go and do what i thought was THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

the Vietnam war ended when i was a sophomore in high school...the draft ended and my company in boot camp was one of the 1st to not be drafted, we VOLUNTEERED!!!

i had many friends who had older brothers in Vietnam, a few of them did not come home and many of them came back really messed up--my friends and i and everyone i knew back then thought of those privileged sons sitting out the war with college deferments as cowardly draft dodgers--of course that was just the perception of poor people who didn't have any choice but to go!!!

When I was of age, there was still registration for the selective services, and I proudly went and signed my name. There was never a draft since, but I don't believe you were off in your thinking of those who dodged the draft because they were cowards. It mislabels those with legitimate reasons. If one was a conscientious objector, or actually disabled, they would be lumped in with the wealthy dodgers.

It also doesn't mean in hindsight you cannot be bitter about how we did what we did in Vietnam; or Nixon extending the war for political gain!. There is plenty of blame to go around, but that doesn't excuse the dodging cowards at the time. We can all look back at quite a few involvement in history and shake an accusing finger at some of the impetus for joining, or perpetuating the war drums in a newly coined conflict for nefarious reasons.

There's nothing wrong with how you thought at the time. Stop beating yourself up if you are.
 
i have never had the kind of money to keep my kids from being sheltered and protected like that...in hindsight if i knew then what i know now i would not have wanted my son to go to Vietnam....but as a kid in high school i used to watch walter Cronkite showing scenes of the Vietnam war on tv and i knew my time was coming, i was prepared to go and do what i thought was THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

the Vietnam war ended when i was a sophomore in high school...the draft ended and my company in boot camp was one of the 1st to not be drafted, we VOLUNTEERED!!!

i had many friends who had older brothers in Vietnam, a few of them did not come home and many of them came back really messed up--my friends and i and everyone i knew back then thought of those privileged sons sitting out the war with college deferments as cowardly draft dodgers--of course that was just the perception of poor people who didn't have any choice but to go!!!

I completely get that. I just always found it odd that the anger is placed towards the people that have the means to get around the situation rather than the government causing the situation in the first place. Like you said though, this is all hindsight, but the same story seems to happen over and over again.
 
When I was of age, there was still registration for the selective services, and I proudly went and signed my name. There was never a draft since, but I don't believe you were off in your thinking of those who dodged the draft because they were cowards. It mislabels those with legitimate reasons. If one was a conscientious objector, or actually disabled, they would be lumped in with the wealthy dodgers.

It also doesn't mean in hindsight you cannot be bitter about how we did what we did in Vietnam; or Nixon extending the war for political gain!. There is plenty of blame to go around, but that doesn't excuse the dodging cowards at the time. We can all look back at quite a few involvement in history and shake an accusing finger at some of the impetus for joining, or perpetuating the war drums in a newly coined conflict for nefarious reasons.

There's nothing wrong with how you though at the time. Stop beating yourself up if you are.

Maybe I'm misreading your post, but who are you saying are cowards? People that didn't want to go and murder against their will? Can you clarify, because it sounds like that and you're saying you're somwhoe above them because you signed you name on a piece of paper like every other 18 year old male has.
 
Maybe I'm misreading your post, but who are you saying are cowards? People that didn't want to go and murder against their will? Can you clarify, because it sounds like that and you're saying you're somwhoe above them because you signed you name on a piece of paper like every other 18 year old male has.

I think hypocrites would be a better word, but in the case of our now President, coward and hypocrite both fit. It's about privilege in escaping responsibility, but also the added insult of either profiting from war, or other ways and means with influence. I think that is clearer. I believe in conscientious objections which I detailed as well. You may have glossed over that portion of my post.
 
I think hypocrites would be a better word, but in the case of our now President, coward and hypocrite both fit. It's about privilege in escaping responsibility, but also the added insult of either profiting from war, or other ways and means with influence. I think that is clearer. I believe in conscientious objections which I detailed as well. You may have glossed over that portion of my post.

No, I saw that part which is why I was confused. My apologies for not understanding, but thank you for clarifying and I agree. If you opted out of a war only to then profit from it in the future or send people off into it, then coward is a fitting word.
 
Why is that the people who use the term snowflake the most are the ones so bothered by what other people do?

I'm bothered because the snowflakes in college are the ones bothered with rational thought, and are always seeking to impose their philosophy and their offensive nature on others. As evidenced by all the college crybabies we've seen multiply over the last few years.
 
I misread, and believe you misrepresented. By that I mean, you stated a 'professor' but neglected to state he taught Art. It's a difference that makes all the difference, no? It's a piece of Art much like any other piece of Art. If you understood the impetus of creativity, you would also know it's importance.

I don't think you get it, except to use it as your own form of propaganda to prove some kind of point. That said, everyone is welcome to their opinions about the piece of art. Art is valid when it inspires criticism and, or admiration.

Then again, all Art is some form of propaganda.

So an art teacher at a college isn't a professor? Sure. He said he cried for days when Trump was elected, so that makes him a snowflake.

"A professor at an Alaska university has put a painting of President Donald Trump’s decapitated head on display at the college art gallery.

Thomas Chung, assistant professor of Painting at the University of Alaska Anchorage, painted a portrait of a “Captain America” actor holding Trump’s severed head with two eagles to his side and a young Hillary Clinton holding onto the actor’s leg, as reported by KTUU."

So how exactly did I mistepresent?
 
I'm bothered because the snowflakes in college are the ones bothered with rational thought, and are always seeking to impose their philosophy and their offensive nature on others. As evidenced by all the college crybabies we've seen multiply over the last few years.

So you're bothered because strangers you've never met are bothered and a news article told you to be bothered? Or poor Elsa, we'll have to be gentler with you.
 
So an art teacher at a college isn't a professor? Sure. He said he cried for days when Trump was elected, so that makes him a snowflake.

"A professor at an Alaska university has put a painting of President Donald Trump’s decapitated head on display at the college art gallery.

Thomas Chung, assistant professor of Painting at the University of Alaska Anchorage, painted a portrait of a “Captain America” actor holding Trump’s severed head with two eagles to his side and a young Hillary Clinton holding onto the actor’s leg, as reported by KTUU."

So how exactly did I mistepresent?

I have a question. Are you young? and.. 'free'? Really? Have you given thought to the namesake? Or are you just not married? Look at my namesake, justhere4comm. Nobody really knows I just had no idea what to put down, and since i'm on here for open communication, it made sense at the time. I don't think it's very cool. (lol) It could mean, I'm just here to commune with others which is similar. I'm sure other people can draw their own conclusions.

I can draw all I want from your user name, but there may only be one answer, or if I take it as art there can be many. There can be the face value namesake that is fairly clear, or there can be the other meanings applied.

A piece of art is the same, or who created it can vary it's definition a little. Let's look at George W. Bush who painted as well. He painted portraits of people he said he met and drew in person. It turns out he used images, owned by others to work from. At face value, without knowing, those images are unique, but with further information represented, those representations take on a whole new meaning. Plageurism or Artistic license?

What I am saying here is, you represented a 'professor' and I picked at the fact it could have been just any professor. Thin of an Economics Professor or Civics Professor and then consider a Professor of the Arts. This does send a slightly different message right? If not, that is how you see it and further defines your intentions as unintentionally misleading based on my perception. There is no harm in that, it's not intentional but had an effect.

The artist's vision of a piece of art has it's own motivations which can lie anywhere on the spectrum of opinion as well. He or she could be expressing themselves in order to exercise demons, and clear themselves of what they have experienced, and or they are making a political historical propaganda message. The Nazi's were fabulous at this, as were the Americans during WWII. Both sides enlisted artists to help their efforts. Remember the Cold War? The CIA enlisted the help of artists as well. That's another story.

People are of the mind set they create something for many reasons, and some of them are just misunderstood, or does it really matter? If you see a work of art and it moves you to anger; tears; joyfulness, or any feelings, it has fulfilled it's promise as a piece of art and no explanation is needed. The same can be said for music. We interpret words as we see fit according to how we feel, and the artist's intentions can be known or unknown.

I hope this expresses better, my feelings on the topic. You have the right to be offended from Art; Music; Politic; anything, and I have the right not to be. Some say Art is a form of communication, and I know some great artists who disagree and say communication cannot be proven without language. That's another argument as well, and trust me when I say, I have a transcript of a similar conversation that took on it's own life on the topic.

If you want to argue differences of philosophy; who's better or right versus wrong, we both can step back and look from one another's perspective and find a common ground. For instance, I haven't seen the quality of the piece of art. It may be horribly executed. (pun) It may be a perfect example of historical representational art depicting an execution, or it might be horrible on so many levels the artists intention is just absurdly violent and his own twisted vision of reality.


All of that said, it can be boiled down to this:

I don't have much else to say on the topic of this man's work of art. Professor or not. The distinction of who made it is not necessary was my thinking, but I can also see how one would take issue with an Economics Professor compared to an Art Professor has a certain differentiation of perception.
 
A lot of right wingers are turning on Donald Trump for for by follow up on the some issues he promised to address.
 
A lot of right wingers are turning on Donald Trump for for by follow up on the some issues he promised to address.

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Thanks for giving my daughter patents btw during our little talk and say high to porky for me, he is doing a great job scaring the crap out of people promoting my secret military industrial complex agendas.
 
So you're bothered because strangers you've never met are bothered and a news article told you to be bothered? Or poor Elsa, we'll have to be gentler with you.

I'm bothered because colleges aren't teaching young people to grow up. That the world isn't fair. You don't always get your way. That temper tantrums aren't the way to have a grown up discussion.

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At least one college president has a spine.

Look at what the crybabies have done to Mizzou. All of the press that's given to these snowflakes emboldens more to go out and do the same thing. Snowflakes are the ones getting bothered about something because a reporter told them to be.

Because Mizzou didn't teach these students how to be adults in how they aired their grivences, they lost 1500 freshmen and $30M from their budget.
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I'm bothered because colleges aren't teaching young people to grow up. That the world isn't fair. You don't always get your way. That temper tantrums aren't the way to have a grown up discussion.

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At least one college president has a spine.

Look at what the crybabies have done to Mizzou. All of the press that's given to these snowflakes emboldens more to go out and do the same thing. Snowflakes are the ones getting bothered about something because a reporter told them to be.

Because Mizzou didn't teach these students how to be adults in how they aired their grivences, they lost 1500 freshmen and $30M from their budget.
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1) That's not what colleges are for. Life experience is how people grow up and learn that the world isn't fair. 2) You obviously have an issue with BLM. Why are you focusing just on colleges? You're a very confused little snowflake.
 
1) That's not what colleges are for. Life experience is how people grow up and learn that the world isn't fair. 2) You obviously have an issue with BLM. Why are you focusing just on colleges? You're a very confused little snowflake.

It's obvious colleges aren't there to teach kids about reality. They just have nut job professors that indoctrinate students to their leftist ideology. When universities all over the country espoused free speach and free thought on their campuses, yet go out of their way and overboard to kill speach that isn't lefty in nature. It's not just about BLM. They are just one example. Plenty of white crybaby snowflakes on colleges as well.
 
It's obvious colleges aren't there to teach kids about reality. They just have nut job professors that indoctrinate students to their leftist ideology. When universities all over the country espoused free speach and free thought on their campuses, yet go out of their way and overboard to kill speach that isn't lefty in nature. It's not just about BLM. They are just one example. Plenty of white crybaby snowflakes on colleges as well.

It's also obvious that you've never been to college and have created some warped version in your mind. Here my snowflake friend; some words of advice [video=youtube;L0MK7qz13bU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU[/video]
 
It's also obvious that you've never been to college and have created some warped version in your mind. Here my snowflake friend; some words of advice [video=youtube;L0MK7qz13bU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU[/video]

Thanks for your keen all knowing insight. If I acted like these college kids, and adults do, my parents would have whooped my ass. I guess I'm a minority that had parents and adults that taught me how to be respectful and act in a way that showed respect to other people.

Maybe I need to create a new protected class of minorities. People that are treated unfairly because they act like an adult and dont throw temper tantrums.
 
It's obvious colleges aren't there to teach kids about reality. They just have nut job professors that indoctrinate students to their leftist ideology. When universities all over the country espoused free speach and free thought on their campuses, yet go out of their way and overboard to kill speach that isn't lefty in nature. It's not just about BLM. They are just one example. Plenty of white crybaby snowflakes on colleges as well.

You're on a slippery slope with your vernacular and logical generalizations. Some college is not for everyone, and each college is not for everyone, does not mean every college is not for everyone. What do you mean about 'reality'? Is your reality determined by your perceptions; upbringing; psychological factors based on prejudices; ability to deal with ambiguities or differences; other competency based understandings, what ethical lens you view the world from (i.e., Autonomy; Rationality; Sensibility; Equality) framed around a Relationship Lens / Reputation Lens / Rights & Responsibilities Lens / or Results Lens?

I wouldn't blame you, if you have had it reading up to this point skip to the bolded text below:

It's most likely a combination of all with a leaning towards one. When you recognize this, then you can begin to appreciate where others are coming from when differing from yours. That is the basis for team building and community along with dealing with life situations. I learned that from school. It has something to do with an alleged realty, and one I have issues with, but it what you speak of.

It's also how I can look at someone like Donald Trump and determine he has a great lack or caring to understand anything new, which emanates from a very early age of enabling; not having to deal with reality as we all know, and living a life of privilege making decisions he has no business making for others. He also surrounds himself with people like himself. This is not a good thing. One however stupid, should not be the smartest person in the room.

Education is very important, and the keyboard you are typing on would never have been invented without it. Schools don't teach reality, that is where your parents come into play, with friends, and family. You don't pay tuition for a lesson in reality, you pay to learn how to learn, what you need to learn.

I'm walking the edge of the razor with this because part of me agrees with you. Except for your all encompassing statement about College and this particular focus of attention regarding a piece of art. It doesn't seem genuine or necessary because it isn't. It's a piece of art.

Philosophy and Logic in school teach us how to listen critically to messages we receive, then challenge them when necessary maturely. It's a form of science that needs to be repeated. Challenging is ok. Shutting it down is Fascist. Which do you prefer? You have the right to be offended, and I have the right not to be, you don't have the right to decide what is or is not Art, or isn't freedom, or reality.

By the way. What is reality?
 
"That is the basis for team building and community along with dealing with life situations. I learned that from school."

My beef is with much more than the stupid painting, if you've read any of my other posts. The painting article was just another example. Your college experience taught you exactly what I'm saying is lacking in the examples I've posted. How exactly are these professors that be posted about even coming close to building a community and teaching kids about doing so, in a respectful manner.
 
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At least Bill Maher gets it.

I get some of the things your saying, the thing is there are some standout examples among about some 10,000 colleges across the states such as Berkley which I have my own concerns as to what is happening that are similar to yours. What I cant answer is how may colleges of the 10,000 or so that have similar type professors, students, etc....I would get its rather a smaller percentage but I dunno. On top of that, out of a huge group of professors your going to get a mix some of who would be on your side.The issue I think is society as a whole is changing in the direction we see, I dont think this is exclusive to any particular college or professor.

I would say by college time its too late anyways, the Department of Education brainwashes kids at a young age, its designed to bring up state serving goblins under the control of authority and insider interests (such as George Soros) and to make our future better I say abolish the DoE.
 
"Education is very important, and the keyboard you are typing on would never have been invented without it. Schools don't teach reality, that is where your parents come into play, with friends, and family. You don't pay tuition for a lesson in reality, you pay to learn how to learn, what you need to learn. "

So these colleges that I have posted news articles about are teaching people how to cry and throw temper tantrums to get their way and force the institution they are paying money to bend to their every whim and microaggression. That's my point.
 
"Education is very important, and the keyboard you are typing on would never have been invented without it. Schools don't teach reality, that is where your parents come into play, with friends, and family. You don't pay tuition for a lesson in reality, you pay to learn how to learn, what you need to learn. "

So these colleges that I have posted news articles about are teaching people how to cry and throw temper tantrums to get their way and force the institution they are paying money to bend to their every whim and microaggression. That's my point.

Just because students attending a college are acting a certain way doesn't mean the college is teaching them that YOU DENSE ****ING SNOWFLAKE!
 
Thanks for your keen all knowing insight. If I acted like these college kids, and adults do, my parents would have whooped my ass. I guess I'm a minority that had parents and adults that taught me how to be respectful and act in a way that showed respect to other people.

Maybe I need to create a new protected class of minorities. People that are treated unfairly because they act like an adult and dont throw temper tantrums.

Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them whether I agree with how they are doing it or not. You keep talking about this issue and I don't see how it affects your life at all. You're calling out people and using the typical clueless catchphrases, yet you're the one being "triggered". How does somebody crying and acting like a child on a college campus affect you?
 
I'm bothered because colleges aren't teaching young people to grow up. That the world isn't fair. You don't always get your way. That temper tantrums aren't the way to have a grown up discussion.

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At least one college president has a spine.

Look at what the crybabies have done to Mizzou. All of the press that's given to these snowflakes emboldens more to go out and do the same thing. Snowflakes are the ones getting bothered about something because a reporter told them to be.

Because Mizzou didn't teach these students how to be adults in how they aired their grivences, they lost 1500 freshmen and $30M from their budget.
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Colleges don't teach people about how to grow up.

Do you even know what college is for?
 

"Philosophy and Logic in school teach us how to listen critically to messages we receive, then challenge them when necessary maturely. It's a form of science that needs to be repeated. Challenging is ok. Shutting it down is Fascist."

You agree with my point then. These colleges I've posted about are shutting down free thought or actions that are counter to the lefty ideology. Shutting down and cancelling speakers that have different viewpoints is exactly the point I've been making about these fascist colleges. The fact that the college condones and encourages it as an institution is my problem with all of it. If the local BLM chapter at Berkley doesn't want to have Anne Coulter come speak, then they won't invite her. But when the college makes an invite as an exercise of "inclusion", and then rescinds it because they know their campus idiots are going to riot, it's a problem. Instead of making a statement about how much the school encourages discourse from differing opinions, and trying to have a teaching moment, they make the situation worse.
 
Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them whether I agree with how they are doing it or not. You keep talking about this issue and I don't see how it affects your life at all. You're calling out people and using the typical clueless catchphrases, yet you're the one being "triggered". How does somebody crying and acting like a child on a college campus affect you?

How does having a conservative personality come speak at their campus "affect" them to the point of temper tantrums?
 
"Philosophy and Logic in school teach us how to listen critically to messages we receive, then challenge them when necessary maturely. It's a form of science that needs to be repeated. Challenging is ok. Shutting it down is Fascist."

You agree with my point then. These colleges I've posted about are shutting down free thought or actions that are counter to the lefty ideology. Shutting down and cancelling speakers that have different viewpoints is exactly the point I've been making about these fascist colleges. The fact that the college condones and encourages it as an institution is my problem with all of it. If the local BLM chapter at Berkley doesn't want to have Anne Coulter come speak, then they won't invite her. But when the college makes an invite as an exercise of "inclusion", and then rescinds it because they know their campus idiots are going to riot, it's a problem. Instead of making a statement about how much the school encourages discourse from differing opinions, and trying to have a teaching moment, they make the situation worse.

Its a private college though they can shut out any voice they want and teach in any way they want really, do you suggest big government intervene? Whats your solution? Berkley is just a single college though primarily in liberal areas its not too big a deal. People have many other options to have their voices heard.
 
Its a private college though they can shut out any voice they want and teach in any way they want really, do you suggest big government intervene? Whats your solution? Berkley is just a single college though primarily in liberal areas its not too big a deal. People have many other options to have their voices heard.

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It's a public university for one. Government doesn't need to do anything. I would just like for a college that professes inclusion and tolerance not to sanction stupid BS like they do that's in direct conflict.
 
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It's a public university for one. Government doesn't need to do anything. I would just like for a college that professes inclusion and tolerance not to sanction stupid BS like they do that's in direct conflict.

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I don't care what they do. You're the only one talking about it and if you truly believe in free speech, then you would support their right to have tantrums.

You said "Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them"

Unlike you, I don't support the institutionalized trampling on free speech of dissenting opinions that is perpetuated by the universities I've cited.
 
You said "Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them"

Unlike you, I don't support the institutionalized trampling on free speech of dissenting opinions that is perpetuated by the universities I've cited.

You haven't actually cited anything supporting that or your completely incorrect view of how universities work.
 
You said "Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them"

Unlike you, I don't support the institutionalized trampling on free speech of dissenting opinions that is perpetuated by the universities I've cited.

Did you go to any college? I've been to 6. It's about learning not activism.
 
I think this education and college topic needs to die....

Let's go Dump!
 
Oh about his failed University scam... lol. $25,000,000 payout. He got off easy. He's a scumbag who lied to people for gain.
 
You said "Most of those students are acting out against things that actually affect them"

Unlike you, I don't support the institutionalized trampling on free speech of dissenting opinions that is perpetuated by the universities I've cited.
I actually accidentally "thanked" this post, that's what I get for using the app after little sleep lol.
 
It's obvious colleges aren't there to teach kids about reality. They just have nut job professors that indoctrinate students to their leftist ideology. When universities all over the country espoused free speach and free thought on their campuses, yet go out of their way and overboard to kill speach that isn't lefty in nature. It's not just about BLM. They are just one example. Plenty of white crybaby snowflakes on colleges as well.
You have no idea what "college" is like.
 
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