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Donald Trump running for president

Misfit28 said:
Exactly. He ran on a platform of intolerance and hatred. He appealed to the basest of instincts, violence, in order to win the Presidency.
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So did Hitlery war mongering all over the middle east, Russia, and especially Iran.

Your no different than President Dump supporters.
 
youngandfree said:
Your meals on wheels comment implies he spent the money on that bomb inoted of meals on wheels. That bomb was bought a long time ago.
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Bombs = Military spending

Trump's budget = Greater military spending

Meals on Wheels = Social program

Trump's budget = Cuts to social programs

Quit being obtuse. Are you saying Trump is going to go against his campaign promise of more military spending? Or will he only use old equipment to wage his wars?
 
Misfit28 said:
I'll be honest, I really didn't like Clinton's policies either. I technically voted for Johnson, I traded my vote to PA where someone voted for Hillary in exchange ;)

I no longer consider myself a Democrat, either.
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Well, that vote is PA was more meaningful so it doesnt make you any better imo.

Anyways congrats on leaving the Democratic party, because by that you also left the Republican party as they are both one and the same.
 
justhere4comm said:
Trump did say he wanted to bomb the shît out of them right? All of them. Even their families. It looks like he's going to make good on one of his promises. Maybe he could just save us time, show us his taxes, reveal his 5th or is it 6th impeachable offense and let the adults run the show.
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There's protests for Trump to show us guys taxes today.

Maybe people actually do care about that ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
There's protests for Trump to show us guys taxes today.

Maybe people actually do care about that ;)
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Those protestors should be doing something more productive such as protesting to end the all the wars and bring all our troops home, or having the Federal Reserve audited. Unlike Dump's income taxes (which shouldnt exist in the first place) people can be protesting things that actually are meaningful to every-bodies everyday life's. Those protestors more than likely primarily fell into the George Soros trap.
 
ax1 said:
Those protestors should be doing something more productive such as protesting to end the all the wars and bring all our troops home, or having the Federal Reserve audited. Unlike Dump's income taxes (which shouldnt exist in the first place) people can be protesting things that actually are meaningful to every-bodies everyday life's. Those protestors more than likely primarily fell into the George Soros trap.
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Doubtful ;)

Again with the Soros ;)

We deserve to know if Dump is beholden to foreign interests, especially since his family business is directly benefiting from his position.

I also agree with alot of the other, but I don't agree with abolishing the IRS. And trust me, I pay quite a bit of taxes.

Next year, I'm afraid to know how much I'll end up paying lol.
 
Misfit28 said:
Doubtful ;)

Again with the Soros ;)

We deserve to know if Dump is beholden to foreign interests, especially since his family business is directly benefiting from his position.

I also agree with alot of the other, but I don't agree with abolishing the IRS. And trust me, I pay quite a bit of taxes.

Next year, I'm afraid to know how much I'll end up paying lol.
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The IRS are the some of the dirtiest filthiest government approved criminals on the planet. I dont understand why your ok with raping peoples fruits of their labor against their will at gunpoint. This is just immoral and an outright human rights violation and should not be tolerated.

The power of the IRS is the power to destroy peoples lives.
 
ax1 said:
The IRS are the some of the dirtiest filthiest government approved criminals on the planet. I dont understand why your ok with raping peoples fruits of their labor against their will at gunpoint. This is just immoral and an outright human rights violation and should not be tolerated.

The power of the IRS is the power to destroy peoples lives.
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I guess I'm just a socialist ;)

I honestly believe that most people who don't need help won't help those less fortunate without prompting. Not much faith in the overall good of humankind, I suppose.
 
Misfit28 said:
We deserve to know if Dump is beholden to foreign interests, especially since his family business is directly benefiting from his position.
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Most of the government is on record committing treason, its not a big deal we should be all used to it by now.
 
Misfit28 said:
I guess I'm just a socialist ;)

I honestly believe that most people who don't need help won't help those less fortunate without prompting. Not much faith in the overall good of humankind, I suppose.
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So your ok with stealing and on top of that forcing people to choose what charity to contribute too?

Gimme a break.

You have too much faith in government. You want government to be the charity, steal from people in the meantime they bomb millions of people globally decade after decade and rip tax payers off by satisfying their lobbyists to primarily benefit them.
 
ax1 said:
So your ok with stealing and on top of that forcing people to choose what charity to contribute too?

Gimme a break.

You have too much faith in government. You want government to be the charity, steal from people in the meantime they bomb millions of people globally decade after decade and rip tax payers off by satisfying their lobbyists to primarily benefit them.
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No, I'm a realist. People are selfish.
 
Misfit28 said:
So you don't think exposing that hypocrisy is key in helping people realize what is really happening?
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Let the taxes be shown then....Im just in a position where I saw the people (not you specifically) who singled out Dump for taxes and foreign business interests in the meantime the ones they supported was supported by China, Saudi Arabia, Isreal among other evil empires. So my response is to all the hypocrisy Ive been seeing the past half year.

Ill side with you, Dump show your taxes!
 
Misfit28 said:
No, I'm a realist. People are selfish.
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So its better to legalize stealing from productive people? And the money ends of in the hands of people who didnt earn it? Thats your solution??? Punishing productive behaviors?

ROFL!
 
ax1 said:
So its better to legalize stealing from productive people? And the money ends of in the hands of people who didnt earn it? Thats your solution??? Punishing productive behaviors?

ROFL!
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I guess I just don't see it that way. I see it as a social contract intended to combat human selfishness. I'll admit, it isn't a perfect system, far from it.

Do I know the solution? No.

People who don't want taxes should form their own country and see how that turns out, IMO.
 
ax1 said:
So its better to legalize stealing from productive people? And the money ends of in the hands of people who didnt earn it? Thats your solution??? Punishing productive behaviors?

ROFL!
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Thats excactly ^^^^^^^^^ how democracies are obliterated and end of with war mongering dictator after another just like we have seen here in the US. Vote for me and we will give you free high speed internet and a nice shiny new Obamaphone. LLLOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
I guess I just don't see it that way. I see it as a social contract intended to combat human selfishness. I'll admit, it isn't a perfect system, far from it.

Do I know the solution? No.

People who don't want taxes should form their own country and see how that turns out, IMO.
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You have a good genuine heart though, dont think Im actually personally upset at you....we shouldnt be with these things.

You should look into Austrian Economics to better understand how it would work, and a tax free nation would prosper without a doubt.

America was income tax free prior to the Criminal 1913 Federal Reserve took a coup on the government, not that its a example of Austrian Economics. It could been much better.
 
ax1 said:
You have a good genuine heart though, dont think Im actually personally upset at you....we shouldnt be with these things.

You should look into Austrian Economics to better understand how it would work, and a tax free nation would prosper without a doubt.

America was income tax free prior to the Criminal 1913 Federal Reserve took a coup on the government, not that its a example of Austrian Economics. It could been much better.
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I'll look into it. I definitely want what's best for America.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'll look into it. I definitely want what's best for America.
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Ron Paul is one to look for if you want good introductions.

Non-related to Austrian economics: I can lean for more compromise on a state level when it comes to taxes....the problem is when the Federal Government takes over the power of corruption takes over. Fed has power over all and then there are no options to choose the quality of life you want. That happens on a state level as well, but at least maintaining a Federal Government looking out for the rights of the people we would actually have a guardian angel of sorts on the side when people need to take the State to Federal Court. This assuming you wouldnt have lobby connections, etc....you need to minimize the ability to make the Fed corruptible and minimizing its roles as much as possible. Also state powers allows people to freely escape and give people options. State compete with each other, its all good.

Anyways we can all write encyclopedias about how to do this stuff but Im sure you heard enough of my crap for a day :)
 
ax1 said:
So its better to legalize stealing from productive people? And the money ends of in the hands of people who didnt earn it? Thats your solution??? Punishing productive behaviors?

ROFL!
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Exactly. The government giving handouts doesn't incentivize people to try and take care of themselves
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youngandfree said:
The government doesn't force me to willingly give to my church.
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No, never said it did.

Churches should stay out of politics though if they want to stay tax exempt :)

Most churches seem to use their position to reinforce religious infiltration into the political system. That and the preachers seem to benefit quite nicely from all those donations.

Instead of building megachurches, perhaps they could help people with housing.

End religious rant :)

Now I do agree that people should attempt to help themselves, but I'm absolutely for giving to those who need it so that they can get there. Some are ill equipped to "take care of themselves", whether it is from mental illness, health conditions, etc.
 
Misfit28 said:
I guess I just don't see it that way. I see it as a social contract intended to combat human selfishness. I'll admit, it isn't a perfect system, far from it.

Do I know the solution? No.

People who don't want taxes should form their own country and see how that turns out, IMO.
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Why is selfishness a bad thing? If I work for my money or am given money by friends or family, why should I not get to keep it or spend it however I want?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Why is selfishness a bad thing? If I work for my money or am given money by friends or family, why should I not get to keep it or spend it however I want?
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I see it as a bad thing. It's what leads to wars. Resources, you know?

I look at it like this:. We are all humans, and we are all stuck on this rock together. We should work together as a world to make it a better place.

Yeah, yeah I know. I sound like an out of touch idealist. You have to have goals :)

I know it's unrealistic, but I'm going to work towards it anyway. In the mean time, I'll just try to make my little corner of the world a better place.

So, I guess I'm like anyone else in the end. I'm an idealist about some things, and I'm a realist about some things.
 
Misfit28 said:
I see it as a bad thing. It's what leads to wars. Resources, you know?

I look at it like this:. We are all humans, and we are all stuck on this rock together. We should work together as a world to make it a better place.

Yeah, yeah I know. I sound like an out of touch idealist. You have to have goals :)

I know it's unrealistic, but I'm going to work towards it anyway. In the mean time, I'll just try to make my little corner of the world a better place.

So, I guess I'm like anyone else in the end. I'm an idealist about some things, and I'm a realist about some things.
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as odd as it sounds I side with you on this....I will happily pay my taxes, [well maybe not happily] as long as this country provides a safety net for those actually in need---I am sure that there are many cases where people are cheating the system while we are footing the bill, but I never want to see the united states become like 3rd world countries where there is no safety net!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
I see it as a bad thing. It's what leads to wars. Resources, you know?

I look at it like this:. We are all humans, and we are all stuck on this rock together. We should work together as a world to make it a better place.

Yeah, yeah I know. I sound like an out of touch idealist. You have to have goals :)

I know it's unrealistic, but I'm going to work towards it anyway. In the mean time, I'll just try to make my little corner of the world a better place.

So, I guess I'm like anyone else in the end. I'm an idealist about some things, and I'm a realist about some things.
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as odd as it sounds I side with you on this....I will happily pay my taxes, [well maybe not happily] as long as this country provides a safety net for those actually in need---I am sure that there are many cases where people are cheating the system while we are footing the bill, but I never want to see the united states become like 3rd world countries where there is no safety net!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
No, never said it did.

Churches should stay out of politics though if they want to stay tax exempt :)

Most churches seem to use their position to reinforce religious infiltration into the political system. That and the preachers seem to benefit quite nicely from all those donations.

Instead of building megachurches, perhaps they could help people with housing.

End religious rant :)

Now I do agree that people should attempt to help themselves, but I'm absolutely for giving to those who need it so that they can get there. Some are ill equipped to "take care of themselves", whether it is from mental illness, health conditions, etc.
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How do you know what "most churches" do if you aren't in one? As to your broad generalization of churches, the vast majority of them are far from being a mega church.
 
youngandfree said:
How do you know what "most churches" do if you aren't in one? As to your broad generalization of churches, the vast majority of them are far from being a mega church.
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At least when I was growing up and went to Church (as well as attending free religion class) nobody stole my or my families money, punish me for productive behavior against my free will, threaten to incarcerate me and even steal my personal property if I didn't pay.

Somehow people hate churches but are ok with terrorizing people by means of authoritarianism and simply label it as "giving."
 
Misfit28 said:
I see it as a bad thing. It's what leads to wars. Resources, you know?

I look at it like this:. We are all humans, and we are all stuck on this rock together. We should work together as a world to make it a better place.

Yeah, yeah I know. I sound like an out of touch idealist. You have to have goals :)

I know it's unrealistic, but I'm going to work towards it anyway. In the mean time, I'll just try to make my little corner of the world a better place.

So, I guess I'm like anyone else in the end. I'm an idealist about some things, and I'm a realist about some things.
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So no wars were started with countries that had communism? Have you considered starting a commune rather than forcing slavery on people who actually contribute to the world?
 
youngandfree said:
How do you know what "most churches" do if you aren't in one? As to your broad generalization of churches, the vast majority of them are far from being a mega church.
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Oh, now you don't want to generalize a religion? Mega church or not, churches are way too involved in politics to remain tax exempt, although personally I don't think they should be tax exampt either way.
 
True about ever getting away from taxes, but there is a difference between taking the bare minimum to keep the lights on and increasing taxes to pay for others.
 
Misfit28 said:
The commune thing made me laugh.

I'm not disagreeing with your first point, even though I never actually said that.

"Slavery" may be a bit far, though.

I just don't think we will ever get away from taxes.
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Here is a solution, if your in need, 18-65 sign up for service, they are always hiring. Cant shoot a gun? Work in the kitchen.

Another option is speaking of communes..... if your fit enough to do basic simple tasks you must work at a commune...we can allocate pieces of land where "people of need" work (along with partaking in building the communes) as well as help each other especially those to unfit to contribute. Land would be in irrigable land, people can grow fresh organic crops and livestock...nobody would ever be hungry and you wouldnt be stealing from people which is a crime. You would have a roof over your head, unlimited food, fresh water, unlimited solar electricity, a deck of cards, mahjong and so forth. People in the commune can get a tax payer paid loan were you simply pay the money back simply selling surplus crops and livestock back.

Or will too many people miss cable television, nice clothes, cigarettes and alcohol?

I see stealing through authoritarianism as a bad thing. It's what leads to wars. So does lack of resources. With this plan I put in place we can easily prevent a war by covering both sides of the spectrum.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
True about ever getting away from taxes, but there is a difference between taking the bare minimum to keep the lights on and increasing taxes to pay for others.
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if the government were to take away entitlements there would be anarchy.
 
just finished reading two books that I highly recommend:

big agenda
dog company
 
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