ax1
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Most of the time it's just politions and political groups manipulating religion and it's followers for political gain.
Donald Trump running for president
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Most of the time it's just politions and political groups manipulating religion and it's followers for political gain.
mmorso
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Aleksandar37
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Exactly and that's just modern history. And yet they still justify their own religious atrocities by trying to say that another religion is worse rather than accepting their own sins. The funniest part to me is that most don't seem to realize that they have the same damn point of origin lol
mmorso
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Wtf let's have a caliphate here huh buddy...
Islam is an unnecessary world religion that needs to go away... it is "worse" than Christianity although I think the 2 can't even be compared
ax1
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The worst aspect of Islam the past 40 years or so is terrorism and extremism all created, armed, financed and trained by primarily western "Christian" leaders and politicians to destabilize the middle east along with other purposes.
justhere4comm
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Aleksandar37
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Oh look, he learned a word from the interwebs! First, caliphate doesn't even apply to all of Islam. Second, google Abraham and then come back here and tell me that they can't be compared. They are the same ****ing religion with very minor differences.
ax1
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Ron Paul: Chemical Weapons Attack in Syria Likely a False Flag
"Zero chance" Assad behind attack, says former Congressman
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According to former Congressman Ron Paul, the chemical weapons attack in Khan Sheikhoun that killed 30 children and has led to calls for the Trump administration to intervene in Syria could have been a false flag attack.
Pointing out that the prospect of peace in Syria was moving closer before the attack, with ISIS and Al-Qaeda on the run, Paul said the attack made no sense.
“It looks like maybe somebody didn’t like that so there had to be an episode,” said Paul, asking, “who benefits?”
“It doesn’t make any sense for Assad under these conditions to all of a sudden use poison gases – I think there’s zero chance he would have done this deliberately,” said Paul.
The former Congressman went on to explain how the incident was clearly being exploited by neo-cons and the deep state to enlist support for war.
“It’s the neo-conservatives who are benefiting tremendously from this because it’s derailed the progress that has already been made moving toward a more peaceful settlement in Syria,” said Paul.
Many have questioned why Assad would be so strategically stupid as to order a chemical weapons attack and incite the wrath of the world given that he is closer than ever to winning the war against ISIS and jihadist rebels.
Just five days before the attack, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said, “The longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people,” implying a definite shift in U.S. foreign policy away from regime change in Syria.
Why would Assad put such assurances in jeopardy by launching a horrific chemical attack, allowing establishment news outlets like CNN to once against use children as props to push for yet another massive war in the Middle East?
In addition, the last time the deep state attempted to exploit a chemical weapons attack to launch military strikes on Assad’s government, the incident was later proven not to have been the work of the Syrian government.
The narrative for the August 2013 attack in Ghouta, which Barack Obama cited as the pretext for a long awaited U.S. attack on government targets in aid of jihadist rebels, completely collapsed Invalid Link Removed that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.
The United Nations’ Carla Del Ponte also Invalid Link Removed that evidence suggested rebels had used sarin nerve gas.
As journalist Seymour Hersh Invalid Link Removed in December 2013, intelligence officials told him that the entire narrative was a “ruse” and that “the attack was not the result of the current regime.”
Hersh also revealed how then Secretary of State Invalid Link Removed in approving the transportation of Libyan chemical weapons stockpiles to be handed to jihadist rebels in Syria.
It’s particularly rich to see the same establishment media who were responsible for peddling fake news about “moderate rebels” for years now pushing the same agenda for another giant, endless, bloody war in the Middle East while acting like they have the moral high ground by exploiting images of dead and dying children.
The Obama administration’s intervention in Syria led directly to the refugee crisis and the rise of ISIS.
If the Trump administration falls into the trap of following that same disastrous policy, many more innocent people will die than those who sadly lost their lives in Khan Sheikhoun.
The narrative for the August 2013 attack in Ghouta, which Barack Obama cited as the pretext for a long awaited U.S. attack on government targets in aid of jihadist rebels, completely collapsed Invalid Link Removed that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.
The United Nations’ Carla Del Ponte also Invalid Link Removed that evidence suggested rebels had used sarin nerve gas.
As journalist Seymour Hersh Invalid Link Removed in December 2013, intelligence officials told him that the entire narrative was a “ruse” and that “the attack was not the result of the current regime.”
Hersh also revealed how then Secretary of State Invalid Link Removed in approving the transportation of Libyan chemical weapons stockpiles to be handed to jihadist rebels in Syria.
It’s particularly rich to see the same establishment media who were responsible for peddling fake news about “moderate rebels” for years now pushing the same agenda for another giant, endless, bloody war in the Middle East while acting like they have the moral high ground by exploiting images of dead and dying children.
The Obama administration’s intervention in Syria led directly to the refugee crisis and the rise of ISIS.
If the Trump administration falls into the trap of following that same disastrous policy, many more innocent people will die than those who sadly lost their lives in Khan Sheikhoun.
thebigt
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if you have a problem with religion then blame the men/women responsible...it is uncalled for to post something that inflammatory about JESUS CHRIST.
Aleksandar37
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it's Buddy Christ from the movie Dogma lol
thebigt
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what it is...is offensive!!!
hairygrandpa
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The gas attack was terrible -but the stink of a false flag operation hangs in the air.
Keep in mind, there was no investigation and Assad was already declared the culprit.
Politics sucks azz.
Keep in mind, there was no investigation and Assad was already declared the culprit.
Politics sucks azz.
ax1
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The one question I cant answer was if the CIA was directly involved or not.
The thing is during the Obama years we created these terrorist groups to fight Assad and a large portion ended up becoming ISIS (with intent by Obama/CIA directly or not, not sure.)
Now that Assad has been fighting the evil terrorists out of his homeland successfully with the aid from Russians, the only people who can truly gain from the chemical attack would be the Rebels aka ISIS who can try to steer Dump into doing what they have failed to do (by the help of Obama/CIA/NATO) which is to overthrow the Assad regime.
ISIS's (and or the pro war mongering globalists) greatest gift is retaliation on Assad by Dump and finish off what they cant.
Its classic Guerilla Warfare and I hope Dump isnt going to fall into the trap. Assad had absolutely nothing to gain from this.
Aleksandar37
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hairygrandpa
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thebigt
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Do you need a safe space?
i'll give you my address and we can have this conversation face to face..
it's like this, I don't say anything on the internet or behind someone's back that I wouldn't say to their face!!!
hairygrandpa
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Don't be offended when your religion was offended. It's like football, if I offend your team, I'm not offending you personally.
...just my few cents to calm the waves.
thebigt
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sorry, but I can't compare offending a football team to being offensive towards GOD!!!
it is like calling my wife a dirty name...I take it very personal!!!
hairygrandpa
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You don't share your wife with millions of people, the football comparison wins.
God can defend himself, -or not?
ok, I stop that now....leads nowhere.
thebigt
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You don't share your wife with millions of people, the football comparison wins.
God can defend himself, -or not?
ok, I stop that now....leads nowhere.
lol...you are right, people are just disrespectful and offensive in general. I can't be responsible for their bad behavior!!!
hairygrandpa
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A lot of them are.
Personally, I don't debate religion anymore, as long as it's not forced down my throat -or could potentially hurt me.
We all have a lot in common, something trivial as someones belief should not disturb social gatherings.
thebigt
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what I find ironic is that these same people who are always so eager to be offensive about GOD and religion would have a cow if I said something offensive about homosexuals.....bunch of hypoctrites--better not offend them!!!!
hairygrandpa
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See it this way, for "them" there is no god -its absurd to offend one if there isn't one.
Imagine we both offend the Loch Ness Monster, standing at the shores of lake Ness calling it a puzzy.
Now, believers in the monster may get offended.
It's not that we willingly wanted to offend the monster community, see?
Aleksandar37
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Let's be clear here that you only mean you are offended because somebody made a joke about Christianity, not religion in general. More than half this thread has been bashing Islam and I don't recall you getting all worked up about it.
ax1
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Why cant these people also be offensive to athiests, some being the most brutal murderers in human history?
thebigt
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you can say what you want about religion, it has been corrupted by man...but leave GOD out of it!!!
I take it you are an atheist?
Aleksandar37
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I'm agnostic. For the record, what exactly did I say? You do realize that I'm not even the one who even posted the picture you are upset about, right?
hairygrandpa
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Is it even possible to offend an atheist for his non-belief? I mean you could rape his mind with sermons and religious rituals, but offend him?
We know those three mass murderers (Mao,Pol pot,Stalin) did not kill in the name of atheism -so no offense taken either.
Atheists are as diverse as the smell of different farts. Some I don't associate with, like communists -or esoteric nutters.
thebigt
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I don't understand why you would think it humorous that I was offended by something that was offensive to my belief's?
I AM happy that you are at least keeping an open mind, I give you credit for that!!!
Aleksandar37
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I'm not laughing at somebody being mean to you or how you chose to respond to it. I was laughing at the irony and hypocrisy of it all. This thread has been page after page bashing Islam and not a peep, then somebody posts a stupid pic of a statue from a comedy movie and that's crossing the line! I'm not even going to go into the idol worship aspect of it. If you're differentiating God from religion, then you should have no issue with the original pic, which again, I didn't even post. That post was obviously poking fun at religion and it's emphasis on taking money.
thebigt
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so now you are offended that I was offended....lol, thanks I needed a laugh!!!
ax1
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My point always is bad people are bad people no matter what their religious/non-religious/philosophical beliefs are. I dont like knocking all the people within religions as a whole outside of basic humor time to time.
ax1
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So Im officially done with Dump, Ill stand up for policies for just plain old debate purposes but Dump is nothing but a military industrial complex war mongering dirtbag dictator just like Obama and Bush.
50 tomahawks were launched into Syria and Dump is going to be making his first war mongering speech on TV tonight.
Nothing has changed in this country.
50 tomahawks were launched into Syria and Dump is going to be making his first war mongering speech on TV tonight.
Nothing has changed in this country.
Aleksandar37
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I'm laughing at the hypocrisy. I'm not at all offended and never said I was lol
ax1
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I do to....I in my own way pray for them as well. Their country has been destroyed for no good reason.
hairygrandpa
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I "pray" that Putin keeps doing what he does best: diplomacy, while the US is bombarding the forces who are fighting ISIS....all that is completely wicked.
ax1
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That what Dump campaigned on helping russian and Assad destroy ISIS, but the neocons got to his head now he is going to help ISIS win the war in Syria. He is going to think he is stopping genocide with genocide.
Plus no matter what people think of this, this country is 20 trillion dead broke, with each Tomahawk costing 1.4 million at 50+ thats 70 million plus dollars in destruction in just 1 night and this is going to quickly add up to billions and billions of dollars in a matter of no time. So much for making America great again and "only being the President of the USA and not the President of the world" The Military Industrial Complex sure is happy tonight, stocks will be great, business with thrive and CEO's bank accounts fill up with mad cash some of it trickling down into the pockets of our warmongering politicians through lobby.
ax1
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It's been a proxy war with Russia for several years now. If you wanna know where the chemicals come from evidence all shows in 2013 it was Saudi Arabian chems. I would look at them first but Dump is selling them a new high tech weapons package so forget justice.
ax1
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Come back? I didnt even know you left.
Coming off 2 terms where Congress was told they are not needed for war approvals, they are just there for ceremonial purposes and NWO NATO tells the US military what to do Im starting to get used to it.
Aleksandar37
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ax1
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I meant under Obama they seeked NATO for war approvals fully bypassing congress and even telling them to go F themselves that they are obliged to NATO and not them...openly that is under Leon Panettas testimony.
ax1
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I'm convinced that last nights strike had nothing to do with that false flag (1 other possibility that Assad unknowingly struck rebels hidden chems depot) attack and it was really just a message to Xi Xinping.
I remember I was surprised to see Xi was waiting on the plane yesterday on CNN with Dump not being there arriving late.
It was all staged to send a clear welcome message to Xi to show him and his hooligans what Dump will call for and to have a start at the negotiating table once DPRK topic comes up. Dump had told Russia, Turkey, Isreal, Saudis along with others beforehand except China and North Korea of the attack.
It was political strategy. I believe Dump knows Assad had nothing to do with the chemical attack.
I wouldn't take full scale war in Syria for regime change seriously at least not at this point.
I remember I was surprised to see Xi was waiting on the plane yesterday on CNN with Dump not being there arriving late.
It was all staged to send a clear welcome message to Xi to show him and his hooligans what Dump will call for and to have a start at the negotiating table once DPRK topic comes up. Dump had told Russia, Turkey, Isreal, Saudis along with others beforehand except China and North Korea of the attack.
It was political strategy. I believe Dump knows Assad had nothing to do with the chemical attack.
I wouldn't take full scale war in Syria for regime change seriously at least not at this point.
Aleksandar37
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Or it was just a smoke screen so Trump could appear to be tough on Putin without actually attacking him directly Invalid Link Removed
Extremely a conspiracy theory at this point, but who knows anymore. I do know that Trump doesn't give a **** about the Syrian people that were seen dying in videos from the other day.
Extremely a conspiracy theory at this point, but who knows anymore. I do know that Trump doesn't give a **** about the Syrian people that were seen dying in videos from the other day.
ax1
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As of right now all these Russian agent mainstream media conspiracy theorists are drooling and having orgasms over the strikes and destruction and distracted for just a bit. War is great for ratings.
youngandfree
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Apparently they took down your conspiracy theory.