Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
Dump didnt have a chance to do anything yet, thats why the globalists are out to destroy him....or at least making it appear as they are.
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My question is if he's really such a "wild card," why would they have let him be elected in the first place? Surely they'd be powerful enough to fix an election, especially this one.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Honest question: if this NWO is truly intelligent, powerful, and influential enough to have control over the entire world, over the governments of all the powerful countries in the world, or to even have that reasonably within their reach, what makes you think that a bunch of keyboard warriors know anything at all about it? Either it'd be the most obvious case of hiding in plain sight in the history of history, or there's a plethora of red herrings that we're all chasing after.
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Now you're on to something :)
 
ax1 said:
Reagan was anti-NWO until after they almost took his life and then things changed, he changed....ya never know.
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I was thinking of a different president who seemed to get in the way-jfk...even if lee Harvey WAS the lone shooter I still don't believe he was acting alone--never have and probably never will!!!
 
thebigt said:
I was thinking of a different president who seemed to get in the way-jfk...even if lee Harvey WAS the lone shooter I still don't believe he was acting alone--never have and probably never will!!!
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Did you read "1963" by Stephen King? Great book!

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muscleupcrohn said:
My question is if he's really such a "wild card," why would they have let him be elected in the first place? Surely they'd be powerful enough to fix an election, especially this one.
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one possibility is that like brexit, they never seen it or trump coming!!!

both were never supposed to happen......
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Honest question: if this NWO is truly intelligent, powerful, and influential enough to have control over the entire world, over the governments of all the powerful countries in the world, or to even have that reasonably within their reach, what makes you think that a bunch of keyboard warriors know anything at all about it? Either it'd be the most obvious case of hiding in plain sight in the history of history, or there's a plethora of red herrings that we're all chasing after.
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They dont have control over the entire world, all Im saying is thats what the agenda is, to have a global infrastructure controlled by a few elite.

Look at the Euro for example and how that turned out. A bunch of un-elected bureaucrats run the show. This was its original intended purpose to start forming world government.

They arent hiding anything in plain site, they have been very open about the NWO.

Climate change (hoax or not thats not the point) is a fine example on how the elite want to have global taxation payed to a global private bank. Obama of course is all for the NWO.
 
"In the past the conspirators were usually said to be crypto-communists who were intent upon bringing the United States under a common world government with the Soviet Union, but the dissolution of the USSR in 1991 undercut that theory. Domhoff notes that most conspiracy theorists changed their focus to the United Nations as the likely controlling force in a New World Order, an idea which is undermined by the powerlessness of the U.N. and the unwillingness of even moderates within the American Establishment to give it anything but a limited role."

WRT Trump and the election - doesnt it seem too coincidental that all of these behind the scene relationships with Russia have come to light since his candidacy. Not to mention Trump being (acting the role of) a Putin sympathizer.
 
ax1 said:
They dont have control over the entire world, all Im saying is thats what the agenda is, to have a global infrastructure controlled by a few elite.

Look at the Euro for example and how that turned out. A bunch of un-elected bureaucrats run the show. This was its original intended purpose to start forming world government.

They arent hiding anything in plain site, they have been very open about the NWO.

Climate change (hoax or not thats not the point) is a fine example on how the elite want to have global taxation payed to a global private bank. Obama of course is all for the NWO.
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And US and Russia are just going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya by the campfire?
thebigt said:
one possibility is that like brexit, they never seen it or trump coming!!!

both were never supposed to happen......
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Meh, if they're truly even remotely capable of instituting a true global government, then they should be above something like this, if something like this is really a danger/threat to their agenda. Just my $0.02.

Again, there are a lot of assumptions being made here to even have this conversation.
 
thebigt said:
I was thinking of a different president who seemed to get in the way-jfk...even if lee Harvey WAS the lone shooter I still don't believe he was acting alone--never have and probably never will!!!
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Ive seen many JFK documentaries on TV since I was a kid, including those "conspiracy" ones....not one of them I have seen ever show the video where the secret service were called off from protecting him and they were in disbelief.

 
muscleupcrohn said:
And US and Russia are just going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya by the campfire?

Meh, if they're truly even remotely capable of instituting a true global government, then they should be above something like this, if something like this is really a danger/threat to their agenda. Just my $0.02.

Again, there are a lot of assumptions being made here to even have this conversation.
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We dont need assumptions, they openly want this.
 
Misfit28 said:
Did you read "1963" by Stephen King? Great book!

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no...but I will add it to my list for the library. love Stephen king!!!

the good versus evil in the stand was a real mind bender...when I read it the 1st time I just kept imagining the possibilities-all the secrets could be revealed-could sleep in the white house-drive a Lamborghini-you get the point...needful things was great too

king rocks!!!
 
ax1 said:
We dont need assumptions, they openly want this.
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Saying that they "want it" and it's possible for them to achieve it are apples and oranges at best. Kim Jong Un wants to destroy America, but that doesn't mean that it's something that he's even remotely capable of doing. What would this global/world government/state even look like? What would citizens be allowed to do, what freedoms would they have? What religion(s) would they be allowed to practice? How do they prevent at least one group/country/region/etc from revolting/rebelling against this rule? There are just so many questions.
 
thebigt said:
Bilderberg group comes to mind.
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Do you remember how just 8 years ago if you ever even mentioned the word Bilderberg you were labeled a crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, the Bilderberg group didnt exist, you belong in a funny farm....blah blah blah you say anything about them on TV they discredit you as a looney toon...you believe in santa and the easter bunny....

Then what happened, independent journalists were following them along the world and their secret meetings and the story got so big then all the sudden the Bilderberg group were like hey guys, hello always been here hehe here is our website and some of our members, nothing to see here.
 
David Dunn said:
Best friend is a 25 year enlisted now retired Navy Veteran. He was an AT.

He was aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln for a 10-month deployment to the Arabian Gulf in support of Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. He and his subordinates were responsible for AT support and maintenance for the worlds most bad ass fixed wing and rotory wing aircraft.

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It was supposed to be a 6 month deployment and he returned 10 months later to be introduced to his son whom his wife had delivered alone during the unexpected extended deployment.

Pretty damn important and stressful role keeping those aircraft flightworthy.

I road tripped to see him in South Philli in 1987 when he returned from his very first carrier deployment on the USS Kitty Hawk. Also had the opportunity to join him stationed in Hawaii for a weeks vacation 10 years later.
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was texting my friend last night...
Btw. I met my 2nd son for the first time that day!!!!
I would have been out of that picture all the way to the left.
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muscleupcrohn said:
Saying that they "want it" and it's possible for them to achieve it are apples and oranges at best. Kim Jong Un wants to destroy America, but that doesn't mean that it's something that he's even remotely capable of doing. What would this global/world government/state even look like? What would citizens be allowed to do, what freedoms would they have? What religion(s) would they be allowed to practice? How do they prevent at least one group/country/region/etc from revolting/rebelling against this rule? There are just so many questions.
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They have achieved a large amount of global power and influence, the feat is nothing short of amazing to this point.
 
ax1 said:
Ive seen many JFK documentaries on TV since I was a kid, including those "conspiracy" ones....not one of them I have seen ever show the video where the secret service were called off from protecting him and they were in disbelief.

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seriously...if you conspire to assassinate a president you would want to keep numbers very low...why would rank and file secret service need to be in on plot?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
How do they prevent at least one group/country/region/etc from revolting/rebelling against this rule? There are just so many questions.
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Maybe some day they will start a war...or a bunch of wars and threaten wars against any resistors? Nah, that will never happen in my lifetime, lol
 
ax1 said:
They have achieved a large amount of global power and influence, the feat is nothing short of amazing to this point.
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How would this NWO government work/run? Essentially global colonialism? How will all the powers be equally represented? How will they prevent revolt/revolution that has always been the inevitable result of colonialism?
 
thebigt said:
seriously...if you conspire to assassinate a president you would want to keep numbers very low...why would rank and file secret service need to be in on plot?
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I didnt say the actual secret service agents, but a single mole by the name of Emery Roberts who called the stand down order.
 
ax1 said:
Do you remember how just 8 years ago if you ever even mentioned the word Bilderberg you were labeled a crazy tin foil hat conspiracy theorist, the Bilderberg group didnt exist, you belong in a funny farm....blah blah blah you say anything about them on TV they discredit you as a looney toon...you believe in santa and the easter bunny....

Then what happened, independent journalists were following them along the world and their secret meetings and the story got so big then all the sudden the Bilderberg group were like hey guys, hello always been here hehe here is our website and some of our members, nothing to see here.
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henry kissenger.....'the illegal we do immediately. the unconstitutional takes a little longer'
 
ax1 said:
I didnt say the actual secret service agents, but a single mole by the name of Emery Roberts who called the stand down order.
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one bad apple spoils the whole bunch-baby....can't believe I am quoting the osmonds-geez, been a long day, lol.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
How would this NWO government work/run? Essentially global colonialism? How will all the powers be equally represented? How will they prevent revolt/revolution that has always been the inevitable result of colonialism?
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The EU is a good example of the beginnings of the world government. I think its best that I leave it there, if you were truly interested you would do some homework no offense but I cant possibly spend hours and hours here trying to explain every possible scenario that can happen along the path.

The fact that you dont see that they already are trying to prevent a revolt/revolution on this very day and havent been doing so for many decades I just give up and leave that to you to find out on your own my friend regardless of what you respectfully believe :)
 
muscleupcrohn said:
How would this NWO government work/run? Essentially global colonialism? How will all the powers be equally represented? How will they prevent revolt/revolution that has always been the inevitable result of colonialism?
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how about the EU...wouldn't that be an example-at least a starting point?
 
Ill re-post this video again apparently some of you accidentally missed it but have a good night folks.

 
ax1 said:
The EU is a good example of the beginnings of the world government. I think its best that I leave it there, if you were truly interested you would do some homework no offense but I cant possibly spend hours and hours here trying to explain every possible scenario that can happen along the path.

The fact that you dont see that they already are trying to prevent a revolt/revolution on this very day and havent been doing so for many decades I just give up and leave that to you to find out on your own my friend regardless of what you respectfully believe :)
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I think you're misinterpreting my point entirely. Again, I'm not saying that there isn't a group that has a lot of power, and perhaps wants to establish a "NWO," but I'm just saying that it's nowhere near coming to fruition now, and it also seems highly unlikely that if there is some secret "shadow organization" behind this, that we'd know anything of real substance about them. Yes, the EU is a good example of a group that has significant power over multiple countries, but that's still nowhere near a NWO, and is having some problems of its own, if we take things at face value and don't assume that they're just fronts for something. Even Europe is still just one geographical region in the world, consisting of some smaller countries, many of which with similar, or at least compatable, cultures/ideologies/etc. Getting the United States, Russia, China, all of the EU, and the Middle East to come together under a single state/rule is a completely different beast entirely.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I think you're misinterpreting my point entirely. Again, I'm not saying that there isn't a group that has a lot of power, and perhaps wants to establish a "NWO," but I'm just saying that it's nowhere near coming to fruition now, and it also seems highly unlikely that if there is some secret "shadow organization" behind this, that we'd know anything of real substance about them. Yes, the EU is a good example of a group that has significant power over multiple countries, but that's still nowhere near a NWO, and is having some problems of its own, if we take things at face value and don't assume that they're just fronts for something. Even Europe is still just one geographical region in the world, consisting of some smaller countries, many of which with similar, or at least compatable, cultures/ideologies/etc. Getting the United States, Russia, China, all of the EU, and the Middle East to come together under a single state/rule is a completely different beast entirely.
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What Im saying is that there is a process, and its a long term process nothing that will happen over night. There is resistance to the process and if people arent aware of this thats when with a matter of time its too late. The US, China and EU are all already NWO collaborating groups...Russia is not. This is pretty easy to see. Of course there are those within the US and Europe that openly oppose the NWO such as Dump, Brexit, etc...Its not really that complicated.

Im not saying the NWO is in charge right now or that they are close to it, as far as I know these past couple of years the NWO had taken some defeats, in particular thanks to leakers such as the Copenhagen Climate change conferance exposing the global takeover and with leaks from Wikileaks I am optimistic that we can run them down.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Getting the United States, Russia, China, all of the EU, and the Middle East to come together under a single state/rule is a completely different beast entirely.
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The NWO is more of a cooperation rather than some Hitler figure running everything. At least for right now. Many of these countries are willing participants such as China....countries like Russia we have been at war with through proxy wars in the middle east and eastern europe and through the act of sanctions through the power of global governance.

The end game here is we might not make it, we wont be here to see any of it because we all will be dead.

Ive been posting this video for years here on this forum, and will post it again, Michio Kaku best to me describes what is happening.

 
Nunes later said something even more shocking: “The American people would not be comfortable reading what I have read about Surveillance on Donald Trump”
 
muscleupcrohn said:
How would this NWO government work/run? Essentially global colonialism? How will all the powers be equally represented? How will they prevent revolt/revolution that has always been the inevitable result of colonialism?
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This may not be the best article to make my point, but one way is doing away with money and going to cashless society. The article says in India, they think that an all digital economy will reduce corruption. But it's more likely that there will be more corruption when the citizenry is all "logged in" and the government watches and controls the transactions. If there's no cash to use, the government can actually wreck the value of their currency and it won't matter, since no one will have any.
 
youngandfree said:
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This may not be the best article to make my point, but one way is doing away with money and going to cashless society. The article says in India, they think that an all digital economy will reduce corruption. But it's more likely that there will be more corruption when the citizenry is all "logged in" and the government watches and controls the transactions. If there's no cash to use, the government can actually wreck the value of their currency and it won't matter, since no one will have any.
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Thats one way of implementation, and its in progress of moving forward but this is an interest of both nationalist nations (US having those who are interested in both sides either domestic or the nwo people for example) and global government. Certainly global government wants to control and regulate everything from cash, trade, internet, travel, I mean everything possible.
 
youngandfree said:
Nunes later said something even more shocking: “The American people would not be comfortable reading what I have read about Surveillance on Donald Trump”
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what nunes should have said....'the American people[with the exception of democrats]would not be comfortable reading what I have read about surveillance on Donald trump'......
 
what do y'all think...the healthcare bill going to pass tomorrow or back to the drawing board?
 
thebigt said:
what do y'all think...the healthcare bill going to pass tomorrow or back to the drawing board?
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It didn't get a vote today, and it won't get a vote tomorrow either. Hopefully the conservatives met with the President and layed out what was really in that heaping pile of cap that Ryan was trying to pass off. Trump tweeted that he would see that those voting against it got primary challengers. He needs to be reminded why and how he got elected, and it was because the voters went AGAINST Ryan and McConnell and the other establishment hacks.
 
youngandfree said:
It didn't get a vote today, and it won't get a vote tomorrow either. Hopefully the conservatives met with the President and layed out what was really in that heaping pile of cap that Ryan was trying to pass off. Trump tweeted that he would see that those voting against it got primary challengers. He needs to be reminded why and how he got elected, and it was because the voters went AGAINST Ryan and McConnell and the other establishment hacks.
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Some of these conservatives are closet Obamacare supporters who just like Obama have their pockets lined up by insurance lobby....I know John Boehner made alot of stock money on Obamacare. These people are probably going to do everything they can to keep as much as Obamacare as possible but in different name.
 
There are far too many politicians with the power to vote on this that have zero interest in the will of or the benefit of he people. They (D & R) are there to spite and obstruct any and everything. Rather than accepting their vote for or against there should be a means to forcibly recuse them for their obstruction of progress. Or let me punch them in the face.

At the end of the day my employer can't and won't provide anything better than a high deductible catastrophic plan. The government health care plan is no better or even worse. They are basically making health care an accessible benefit or provision for the poor at the expense of the less poor. Worse. They subsidize the poor otherwise how could their family of 4 afford a $1200/m premium and a $3000/$6000 deductible. I simply ask that they remove the penalty if I desire not to be raped by premiums for a plan with a deductible so high that the only value it is to me is when I have a heart attach, cancer or any other major health tragedy.

This system and process we call our legislative government sucks!
 
No saving the country from the Obamacare implosion last night, but at least government had a chance to further strip the privacy of the American people, eyahah!

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President Trump gave an ultimatum on the bill. It's going to pass or we're moving on to other things. Glad he's not playing games and wasting time like the Dems are.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
President Trump gave an ultimatum on the bill. It's going to pass or we're moving on to other things. Glad he's not playing games and wasting time like the Dems are.
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Today is certainly going to be interesting.
 
ax1 said:
Some of these conservatives are closet Obamacare supporters who just like Obama have their pockets lined up by insurance lobby....I know John Boehner made alot of stock money on Obamacare. These people are probably going to do everything they can to keep as much as Obamacare as possible but in different name.
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Those are the establishment repugs, not conservatives. :) Conservatives are the ones willing to say no way to this POS bill.
 
It also needs to pass the Senate so it needs to be right, and I wonder if Dump would just sign off on the bill just for the f' of it?
 
the sigh of relief from president trump could be heard all the way here in Indiana.......bad for the country-10x worse for democrats!!!
 
ax1 said:
They shouldnt pass a bill just to pass a bill and get rid of another though. It could get worse that way.
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Exactly. They seemed so determined to defeat ACA that they never put in effort to come up with an alternative. It was just such a huge Obama target that they got swept up in it before thinking it through.
 
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