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Guess how many radical Islamist terrorists from those countries have been part of attacks in the U.S. since 9/11?

Zero. They've all been American citizens and/or legal U.S. residents.
 
Misfit28 said:
Guess how many radical Islamist terrorists from those countries have been part of attacks in the U.S. since 9/11?

Zero. They've all been American citizens and/or legal U.S. residents.
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These actions have not much to do with 9/11 anymore, its to do with ISIS and where other terrorist strongholds lay. Its a different world and era now from 9/11 thanks to Barry Soetoro and Hitlery along with the rest of the bunch.
 
ax1 said:
These actions have not much to do with 9/11 anymore, its to do with ISIS and where other terrorist strongholds lay. Its a different world and era now from 9/11 thanks to Barry Soetoro and Hitlery along with the rest of the bunch.
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Well, frankly, there was no 9/11 under Obama so I think that means something.

I didn't agree with his drone wars, but I suppose noone here can give him credit for anything.

Just remember these initial actions later, when they start to round up the next group of "enemies of the state".
 
Misfit28 said:
Well, frankly, there was no 9/11 under Obama so I think that means something.

I didn't agree with his drone wars, but I suppose noone here can give him credit for anything.

Just remember these initial actions later, when they start to round up the next group of "enemies of the state".
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I give Obama ALOT of credit for sending billions of dollars of weapons, ammo, training, intelligence to ISIS along with sending billions of dollars in weapons, ammo, training and intellegence to Al-queda, assisting NATO overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government starting a civil war there war mongering with Russia, destroying Lybia, Syria, ending the Afghan War in 2025 (RRRROFFFLLL), lying about ending the war in Iraq, complete allegiance to NATO a foreign government and the NWO Military Industrial Complex. Nice job lying to the American people about killing Bin-laden for political gains, I can go on forever.

Ill tell you what...if you give that low life filthy racist scum Obama credit, you should start coming out and giving Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party credit for the good things they did when applicable because its the same thing.
 
Misfit28 said:
Well, frankly, there was no 9/11 under Obama so I think that means something.

I didn't agree with his drone wars, but I suppose noone here can give him credit for anything.

Just remember these initial actions later, when they start to round up the next group of "enemies of the state".
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The POTUS isn't responsible for everything that happens or doesn't happen, good or bad.
 
ax1 said:
I give Obama ALOT of credit for sending billions of dollars of weapons, ammo, training, intelligence to ISIS along with sending billions of dollars in weapons, ammo, training and intellegence to Al-queda, assisting NATO overthrowing the elected Ukrainian government starting a civil war there war mongering with Russia, destroying Lybia, Syria, ending the Afghan War in 2025 (RRRROFFFLLL), lying about ending the war in Iraq, complete allegiance to NATO a foreign government and the NWO Military Industrial Complex. Nice job lying to the American people about killing Bin-laden for political gains, I can go on forever.

Ill tell you what...if you give that low life filthy racist scum Obama credit, you should start coming out and giving Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party credit for the good things they did when applicable because its the same thing.
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Are you seriously comparing Obama to Hitler?

You're the one who needs help instead of saying that everyone else (transgender, liberals, etc.) needs to look in the DSM.
 
Misfit28 said:
Not yet, anyway.
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We all know that each party praises the president for everything good that happens during his term(s), while dismissing everything bad that happens as not being their fault or in their control if they're from their party, and the opposite if they're not. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
 
Misfit28 said:
Are you seriously comparing Obama to Hitler?

You're the one who needs help instead of saying that everyone else (transgender, liberals, etc.) needs to look in the DSM.
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People that need serious help are people that are persistent defending that war mongering genocidal dictator by the name of Obama.
 
I hope every single country in this world stops US citizens from entering their borders - legal or otherwise.

You claim muslims from those regions as dangerous and treat them all equally as such. The US have started or been involved with more wars than I can count and are THE #1 threat to the world as we know it. If anyone should be treated as a criminal, it is you guys.

I am absolutely aware not every one in the US is for this action that Trump has undertaken, but how the **** can you stand for this lunacy. It is criminal. You stop legal residents from entering your borders but readily invade and interfere in global issues that have nothing to do with you. This executive order is everything that is wrong with the logic of the US
 
Misfit28 said:
You're the one who needs help instead of saying that everyone else (transgender, liberals, etc.) needs to look in the DSM.
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And yes..transgender people have mental illnesses...the liberal shot was just a joke btw.
 
Jiigzz said:
I hope every single country in this world stops US citizens from entering their borders - legal or otherwise.

You claim muslims from those regions as dangerous and treat them all equally as such. The US have started or been involved with more wars than I can count and are THE #1 threat to the world as we know it. If anyone should be treated as a criminal, it is you guys.
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Well...we just had a presidency the past 8 years who didnt even have a birth certificate, and now we start a new page so who knows, lol
 
FWIW I know that the people as a whole do not agree with what he has done, but the President is the face of the US and the world needs to retaliate and the US needs to stop thinking they are being bullied by terrorism when in reality they are the terrorists.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
We all know that each party praises the president for everything good that happens during his term(s), while dismissing everything bad that happens as not being their fault or in their control if they're from their party, and the opposite if they're not. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.
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People could have voted for Gary Johnson, but I guess I needed to go to other bodybuilding forums to spread the message...next time!
 
Jiigzz said:
I hope every single country in this world stops US citizens from entering their borders - legal or otherwise.

You claim muslims from those regions as dangerous and treat them all equally as such. The US have started or been involved with more wars than I can count and are THE #1 threat to the world as we know it. If anyone should be treated as a criminal, it is you guys.
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Iran just started doing that. We'll see who else follows suit.

This is exactly what I have been referring to with Trump. The effects his policies have on the world as a whole are beyond his comprehension, IMO.

He might be good at business, but he certainly doesn't seem to be doing well so far as Commander in Chief, IMO.
 
Jiigzz said:
FWIW I know that the people as a whole do not agree with what he has done, but the President is the face of the US and the world needs to retaliate and the US needs to stop thinking they are being bullied by terrorism when in reality they are the terrorists.
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To be clear...the US government has been, that is 100% accurate. Many of us in the US have nothing to do with them.
 
Jiigzz said:
FWIW I know that the people as a whole do not agree with what he has done, but the President is the face of the US and the world needs to retaliate and the US needs to stop thinking they are being bullied by terrorism when in reality they are the terrorists.
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Could not agree more. A country continually bombs the crap out of another country, sanctions them, takes their people and locks them up with no legal hearing, and then wonders where all these "terrorists" are coming from.
 
Jiigzz said:
FWIW I know that the people as a whole do not agree with what he has done, but the President is the face of the US and the world needs to retaliate and the US needs to stop thinking they are being bullied by terrorism when in reality they are the terrorists.
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I would have given Dump alot of credit if he started by banning most of Congress from flying, serious.
 
Misfit28 said:
Iran just started doing that. We'll see who else follows suit.

This is exactly what I have been referring to with Trump. The effects his policies have on the world as a whole are beyond his comprehension, IMO.

He might be good at business, but he certainly doesn't seem to be doing well so far as Commander in Chief, IMO.
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I hope more do. He has no idea the global outrage this has caused. It is inhuman and absolutely discriminatory to those who have lived in the US legally, who happen to identify as Muslim or come from regions where Islam is predominant.

This will not end radicalism, but breed more of it. How can he not see that?
 
Jiigzz said:
I hope every single country in this world stops US citizens from entering their borders - legal or otherwise.

You claim muslims from those regions as dangerous and treat them all equally as such. The US have started or been involved with more wars than I can count and are THE #1 threat to the world as we know it. If anyone should be treated as a criminal, it is you guys.

I am absolutely aware not every one in the US is for this action that Trump has undertaken, but how the **** can you stand for this lunacy. It is criminal. You stop legal residents from entering your borders but readily invade and interfere in global issues that have nothing to do with you. This executive order is everything that is wrong with the logic of the US
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I'm not saying I support Trump's actions at all, or that potential immigrants to the US are potentially dangerous, but actions taken by a government are different than the citizens themselves. Yes, the US is idiotic with the amount of wars they go to, but that's the state/government, not the individuals/citizens. The concern, and I'm not saying it's valid at all, is that the individuals entering the US are potentially dangerous, not that the state/government of their native country is. Again, I'm not saying I agree with Trump at all, or that these people are actually dangerous.
 
Jiigzz said:
I hope more do. He has no idea the global outrage this has caused. It is inhuman and absolutely discriminatory to those who have lived in the US legally, who happen to identify as Muslim or come from regions where Islam is predominant.

This will not end radicalism, but breed more of it. How can he not see that?
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It's despicable IMO.

An exchange student that we hosted from France is supposed to come visit again this summer. We've kept in touch since she first came years ago. She's now in med school over there, and wants us to come live there. I'm seriously considering it.

I'm honestly getting afraid for her to come now.

As far as Trump goes, I don't think he is capable of empathy for anyone but himself and his own family.
 
While some may pose a threat - maybe - you treat them all as threats.

Do you stop white men from enrolling in college in the US until you know for sure they won't shoot it up?

If not, why not?
 
Jiigzz said:
It is inhuman and absolutely discriminatory to those who have lived in the US legally, who happen to identify as Muslim or come from regions where Islam is predominant.
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Or he simply read internal memos on where the US.CIA were training and recruiting radical Jihadi's and directly targeting only them.

I really dont think truly an attack on a religion as a whole.
 
Jiigzz said:
While some may pose a threat - maybe - you treat them all as threats.

Do you stop white men from enrolling in college in the US until you know for sure they won't shoot it up?

If not, why not?
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I dont support the ban but Im not reacting the same way as you have. I do have to wait to see how this plays out, but this is really just a temporary ban until we can reform the vetting process.

Its not the first time this has happened, Jimmy Carter pulled this off as well, and Liberals (primary complainers) usually worship him.

During WWII we rounded up all Japanese here in the US and threw them in concentration camps, and that was under Rosevelt who many of the people complaining about Dump worship him too as a great leader.

I see alot of hypocrisy out there.
 
Jiigzz said:
While some may pose a threat - maybe - you treat them all as threats.

Do you stop white men from enrolling in college in the US until you know for sure they won't shoot it up?

If not, why not?
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Again, I'm not justifying these actions, just saying that there's a difference in thinking, correctly or otherwise, that an individual is a potential threat and thinking that an individual's state/government is a potential threat; the logic, again I'm not justifying it, is that an individual in the former scenario can be dangerous, while an individual in the later isn't, as they can't declare war on their own as an individual.

As to your later questions, note that I am not justifying these actions, just explaining the difference in thinking, whether it's correct or not, although it is a relevant example for people who support this policy of Trump.

I'm a libertarian my friend, I'm not a fan of heavy immigration regulations at all, haha. Hell, I dated a Canadian, and we were looking into how she could stay here, and it was a major pain in the ass, and she had a college degree, no criminal history, and a job. Hell, we should be taking as many of these productive people as we can.
 
ax1 said:
Or he simply read internal memos on where the US.CIA were training and recruiting radical Jihadi's and directly targeting only them.

I really dont think truly an attack on a religion as a whole.
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Then why did he say in an interview that if there was a Christian and a Muslim refugee that he would choose the Christian?
 
Jiigzz said:
While some may pose a threat - maybe - you treat them all as threats.

Do you stop white men from enrolling in college in the US until you know for sure they won't shoot it up?

If not, why not?
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If a group of "white men" are enrolling at a college and all the sudden one of the recruiters is found dead on the floor with his throat lashed out, when the police get there and lets say they are all black and Hispanic police, do they not hold all these "white men" as potential murder suspects and have them all detained until you have this sorted out? Or do you let them all simply go and hope for the best because the cops may be accused of having racial prejudice against "white people?"
 
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Then why did he say in an interview that if there was a Christian and a Muslim refugee that he would choose the Christian?
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I never heard that, but maybe he has sympathy for the Christians that had been largely ignored in the middle east during this crisis and have been the primary victims of persecutions.

I would say the most in danger in the Middle East in the worst zones are always going to be Christians, I think this is common sense, radical terrorists would target them the hardest.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Again, I'm not justifying these actions, just saying that there's a difference in thinking, correctly or otherwise, that an individual is a potential threat and thinking that an individual's state/government is a potential threat; the logic, again I'm not justifying it, is that an individual in the former scenario can be dangerous, while an individual in the later isn't, as they can't declare war on their own as an individual.

As to your later questions, note that I am not justifying these actions, just explaining the difference in thinking, whether it's correct or not, although it is a relevant example for people who support this policy of Trump.

I'm a libertarian my friend, I'm not a fan of heavy immigration regulations at all, haha. Hell, I dated a Canadian, and we were looking into how she could stay here, and it was a major pain in the ass, and she had a college degree, no criminal history, and a job. Hell, we should be taking as many of these productive people as we can.
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both individuals are dangerous, and neither has the ability to declare a state of war. But now the govts of each country you are basically giving the middle finger can declare a state of war. Hell Iran told us here in NZ that if we refused trade with them they will declare war on us in return, taking that act as an act of war. I'm sure they will see the same of the US in this scenario.
 
ax1 said:
I dont support the ban but Im not reacting the same way as you have. I do have to wait to see how this plays out, but this is really just a temporary ban until we can reform the vetting process.

Its not the first time this has happened, Jimmy Carter pulled this off as well, and Liberals (primary complainers) usually worship him.

During WWII we rounded up all Japanese here in the US and threw them in concentration camps, and that was under Rosevelt who many of the people complaining about Dump worship him too as a great leader.

I see alot of hypocrisy out there.
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While it has happened before, WW2 and this case are very different. in WW2 you were in a state of war with a country, now you are declaring one on an entire religion which has no borders.

Doesn't your consitution have something in there in freedom of religion? Sure doesn't feel like it
 
Jiigzz said:
While it has happened before, WW2 and this case are very different. in WW2 you were in a state of war with a country, now you are declaring one on an entire religion which has no borders.

Doesn't your consitution have something in there in freedom of religion? Sure doesn't feel like it
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I know, right? Supposedly this country was founded on freedom of and from religion.

I wonder if atheists are next?
 
Jiigzz said:
While it has happened before, WW2 and this case are very different. in WW2 you were in a state of war with a country, now you are declaring one on an entire religion which has no borders.

Doesn't your consitution have something in there in freedom of religion? Sure doesn't feel like it
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Not on all of Islam, but radical Islam who declared a war with us. Its really a government without a country...at least they dont have a established country yet.

Constitution only apply to US citizens, but besides that, people have a right to their religious liberty, including being a radical jihad...but that religion may not infringe on the liberties of others where in this case radical islam they want to kill Americans by any means.
 
ax1 said:
Not on all of Islam, but radical Islam who declared a war with us. Its really a government without a country...at least they dont have a established country yet.

Constitution only apply to US citizens, but besides that People have a right to their religious liberty, including being a radical jihad...but that religion may not infringe on the liberties of others where in this case radical islam they want to kill Americans by any means.
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You bomb the crap out of their country, eliminate their leaders, take their oil and continually murder their citizens but somehow you're the victim.

Cmon.
 
Jiigzz said:
both individuals are dangerous, and neither has the ability to declare a state of war. But now the govts of each country you are basically giving the middle finger can declare a state of war. Hell Iran told us here in NZ that if we refused trade with them they will declare war on us in return, taking that act as an act of war. I'm sure they will see the same of the US in this scenario.
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You misunderstand what I was trying to say. I'm not saying that either individual can declare war, only pointing out the differences in why you'd "want" to keep them from entering your country. In the former case, it is assumed (correctly or incorrectly) that the Muslim from this area is inherently a potential threat themselves due to their personal beliefs and the actions they can carry out as an individual, not the beliefs of their state/government, where the later individual is only dangerous based on the beliefs/actions of their state/government, not their personal beliefs or potential actions they could carry out as an individual. Again, I'm not saying that these people are dangerous at all, or shouldn't be allowed into the country, again, I'm a libertarian, just trying my best to explain their thinking, and some differences. Granted, the real reason why countries would even consider banning Americans isn't because they're dangerous, but as a way to try to pressure the citizens of the US (think democracy) into changing this policy.
 
ax1 said:
Not on all of Islam, but radical Islam who declared a war with us. Its really a government without a country...at least they dont have a established country yet.

Constitution only apply to US citizens, but besides that, people have a right to their religious liberty, including being a radical jihad...but that religion may not infringe on the liberties of others where in this case radical islam they want to kill Americans by any means.
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You know good and well that Trump and most in the GOP don't really differentiate between radical and non-radical Muslims.
 
Jiigzz said:
You bomb the crap out of their country, eliminate their leaders, take their oil and continually murder their citizens but somehow you're the victim.

Cmon.
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Dont blame me, thats not my fault. Been anti-war and anti-foreign interventionist for years here :) If I was in Dumps shoes Id order the entire empire back home, let them figure out their crap on their own. If Dump is genuine though, it sure is a nice change from the Obama years where he created ISIS.
 
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You know good and well that Trump and most in the GOP don't really differentiate between radical and non-radical Muslims.
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And that's a huge problem; a problem that we've seen in the past with things like internment camps. While Trump may be doing some stupid/racist things, they're really not unprecedented, not that that justifies them in any way, I just find it a bit sensational to act like Trump is somehow doing "more" or "worse" than anything we've seen before, although he has plenty of time to screw things up worse.
 
Misfit28 said:
You know good and well that Trump and most in the GOP don't really differentiate between radical and non-radical Muslims.
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I dont know that, nobody knows what everybody thinks. I think...can guess that Dump loves muslims as long as they arent the "radical" kind wanting to blow everything up just like most people do.

Personally, I am more optimistic that many if not most to differentiate between radicals and regular muslims. I think your blowing this way out of proportion.
 
ax1 said:
I dont know that, nobody knows what everybody thinks. I think...can guess that Dump loves muslims as long as they arent the "radical" kind wanting to blow everything up just like most people do.

Personally, I am more optimistic that many if not most to differentiate between radicals and regular muslims. I think your blowing this way out of proportion.
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They certainly don't here in Tennessee. I've seen people purposefully splash people, throw things and yes things at older Muslims walking down the street simply because of what they are wearing.

My son also had a Muslim friend from Egypt on his hockey team that was shunned by the other players and their parents because his mother wore a hijab.
 
Misfit28 said:
They certainly don't here in Tennessee. I've seen people purposefully splash people, throw things and yes things at older Muslims walking down the street simply because of what they are wearing.

My son also had a Muslim friend from Egypt on his hockey team that was shunned by the other players and their parents because his mother wore a hijab.
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People of all races, ethnicities, cultures, countries, etc can be a**holes. Yes, some people are idiots to Muslims, but others are idiots to black people, Hispanics, Asians, Orthodox Jews, etc.
 
Misfit28 said:
They certainly don't here in Tennessee. I've seen people purposefully splash people, throw things and yes things at older Muslims walking down the street simply because of what they are wearing.

My son also had a Muslim friend from Egypt on his hockey team that was shunned by the other players and their parents because his mother wore a hijab.
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Well those scum need to be arrested....and those hockey players are scum too. I say lets round them up and parachute them in a ISIS camp, lol
 
ax1 said:
Dont blame me, thats not my fault. Been anti-war and anti-foreign interventionist for years here :) If I was in Dumps shoes Id order the entire empire back home, let them figure out their crap on their own. If Dump is genuine though, it sure is a nice change from the Obama years where he created ISIS.
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I apologize, when I say "you", I don't actually mean you personally, but the US as a collective.
 
ax1 said:
Well those scum need to be arrested....and those hockey players are scum too. I say lets round them up and parachute them in a ISIS camp, lol
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Agreed, lol.

My wife picked up the older Muslim couple and gave them a ride, while flipping off the people that were yelling at them.

My son has the same birthday as the Muslim boy, so they shared a birthday party and became good friends.
 
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Maybe it's a business thing.......

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Former ethics advisor to Obama????? RRRROOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF shyt I cant even finish that one.

Thats like say, hey former ethics advisor to Stalin said......

Progressive think tank!!! ROFL one of the funniest links you ever posted.
 
Misfit28 said:
Maybe it's a business thing.......

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From in that article:

One other thing they have in common, as NPR's Greg Myre writes: "No Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades."

The 19 terrorists in the Sept. 11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, Myre points out. They are among the Muslim-majority countries not affected by Trump's immigration freeze, but where Trump does business.
 
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