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Donald Trump running for president

Oh damn this forum is back, so how's everyone feeling about Trump already going against his word? No wall, Hilary not in jail, Obamacare only slightly changed, swamp is still a swamp, and more to come(or not come)!
 
Jiigzz said:
Not sure, but we keep expanding the quota. I dont mind, so long as they contribute and don't expect us to change our culture to fit theirs
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Following whats going on in Europe I dont have high hopes for that.
 
CJNator said:
Oh damn this forum is back, so how's everyone feeling about Trump already going against his word? No wall, Hilary not in jail, Obamacare only slightly changed, swamp is still a swamp, and more to come(or not come)!
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He appears to be more with the world than Obama is, like Russia for example, Obama does acts of wars with them (sanctions, overthrowing neighborhood governments and financing their civil wars, proxy wars in the middle east.) It appears Dump wants to be friends with Russia which is a good thing.

Ive been looking into this swamp thing, and its possible he is picking more of anti-globalist goblins from within the swamp which is also a better direction. No my personal picks however, I would have asked Ron Paul to be top dog in the Fed for example.

Obamacare and Hitlery, well....we will see about that.....gotta understand if he keeps calling her out Barry Soetoro may give her a Presidential pardon. What Dump needs to to is just put the right pieces in place and after he is President just take a step back and just let the system do their job. We have no idea really whats going to happen, just speculation.

Im far more optimistic about certain domestic and less optimistic about other certain things, we will have to wait and see.

My biggest optimism is that Barry Soetoro is gone and Hitlery isnt President, but also lets keep in mind the President is officially 1/3 branch of government and unofficially there is Shadow Government at play here too.

What I can say for certain is that Dump is not the defender of Liberty and US Constitution and I have no regrets not voting for him.
 
ax1 said:
He appears to be more with the world than Obama is, like Russia for example, Obama does acts of wars with them (sanctions, overthrowing neighborhood governments and financing their civil wars, proxy wars in the middle east.) It appears Dump wants to be friends with Russia which is a good thing.

Ive been looking into this swamp thing, and its possible he is picking more of anti-globalist goblins from within the swamp which is also a better direction. No my personal picks however, I would have asked Ron Paul to be top dog in the Fed for example.

Obamacare and Hitlery, well....we will see about that.....gotta understand if he keeps calling her out Barry Soetoro may give her a Presidential pardon. What Dump needs to to is just put the right pieces in place and after he is President just take a step back and just let the system do their job. We have no idea really whats going to happen, just speculation.

Im far more optimistic about certain domestic and less optimistic about other certain things, we will have to wait and see.

My biggest optimism is that Barry Soetoro is gone and Hitlery isnt President, but also lets keep in mind the President is officially 1/3 branch of government and unofficially there is Shadow Government at play here too.

What I can say for certain is that Dump is not the defender of Liberty and US Constitution and I have no regrets not voting for him.
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Yea he is definitely a nationalist rather then a globalist. I read this link and it basically states fascism and socialism are the same, I can see trump leaning towards fascism with his cultural nationalism. Invalid Link Removed
 
CJNator said:
Yea he is definitely a nationalist rather then a globalist. I read this link and it basically states fascism and socialism are the same, I can see trump leaning towards fascism with his cultural nationalism. Invalid Link Removed
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I see a lean towards fascism with him, but downgraded from Obama who is the biggest corporate/banker whore of all time. Domestic fascism > globalist fascism...well if I was to be vague. Gives people options to still run somewhere else.
 
CJNator said:
Look at who he is choosing for his cabinet and he also said there won't be a wall nor will Obamacare be abolished.
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I'm waiting to see what his actions will be. If somebody says they are going to do something and then say they are not going to do something, why believe either statement?
 
ax1 said:
I see a lean towards fascism with him, but downgraded from Obama who is the biggest corporate/banker whore of all time. Domestic fascism > globalist fascism...well if I was to be vague. Gives people options to still run somewhere else.
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justhere4comm said:
Is this a response of an intelligent man?

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He is also morally bankrupt.
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Don't take him as a genuine person, sociopaths always hide under different personas for certain reasons.


Aleksandar37 said:
I'm waiting to see what his actions will be. If somebody says they are going to do something and then say they are not going to do something, why believe either statement?
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Or why even trust a person that says two different thing? It would only be logical to just outright not trust him rather then blissfully assume he will do good.
 
CJNator said:
Don't take him as a genuine person, sociopaths always hide under different personas for certain reasons.




Or why even trust a person that says two different thing? It would only be logical to just outright not trust him rather then blissfully assume he will do good.
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I agree with you and don't trust him, nor did I vote for him. You're believing his statements now though. I'm simply saying that he hasn't made any actions yet and keeps changing his mind, so may very well change his mind back again.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I agree with you and don't trust him, nor did I vote for him. You're believing his statements now though. I'm simply saying that he hasn't made any actions yet and keeps changing his mind, so may very well change his mind back again.
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Good point. Never thought about it that way.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I agree with you and don't trust him, nor did I vote for him. You're believing his statements now though. I'm simply saying that he hasn't made any actions yet and keeps changing his mind, so may very well change his mind back again.
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My standard to judge him is going to be off his first 100 day plan. Alot which I like some not so much but with whatever he does if he actually fights for most of the first 100 day plan and not flip flop too much. Compromise, reasonable flexibility and change in stances is fine with me unlike that human flith Obama who completely flip flopped his first 100.

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ax1 said:
My standard to judge him is going to be off his first 100 day plan. Alot which I like some not so much but with whatever he does if he actually fights for most of the first 100 day plan and not flip flop too much. Compromise, reasonable flexibility and change in stances is fine with me unlike that human flith Obama who completely flip flopped his first 100.

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I'm sure he'll do some good but nothing actually beneficial to major issues like the economy or foreign policy.
 
CJNator said:
I'm sure he'll do some good but nothing actually beneficial to major issues like the economy or foreign policy.
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I disagree. I think in both those cases is where he'll shine. I believe congress our industry of US career politicians especially democrats will hinder his ability to effect change every chance they can.
 
David Dunn said:
I disagree. I think in both those cases is where he'll shine. I believe congress our industry of US career politicians especially democrats will hinder his ability to effect change every chance they can.
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Seems like they are trying to start a war with Russia before he even gets in.
 
Yup! Obama is trying (it certainly apears that way) to sabotage their relationship with these long overdue and vindictive sanctions with three weeks left to his term. IMHO I don't believe he has the courage to do so while actively in office and face the man afterwards.

He and the liberal media are slanting the perception of what Trump said sbout Putin being smart. He is smart. He knows he is going to be dealing with Trump and to react to Obama would actually validate him which IMHO he is not worthy of. I respect Putin's self restraint as well as Trump's relationship cultivation with him. Neither are politicians and the liberal America and the media doesn't know how to react to it so they judge and criticize on "words" and "appearance" and not the substance.

Men with balls (DT has em in brass) act different than what America has seen for the last 8 years. Trump is unprecedented untraditional and I believe he will be effective in unprecedented and untraditional ways. That's what Trump supports voted for.
 
As I see it (from over here, Bananaland):

Trump probably is a narcissist. This could be a good thing for the US.
If he wants a golden statue of himself, higher than the empire state, and makes it into history books, as a great president (the wet dream of a narcissist), he can hardly be bought -or influenced by anyone. He will do everything to be in favor with the masses, he has to.
I hope I'm right. It looks good so far, from my point of view. It could be he shares the fate of Kennedy or Lincoln, he surely got the warmongers pissed.
 
David Dunn said:
I disagree. I think in both those cases is where he'll shine. I believe congress our industry of US career politicians especially democrats will hinder his ability to effect change every chance they can.
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Well the main issue with the economy is constant spending and printing which is causing this inflation. Also this synthetic market doesn't help. When it comes to foreign policy the one making the most money is the military industrial complex and oil companies with all the oil in the Middle East. I'm sure if trump isn't for war for that reason they'll make sure it happens. I don't always blame the president or politicians, the crony capitalism has created mister monopolies controlling almost every economical aspect of our lives.
 
hairygrandpa said:
As I see it (from over here, Bananaland):

Trump probably is a narcissist. This could be a good thing for the US.
If he wants a golden statue of himself, higher than the empire state, and makes it into history books, as a great president (the wet dream of a narcissist), he can hardly be bought -or influenced by anyone. He will do everything to be in favor with the masses, he has to.
I hope I'm right. It looks good so far, from my point of view. It could be he shares the fate of Kennedy or Lincoln, he surely got the warmongers pissed.
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Now in days they can't really kill off a president, i think they'll go after the economy which would cause outrage in the public. That would either give him a short term, impeachment, or secession(s). Times are very unstable and anything can make **** hit the fan quickly.
 
I'm not sure how anyone can say that Trump is anti-war.

"Bomb the hell out of ISIS" seems pretty pro-war to me. To do that, you would have to bomb within a sovereign country. It's not like ISIS is a country.
 
Which politician hasn't used rhetoric to get the position and done no such thing in his fulfillment of such.

"Hope and change" comes to mind.
 
We all have a preferred flavor of "Kool-Aid" and then we argue against each other's choice of flavor.

At the end of the day we're all drinking their Kook-Aid. Let's stop letting the Kool-Aid divide us.

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David Dunn said:
We all have a preferred flavor of "Kool-Aid" and then we argue against each other's choice of flavor.

At the end of the day we're all drinking their Kook-Aid. Let's stop letting the Kool-Aid divide us.

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Well I only drink water and preworkout lol I don't drink the political cool aid. I try to bring people together but different mindsets always clash.
 
hairygrandpa said:
As I see it (from over here, Bananaland):

Trump probably is a narcissist. This could be a good thing for the US.
If he wants a golden statue of himself, higher than the empire state, and makes it into history books, as a great president (the wet dream of a narcissist), he can hardly be bought -or influenced by anyone. He will do everything to be in favor with the masses, he has to.
I hope I'm right. It looks good so far, from my point of view. It could be he shares the fate of Kennedy or Lincoln, he surely got the warmongers pissed.
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That is one thing that Trump and Obama have in common. both are narcissist.
 
Studhorse said:
That is one thing that Trump and Obama have in common. both are narcissist.
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I think both have huge egos, but not sure you can say either is a narcissist. That would imply they are not as important in real life as they actually are. President of the US seems relatively important.
 
I would coin Obama as a sociopath, only him because I haven't really observed other presidents but I'll be sure to keep my eye on Trump. It isn't something crazy because positions that grant power attract sociopaths and president have a lot of power so it pretty likely Trump is one too.
 
Dear President Obama,

Is this the peaceful transition of power you promised? Did you change your mind? Were you not being sincere? Are you bitter? Why so angry?

It is understandable that you may not like or agree with the President elect and his policies but I remember you were emphatic in expressing you and your wife's feelings regarding the institution and principles of our democracy and the need for them to be respected by everyone.

Please reconsider your behavior and the effect your exit will have on your future, the future of our country, and your legacy.

Sincerely yours,

We, The People
 
Aleksandar37 said:
I think both have huge egos, but not sure you can say either is a narcissist. That would imply they are not as important in real life as they actually are. President of the US seems relatively important.
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Wouldn't that be more "delusions of grandeur"? Narcissism is just excessive self- interest (as well as looks), which seems to fit most in the political world (including Obama and ABSOLUTELY Trump).
 
Misfit28 said:
I see Trump is still draining the swamp, LOL. He just picked a Wall Street lawyer to head the SEC. SMH.
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He's STILL not president yet.

Can you consider for a minute that the reputations (or even track record) of the people he is appointing is far less important than their ability to get and produce results that they will be instructed to deliver?

It's not a popularity contest and he's certainly not going to start now to desire anyone's approval. This is not politics - it business - as it should be.

You don't deliver - you're fired! ;)
 
David Dunn said:
He's STILL not president yet.

Can you consider for a minute that the reputations (or even track record) of the people he is appointing is far less important than their ability to get and produce results that they will be instructed to deliver?

It's not a popularity contest and he's certainly not going to start now to desire anyone's approval. This is not politics - it business - as it should be.

You don't deliver - you're fired! ;)
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No, he's not president yet, but he will be in 16 days. His picks that he is making now will go into effect at that time.

I'm not so sure that business should be running the government. The military-industrial complex is already too strong IMO.

I do agree with those not doing their jobs being fired, though :)
 
justhere4comm said:
How many days of the year does the congress actually work?

Senate?

What do they earn?
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WAY too much, IMO ;)

It looks like they earn $174,000 a year. I think they are in session 110 days a year, but that when they are "off" they are doing other duties (talking to constituents, etc.).
 
Misfit28 said:
I see Trump is still draining the swamp, LOL. He just picked a Wall Street lawyer to head the SEC. SMH.
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Who would you have suggested for the job? I'm not trying to start an argument and it's not a trick question. I keep hearing people criticize both sides for who the put into positions, but I never hear reasons why except vague assumptions (e.g. Wall Street and lawyer must mean they're evil). But if not a Wall Street lawyer, who should get that job? Somebody with no financial or legal experience?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Who would you have suggested for the job? I'm not trying to start an argument and it's not a trick question. I keep hearing people criticize both sides for who the put into positions, but I never hear reasons why except vague assumptions (e.g. Wall Street and lawyer must mean they're evil). But if not a Wall Street lawyer, who should get that job? Somebody with no financial or legal experience?
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It is a good point, I just find it ironic that he was so "for the people", yet his Cabinet is chock full of the 1%. The guy he picked helped bail out Goldman Sachs and Barclays in 2008. It's expected that the main reason for picking him is to roll back parts of Dodd-Frank.

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"Jay Clayton is a highly talented expert on many aspects of financial and regulatory law, and he will ensure our financial institutions can thrive and create jobs while playing by the rules at the same time," Trump said in a statement Wednesday. "We need to undo many regulations which have stifled investment in American businesses, and restore oversight of the financial industry in a way that does not harm American workers."

How is this a bad thing?
 
David Dunn said:
"Jay Clayton is a highly talented expert on many aspects of financial and regulatory law, and he will ensure our financial institutions can thrive and create jobs while playing by the rules at the same time," Trump said in a statement Wednesday. "We need to undo many regulations which have stifled investment in American businesses, and restore oversight of the financial industry in a way that does not harm American workers."

How is this a bad thing?
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It may not be, but there is no definitive outline (as usual with Trump) on what parts of Dodd-Frank are being undone. Dodd-Frank was originally created to prevent the excessive risk-taking behaviors that created the financial crisis.

As I said, we'll see what becomes of all the promises Trump has made and the consequences thereof.
 
I find it funny as hell how afraid the dems are that the repubs are going to use all the dirty tricks that harry reed and Obama instituted, against them , lol.
 
thebigt said:
I find it funny as hell how afraid the dems are that the repubs are going to use all the dirty tricks that harry reed and Obama instituted, against them , lol.
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that is funny!
Its like the guy down the street that is a professional crook and has bars on his windows and doors. Thinks everyone thinks like he does!
 
Studhorse said:
that is funny!
Its like the guy down the street that is a professional crook and has bars on his windows and doors. Thinks everyone thinks like he does!
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no...he thinks everyone does as he does....
 
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