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Misfit28 said:
Like I said, we'll just have to wait and see IMO.
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Economically, why wouldn't it? Again you're all worked up claiming things are going to happen that haven't yet. What did all the Republicans that opposed Obamacare say? Rates will sky rocket and obamacare will implode on itself. From day 1. Where are we now? IT'S because of the economics that the plan is built on. It was flawed from the beginning of Obamacare, which was by design. It was designed to fail so the dems would have to scrap it and move into a single payer system. The original plan had the tax increases, and the next steps of the plan to go into place a few years down the road, to get past the 2012 election first. Remember the individual mandate didn't go into affect till after that election, coincidence huh? Then the increase in the individual tax penalty was scheduled to start after the 2014 midterm election cycle. The dems were always calculating to get through the next election before the schedule pain increases of the law went into play.

If you think about it it was pretty smart planning on their part, but it was blatantly obvious. The goal was have it implode a few years down the road so people would get so bad off to demand the government fix it . Their planned fix was get Clinton in office, then scrap it for single payer. Hussein is on record at numerous campaign stops saying single payer is he end goal, but they have to go in steps to get there.

The economics of the plan Trump has layed out will lower premiums by removing the federal mandate to try and drive up demand. By removing he federal subsidy, the insurance companies will have to lower premiums or no one will huy their product. No two ways around it. It's just like the cost of college. Why is it going up EVERY SINGLE YEAR? Because the federal government changed who could provide student loans, effectively taking that away from private banks. So now the feds guarantee whatever tuition a college charges. If a person couldn't get a student loan for college, many schooks would either close or shrink in size. But their actual income foe the tuitions come from the feds, not he students. Oh and when did they change the student loan industry? That's right, it was a rider to Obamacare. They needed just 1 more dem to be on board, so who did they get. A Nebraska rep was one of the opposers. To get him on board, they took away student loans away from banks except for, wait for it.......... a bank in Nebraska. Look up the Corn husker kickback to get obamacare passed.

The bottom line is manipulating price by instituting price controls or federal subsidies ALWAYS DRIVES UP COST. Because the feds just print the money, and the seller always gets payed hy the feds if customers can't afford their product.
 


Humans Being

There is just enough Christ in me
To make me feel almost guilty
Is that why God made us breed
To make us see we're Humans Being
You break this, I'll break all that
You break my balls with all your crap
Spread your disease like lemmings breeding
That's what makes us humans being
Shine on, shine on
Shine on, shine on
Some low life flat head scum infects
The sickness in his eyes reflects
You wonder why your life is screaming
Wonder why your Humans Being
Shine on, shine on
Shine on, shine on
Humans
Humans being
We're just humans, humans being
That's what makes us
Humans being
 


Fire In The Hole

In a word to the wisdom tooth
To tell, or not the truth (yeah)
So open up and say ahh-men
Rinse cup, and spit again
Forked tongue in double speak
Pretty soon you just might
Spring a leak
Inhale before you begin
Your iron lung's a bag of wind

There's a fire in the hole
Fire in the hole
There's a fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)
Fire

Sweet 'n' sour, filiblister
Faucet pouring, fresh 'n' bitter
Come on smile and say cheese
On a count of three
Ya got a mindful of decavities
Hey!

Chew your words, lest you choke
You better watch your mouth
Wash it out with soap. Yeah!
Tongue tied in a tangled web
Your bile inside better left unsaid

There's a fire in the hole
Fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)
There's a fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)
Fire!
Ah, shoot it!

Hey-hey-yeah!
Huh!
Yeah!
Hey-hey-yeah!

There's a fire in the hole
Fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)
There's a fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)
Fire in the hole (hey hey hey hey hey)

There's a fire, fire, fire
A fire!

Rudder of ship, which sets the course
Does not the bit, bridle the horse
Great is the forest, set by a small flame
Like a tongue on fire, no one can tame
 
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More goodness from the sore losers that don't understand the Constitution and seperation of powers. They want to sue Trump if he nullifies the Paris Treaty on climate change. Since Obama knew the Senate wouldn't ratify the US participation in said treaty as prescribed in the Consitution, Obama decided to sign an EO and try to make the US a part of it. Since the Senate didn't ratify it, it's not a binding treaty for the US. Since it's an EO, it is only binding until a future President decides to rescind it, which is within his/her power. O if Trump rescinds an EO, he's not out of his authority, and he's jot nullifying our part of the treaty, since it was never ratified.
 
Misfit28 said:
And you're acting like a typical Trump supporter, acting like he does or says no wrong.

We'll see what else happens. He's not even technically in office yet.

Please tell me how HSAs will benefit lower income Americans.
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Well thats whatsup, we dont know anything yet until we see how his overall "100" day plan turns out. Everything now is just all talk and speculation which makes for interesting conversations.
 
ax1 said:
Well thats whatsup, we dont know anything yet until we see how his overall "100" day plan turns out. Everything now is just all talk and speculation which makes for interesting conversations.
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Exactly.

I'm speculating based on what he is saying now versus what he said during his campaign.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nope, just saying that poor people are most impacted by higher premiums and won't benefit from HSAs.
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The problem is they still want to make insurance not insurance, but continue to make insurance health care, which is not insurance.

Insurance just measures risk, and price is put on the risk and a customer has an option to take the gamble to buy a policy just in case something bad happens.

I would completely eliminate insurance companies from health care, none of this deductible crap or taking care of people. Let people that can afford insurance buy insurance if they choose. Its just gambling.

It really should just be patient to doctor with no one in between. No insurance company, no government bureaucrat, minimal minimal minimal....abolish the income tax so both patient has more money and doctors dont have to jack prices to cover their losses from the stolen money.

Before government interventionism through managed care in the '70, doctors were far more affordable, and we did not have a bad history of turning patients down as back before then doctors took a mandatory oath (voluntary now) not to turn down patients. Just pay what you can, if you cant they will still treat you.

With Dump your just going to get a different version of the same status quo.
 
ax1 said:
The problem is they still want to make insurance not insurance, but continue to make insurance health care, which is not insurance.

Insurance just measures risk, and price is put on the risk and a customer has an option to take the gamble to buy a policy just in case something bad happens.

I would completely eliminate insurance companies from health care, none of this deductible crap or taking care of people. Let people that can afford insurance buy insurance if they choose.

It really should just be patient to doctor with no one in between. No insurance company, no government bureaucrat, minimal minimal minimal....abolish the income take so both patient has more money and doctors dont have to jack prices to cover their losses from the stolen money.

Before government interventionism through managed care in the '70, doctors were far more affordable, and we did not have a bad history of turning patients down as back before then doctors took a mandatory oath (voluntary now) not to turn down patients. Just pay what you can, if you cant they will still treat you.

With Dump your just going to get a different version of the same status quo.
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I can agree with this, as long as the cost comes down for all.
 
youngandfree said:
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More goodness from the sore losers that don't understand the Constitution and seperation of powers. They want to sue Trump if he nullifies the Paris Treaty on climate change. Since Obama knew the Senate wouldn't ratify the US participation in said treaty as prescribed in the Consitution, Obama decided to sign an EO and try to make the US a part of it. Since the Senate didn't ratify it, it's not a binding treaty for the US. Since it's an EO, it is only binding until a future President decides to rescind it, which is within his/her power. O if Trump rescinds an EO, he's not out of his authority, and he's jot nullifying our part of the treaty, since it was never ratified.
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Its not that Barry Soetoro doesnt understand the Constitution, he knows it better than any of us. Of course, his ambition is to grow Global Government and eliminate US sovereignty.

His guest seat as General Secretary of the UN when he first took office should have called for impeachment right there.
 
ax1 said:
Its not that Barry Soetoro doesnt understand the Constitution, he knows it better than any of us. Of course, his ambition is to grow Global Government and eliminate US sovereignty.

His guest seat as General Secretary of the UN when he first took office should have called for impeachment right there.
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The key word there is "guest".
 
Misfit28 said:
I can agree with this, as long as the cost comes down for all.
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Its impossible that it doesnt....you wouldnt be paying for all those jobs that have absolutely nothing to do with your health.

We certainly can even add some mild socialist policies too and set up clinics for poor people too and have doctors involved with this. I would do this on a state by state level though.
 
Misfit28 said:
The key word there is "guest".
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He helped officiate a meeting of a foreign government body, that right there is treason.

Section 9 of the Constitution says:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
 
youngandfree said:
And you're acting like a sore loser like the rest of them are. You're trying to attack him saying he's flip flopping, when he's not. He hasn't changed his tune on Obamacare being a horrible train wreck, it is. PRE existing conditions and keeping kids on your policy aren't what made it the train wreck.
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Trump trolled the GOP, he trolled all of us, now all the angry white men are startin to get angrier He's falling short on most of his threats, as most of us figured he would.
 
ax1 said:
He helped officiate a meeting of a foreign government body, that right there is treason.

Section 9 of the Constitution says:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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Pretty sure that doesn't apply to a temporary position, maybe I'm wrong.
 
Misfit28 said:
Pretty sure that doesn't apply to a temporary position, maybe I'm wrong.
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We can move past that, its not the worst thing he did....what was far far worse is how Obama seeked war powers through NATO and bypassed Congress to destroy Lybia when Congress has the ONLY authority to launch wars.

When General Dempsey was questioned by Congress he basically gave Congress the middle finger and said Congress is primarily just there for ceremonial purposes when it comes to war powers.

 
ax1 said:
Its not that Barry Soetoro doesnt understand the Constitution, he knows it better than any of us. Of course, his ambition is to grow Global Government and eliminate US sovereignty.

His guest seat as General Secretary of the UN when he first took office should have called for impeachment right there.
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I never said BO didn't know it, I said all the sore losers didn't :)
 
Ricky10 said:
Well, I am done here....the election is done and so am I. Everyone else in the world should follow suit. I truly believe the Donald haters will be shocked at what a non-politically corrupted mind in a position of great power can do for all of us. I can't wait for people to start seeing positive change. It will happen...
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Sorry to break it to you but:

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Gutterpump said:
Sorry to break it to you but:

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David Dunn said:
"His great gift is the ability to draw attention — and then use that attention for his own, usually commercial, purposes."

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

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"The greatest trick Donald Trump pulled was convincing voters he’d be “anti-establishment."

Your pessimism didn't prevent him from winning the election.

His campaign figuratively shot you in the face live on national television and he still won the election.

Trump - 1
Establishment - 0

Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer.
 
David Dunn said:
"The greatest trick Donald Trump pulled was convincing voters he’d be “anti-establishment."

Your pessimism didn't prevent him from winning the election.

His campaign figuratively shot you in the face live on national television and he still won the election.

Trump - 1
Establishment - 0.
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original quote they took that from

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist"

I don't know if I'd call myself a pessimist, I'm more of a cynic. Hoping for the best though, tiny silver linings.
 
Not sure if it's been posted, but here's a relevant video for people on the left, and people in general, following Trump's win (and, again, I'm NOT a "Trump supporter"):
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Gutterpump said:
original quote they took that from

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist"

I don't know if I'd call myself a pessimist, I'm more of a cynic. Hoping for the best though, tiny silver linings.
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Here's a perspective to consider; I tell you I'm going to do something for you and my commitment to you is to deliver what I promise.

Along the way you feel the need to judge and criticize my methods of delivering on my promise.

Would you rather have me do it how you want me to and fail to deliver on my promise or do it the way I do it (I've got 40 yrs of global results) and deliver on my promise.

He transformed the NYC skyline and is doing similar across the globe by working with his enemies and influencing procedure and policy in such a way that they think it is their own idea.

His behavior is foreign but his results speak volumes. Americans (some of us) want results.

You have to actually sleep with your enemy so you can **** them. Stay tuned.
 
David Dunn said:
Here's a perspective to consider; I tell you I'm going to do something for you and my commitment to you is to deliver what I promise.

Along the way you feel the need to judge and criticize my methods of delivering on my promise.

Would you rather have me do it how you want me to and fail to deliver on my promise or do it the way I do it (I've got 40 yrs of global results) and deliver on my promise.

He transformed the NYC skyline and is doing similar across the globe by working with his enemies and influencing procedure and policy in such a way that they think it is their own idea.

His behavior is foreign but his results speak volumes. Americans (some of us) want results.

You have to actually sleep with your enemy so you can **** them. Stay tuned.
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I just don't feel that he will deliver on his promise. He built his company for HIM, not the American people.

Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I doubt it.
 
Funny thing about thoughts and feelings. They have the power to bring life or death to a mans heart regardless of circumstances. At the end of our day that about the only thing we can control. Choose well. :)
 
David Dunn said:
Funny thing about thoughts and feelings. They have the power to bring life or death to a mans heart regardless of circumstances. At the end of our day that about the only thing we can control. Choose well. :)
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Ok, whatever that means lol.

I can't think or "feel" he might not do what he says?
 
Misfit28 said:
Ok, whatever that means lol.

I can't think or "feel" he might not do what he says?
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You are perpetually defensive and or antagonistic.

It means exactly what I said. It's not your typical rhetorical refutation. Its literal. You CAN think anything you want. When you're miserable you have yourself to thank.
 
David Dunn said:
You are perpetually defensive and or antagonistic.

It means exactly what I said. It's not your typical rhetorical refutation. Its literal. You CAN think anything you want. When you're miserable you have yourself to thank.
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Eh, I won't be miserable. I actually do stuff in my community to help people.

But since you think I'm so angry:

 
I'll say what I like.

I have never claimed to know what you're like. I'm a homophobic sexist racist. My powers are limited.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
If nothing else, Trump should be good with money.
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The best possible move I believe can be done for the biggest change for the future is putting Ron Paul in as Secretary of Treasury...and make sure he has ALOT of serurity.
 
ax1 said:
The best possible move I believe can be done for the biggest change for the future is putting Ron Paul in as Secretary of Treasury...and make sure he has ALOT of serurity.
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He's considering a guy from Goldman Sachs.

How very non-establishment of him. Hillary wouldn't have done much better, granted.
 
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