Donald Trump running for president

Once again, Trump is WRONG about immigrants and crime.

I don't love the Cato Institute, as I've said before, but they do a decent job of breaking down two studies here:

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Also:

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Again, I will reiterate....neither should be allowed to be President. He's still a cartoon character, and even solely based on Wikileaks, there is so much corruption.

I say, lets redo all the candidates with one general election. No electoral college, just a popular vote with everyone that ran.

Winner take all
 
AE14 said:
Again, I will reiterate....neither should be allowed to be President. He's still a cartoon character, and even solely based on Wikileaks, there is so much corruption.

I say, lets redo all the candidates with one general election. No electoral college, just a popular vote with everyone that ran.

Winner take all
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Throw in Obama and he has my vote!!!!!






A vote for I'll pass that is.
 
Gutterpump said:
Obama's been great in his final year. I wish he would've been more unhinged and open like this throughout his presidency lol
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I wished he had been arrested and impeached for treason and all his violations to his oath of office. There is nothing great about him at all other than he belongs behind bars sharing soap with that nasty woman running for office right now.
 
ax1 said:
I wished he had been arrested and impeached for treason and all his violations to his oath of office. There is nothing great about him at all other than he belongs behind bars sharing soap with that nasty woman running for office right now.
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Cool bro
 
Also, another one of Trump's campaign staff "steps back" from the campaign due to "personal reasons":

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This seems to be a common theme.
 
David Dunn said:
Where is his unhingedness and openess applicable and relevant to his position of Commander in Chief of the USA?
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You sound like a robot here lol

I'm just happy to see Obama speak up against Trump's BS and to see him 'telling it how it is', which is exactly what Trump supporters supposedly like about Trump.
 
Misfit28 said:
IMO, in speaking out against the circus sideshow that is Trump's campaign. I am biased about that, though :)
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OK.

I lthink his domestic policies are great. He's tearing down the walls that divide us. In particularly the openness with JayZee Beyonce...FO shizzle... :D
 
Gutterpump said:
You sound like a robot here lol

I'm just happy to see Obama speak up against Trump's BS and to see him 'telling it how it is', which is exactly what Trump supporters supposedly like about Trump.
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You mean like how Obama is giving Dump a hard time saying he is out of his mind for stating the election is rigged and that its impossible etc...., and then the next day Obama says Russia is rigging the election?
 
ax1 said:
You mean like how Obama is giving Dump a hard time saying he is out of his mind for stating the election is rigged and that its impossible, and then the next day Obama says Russia is rigging the election?
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If that's what I meant, that's what I would've said.

But on the topic, he hasn't said Russia is rigging. It was proven Russia was responsible for hacking. But nobody said rigging, just interfering/getting involved.
 
Gutterpump said:
If that's what I meant, that's what I would've said.

But on the topic, he hasn't said Russia is rigging. It was proven Russia was responsible for hacking. But nobody said rigging, just interfering/getting involved.
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As far as we know, our intelligence hackers aka NSA are capable of anything and lying about everything, including making it seem as if Russia is hacking the votes. We have no idea, our own system is above the law and any lacks all moral integrity. All it requires is a small device and a high school hacker anyways, the entire planet could be rigging the election.

We need to go to paper ballots...not rig proof but that will help keep NSA and hackers from manipulating the counts.
 
CJNator said:
Even domestically Obama hasn't helped at all.
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Inb4 bush was bad too
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"Hasn't helped at all". Please clarify, the article just talks about regulation.

The problem I have with Libertarian thinking is that they seem to think that big corporations (which are the ones that cause most corruption) will just straighten up and fly right if they are free of regulation. Yeah, right.

Correct me if I'm wrong here ;)
 
Gutterpump said:
Here we go with the racism again
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Whose a robot now.

You've called me a racist far too many times for my liking. Quit being a prick and reading into **** that isn't there.

Go outside in that beautiful city in this great country of ours - there's plenty of fish in the sea - find a non supermodel girl and have a coffee with her. It will do your troll a whole lot of good.
 
ax1 said:
He inherited all of Bush's problems and crisis's. I think Obama deserves a mulligan.
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Well if we pretend like corporations didn't have politicians in their pocket, I can say he had a choice to deregulate the market. Every president has a choice to do what is right or wrong but if they are becoming the president it's most likely wrong. I'm not doing the blame game, he was the president when these regulations were implemented and no matter what he had the free will to choose what to do.
 
Misfit28 said:
"Hasn't helped at all". Please clarify, the article just talks about regulation.

The problem I have with Libertarian thinking is that they seem to think that big corporations (which are the ones that cause most corruption) will just straighten up and fly right if they are free of regulation. Yeah, right.

Correct me if I'm wrong here ;)
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If people were actually aware that they can control the market I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want money. Right now the government's regulations make it hard for small businesses to grow so they can become competition, if there is competition I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want to keep their place in the market as top dogs. It's all about pleasing the customers. Also yes not every business will be moral but at that point it's up to the consumers to regulate with their money.
 
CJNator said:
Well if we pretend like corporations didn't have politicians in their pocket, I can say he had a choice to deregulate the market. Every president has a choice to do what is right or wrong but if they are becoming the president it's most likely wrong. I'm not doing the blame game, he was the president when these regulations were implemented and no matter what he had the free will to choose what to do.
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I was being sarcastic.

Obama is a globalist NWO big banker/corporate elitist and has no interest in helping America, but rather handing power over to a global corporate/banking elite.

Obama has had 8 years in the white house and has proven to simply be scum of the earth.
 
CJNator said:
If people were actually aware that they can control the market I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want money. Right now the government's regulations make it hard for small businesses to grow so they can become competition, if there is competition I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want to keep their place in the market as top dogs. It's all about pleasing the customers. Also yes not every business will be moral but at that point it's up to the consumers to regulate with their money.
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You have to eliminate the lobby from politics or nothing will ever get better. Take a dollar in lobby money should = impeachment out of office in my books.

Remember back in 07 Obama kept saying "Ill never take a penny of lobby money" .....ROFL we know how that turned out!
 
ax1 said:
I was being sarcastic.

Obama is a globalist NWO big banker/corporate elitist and has no interest in helping America, but rather handing power over to a global corporate/banking elite.

Obama has had 8 years in the white house and has proven to simply be scum of the earth.
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Lol I can't detect sarcasm in the internet my bad, I agree with you 100%.
 
CJNator said:
If people were actually aware that they can control the market I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want money. Right now the government's regulations make it hard for small businesses to grow so they can become competition, if there is competition I'm sure corporations would straighten up if they want to keep their place in the market as top dogs. It's all about pleasing the customers. Also yes not every business will be moral but at that point it's up to the consumers to regulate with their money.
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I call bull$h1t. You know the reason Libertarianism doesn't exist as a world government? It doesn't work.
 
Misfit28 said:
I call bull$h1t. You know the reason Libertarianism doesn't exist as a world government? It doesn't work.
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Its not because it doesnt work, it will work extremely good and its far better than the jack system we have now. The problem is special interests will do all they can to make this system raise to the top. Also, people at a young age are conditioned differently which is another obstacle, but we all know who runs that department. Its much much more to it but Ill keep this post short.

The Liberty movement is winning and will continue to grow strong.
 
ax1 said:
You have to eliminate the lobby from politics or nothing will ever get better. Take a dollar in lobby money should = impeachment out of office in my books.

Remember back in 07 Obama kept saying "Ill never take a penny of lobby money" .....ROFL we know how that turned out!
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I know I'll be called a hypocrite for this but I can debate otherwise, laissez faire capitalism is a utopia. Historically government has always had its nose up everyone's business and I can't imagine it changing anytime soon.

Also government itself is a monopoly on security which is bad. Plus taxation is thief ;).
 
Misfit28 said:
I call bull$h1t. You know the reason Libertarianism doesn't exist as a world government? It doesn't work.
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Actually because it has never been tried and collectivism always reined supreme due to religion indoctrination and lack of knowledge as a whole on individualism/sovereignty or just knowledge generally. Capitalism is fairly new when compared to other "ism"s.

Think about this, how has government helped you today, this month, and this year? Government has no involvement when it comes to human interaction, the idea that it does keeps statism a supreme ideology just like the idea that god effects our everyday lives when their is no proof he does(not trying to change topic).
 
Would you say that your Libertarian concepts match that of the Cato Institute? Individualism, Individual Rights, Spontaneous Order, The Rule of Law, Limited Government, Free Markets, The Virtue of Production, Natural Harmony of Interests and Peace?
 
CJNator said:
Actually because it has never been tried and collectivism always reined supreme due to religion indoctrination and lack of knowledge as a whole on individualism/sovereignty or just knowledge generally. Capitalism is fairly new when compared to other "ism"s.

Think about this, how has government helped you today, this month, and this year? Government has no involvement when it comes to human interaction, the idea that it does keeps statism a supreme ideology just like the idea that god effects our everyday lives when their is no proof he does(not trying to change topic).
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It hasn't been tried because it won't work.

Government has helped me plenty, it helps fund my research :) I've also received quite a bit of mail and I'm currently communicating on the internet.
 
David Dunn said:
Whose a robot now.

You've called me a racist far too many times for my liking. Quit being a prick and reading into **** that isn't there.

Go outside in that beautiful city in this great country of ours - there's plenty of fish in the sea - find a non supermodel girl and have a coffee with her. It will do your troll a whole lot of good.
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If you're trying to make fun of a black president by talking in ebonics, sorry but that's fuy67ing racist buddy
 
Misfit28 said:
Would you say that your Libertarian concepts match that of the Cato Institute? Individualism, Individual Rights, Spontaneous Order, The Rule of Law, Limited Government, Free Markets, The Virtue of Production, Natural Harmony of Interests and Peace?
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I havent looked into the Cato institute too much but personally Im into the School of Austrian Economics and the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity.
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The little I looked into the Cato institute a while back I dont think they are a big fan of Paul if I remember correctly.
 
Misfit28 said:
It hasn't been tried because it won't work.

Government has helped me plenty, it helps fund my research :) I've also received quite a bit of mail and I'm currently communicating on the internet.
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Wow what an amazing accomplishment.
 
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