Donald Trump running for president

Matthandyo said:
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Can't forget he's a secret Muslim
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Funny meme, but losing $900 million when you're worth $3 billion plus still leaves you with $2 billion. As I've said numerous times, I don't get why people want to criticize him for being bad at business (making money), when that's actually just about the only thing he is good at. There are plenty of other legitimate things to criticize him for, haha.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Funny meme, but losing $900 million when you're worth $3 billion plus still leaves you with $2 billion. As I've said numerous times, I don't get why people want to criticize him for being bad at business (making money), when that's actually just about the only thing he is good at. There are plenty of other legitimate things to criticize him for, haha.
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Lol losing 1/3 of your worth in a year is no biggie. Good at screwing people, including the military and law enforcement by not paying taxes, bad at being a good person.
 
Matthandyo said:
Lol losing 1/3 of your worth in a year is no biggie. Good at screwing people, including the military and law enforcement by not paying taxes, bad at being a good person.
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People shouldnt be paying income taxes regardless, this is an abusive government practice and a violation of human rights.

Dump has provided a very large amount of people jobs and good incomes. Maybe some got screwed over but Id like to see the story behind it, sometimes people dont deserve to get payed if they dont fulfill their contracts for example.

Obama is great a screwing the entire population over, look at Obamacare. Dont like it? Well the IRS will now punish you for it and if you dont comply you go to prison. That is a true screwjob.

1/3rd of your wealth may be a big deal to you, but its not for Trump's case. There are risks involved and and gambles to take and Id feel a fool to criticize is credibility in business.
 
Matthandyo said:
Lol losing 1/3 of your worth in a year is no biggie. Good at screwing people, including the military and law enforcement by not paying taxes, bad at being a good person.
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I don't think he's in any real financial trouble/danger, haha.

And see, you just pointed out some more legitimate criticisms of Trump than him somehow being bad with money. Even him avoiding paying taxes and/or not paying people is much more valid criticism than him not being good with money.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I don't think he's in any real financial trouble/danger, haha.

And see, you just pointed out some more legitimate criticisms of Trump than him somehow being bad with money. Even him avoiding paying taxes and/or not paying people is much more valid criticism than him not being good with money.
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Criticisms often come from people who think its a conspiracy theory to audit the federal reserve which has stolen trillions and trillions of US taxpayer money with their overseas ponzi schemes.

Criticisms often come from people that support high corporate taxes and then bitch and whine when these corporations move to China and Mexico.

I mean really, who the f' wouldnt want to avoid (at least legally avoid) government stealing their fruits of their hard work and labor?
 
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I cant believe this stuff, how do you make this up!!!!!!!

“I read he doesn’t have long to live and I want to meet him face to face before he dies. I just want to shake his hand and say ‘Hi, Dad,’ before he dies,”

Danney Williams - Bill Clintons abandoned son

Here is a picture of the son, the whore prostitute Bill has sex with all the time who lived about 5 blocks away from the Governor's Mansion while pretending to go out jogging and Bill to complete the family photo.

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Gutterpump said:
Sure does, when a white man can get away criticizing America (and gets cheered), but a black man can't
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I think Dump has been boo'd on a far higher level than Kapernick has nationally (just not on his stage.)

Look at it this way, if Kapernick has a staged platform of supporters they would all be cheering, and if Dump was in the middle of the NFL stadium making a speech about how America wacks kok he would be getting boos. Id be booing him too, I want to watch sports not politics.

This has nothing to do with color and all about being at a certain place at a certain time.
 
Gutterpump said:
Sure does, when a white man can get away criticizing America (and gets cheered), but a black man can't
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They are also going about it in different ways (disclaimer: I'm not saying what Trump is doing is any better or justified), and are in different positions. As a politician, part of campaigning is pointing out "problems" and saying that you can fix them, which is one reason why Trump can get away with it (he's running for President), but a back-up QB trying to stay relevant isn't really in the same boat in a lot of people's eyes. I really didn't have much of an opinion on Kappernick (I don't know how to spell his name) until he worse the cops are pigs socks. At that point, I found him to be hypocritical; we shouldn't assume that all blacks people are criminals (that is true, of course), but you're pretty much saying all cops are pigs? Ok then.

Also, not everything is such a black and white issue as you want to make it out to be. Pun intended. Also, given your past history of trolling here, it makes it hard for me to even tell when you're being serious, just trying to start conversation, or outright trolling.
 
ax1 said:
I think Dump has been boo'd on a far higher level than Kapernick has nationally (just not on his stage.)

Look at it this way, if Kapernick has a staged platform of supporters they would all be cheering, and if Dump was in the middle of the NFL stadium making a speech about how America wacks kok he would be getting boos. Id be booing him too, I want to watch sports not politics.

This has nothing to do with color and all about being at a certain place at a certain time.
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I understand what you're saying, but my post was aimed at the hypocritical Trump supporters.
 
Gutterpump said:
Sure does, when a white man can get away criticizing America (and gets cheered), but a black man can't
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You mean the guy who didn't stand for the pledge and wore socks with pigs on them representing cops vs the guy who just says he wants America great again?
 
CJNator said:
You mean the guy who didn't stand for the pledge and wore socks with pigs on them representing cops vs the guy who just says he wants America great again?
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I think it's pretty ridiculous to claim to want to make America great again, honestly. Compare what we have to dozens of other countries, and you can see that America is already pretty darn great.
 
CJNator, I dunno if he wore pig socks or not, but surely that's not nearly as bad as calling most Mexicans criminals and rapists, making fun of handicapped people, hating all Muslims, being condescending to women, and being a racist prick? You tell me..
 
Misfit28 said:
I think it's pretty ridiculous to claim to want to make America great again, honestly. Compare what we have to dozens of other countries, and you can see that America is already pretty darn great.
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Yea compared to the rest of the world it's a great place to live but there are plenty of other places that are "greater" then America.

Gutterpump said:
Ahh I get it. You're one of those all lives matters nazis
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Nope I don't care for any of those movements.
 
Gutterpump said:
CJNator, I dunno if he wore pig socks or not, but surely that's not nearly as bad as calling most Mexicans criminals and rapists, making fun of handicapped people, hating all Muslims, being condescending to women, and being a racist prick? You tell me..
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Stereotyping is accepted in America and he isn't racist, I have never heard him say anything racist. Like I've heard plenty of times, people like that he speaks his mind whether it's offensive or not.
 
Gutterpump said:
Ahh I get it. You're one of those all lives matters nazis
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For some reason, this reminded me of the people who get upset when you say "Merry Christmas," as if it somehow diminishes or disrespects other holidays. I suppose saying Merry Christmas shouldn't be taken to mean "screw Hanukkah," and "black lives matter" shouldn't be taken to mean that white lives don't. BLM just needs to put real emphasis on ensuring that idiots who are using it as excuse to riot and loot aren't associated with what the movement should be (peaceful).
 
CJNator said:
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Oh god, not more libertarian propaganda......

However, I could see myself living in several of those countries in the top 10. Sweden and Norway are two of my preferred places to live if I could.

I just don't trust the Cato Institute. The Koch brothers are awful people.
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh god, not more libertarian propaganda......

However, I could see myself living in several of those countries in the top 10.

I just don't trust the Cato Institute. The Koch brothers are awful people.
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Have you seen some of their policy positions? They support child labor, for one. They're also climate denialists (wonder why?), support the right to deny blacks the vote, and support the right to corrupt legislators.

They oppose public schools, trade unions, environmental regulation to name a few.

Some of their positions I can agree with, but most of them are kinda out there.

And just for a bit of added cognitive dissonance, they also support the existence of global warming, while still being anti-environmental and spreading global warming conspiracy theories.
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh god, not more libertarian propaganda......

However, I could see myself living in several of those countries in the top 10.

I just don't trust the Cato Institute. The Koch brothers are awful people.
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The PDF book was helped by several other places including Cato. There isn't any bias in the PDF just information, which doesn't make it any less factual. I would probably look into moving to Switzerland.
 
Misfit28 said:
Oh god, not more libertarian propaganda......

However, I could see myself living in several of those countries in the top 10. Sweden and Norway are two of my preferred places to live if I could.

I just don't trust the Cato Institute. The Koch brothers are awful people.
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David Koch is so awful, he's GIVEN $1.3 BILLION to Sloan Kettering Hospital.

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I guarantee there is very few days that go by that you don't use a Koch product in some form in your daily living. Whether it's paper products, or a product that's been packaged by or with Koch products.
 
Misfit28 said:
Have you seen some of their policy positions? They support child labor, for one. They're also climate denialists (wonder why?), support the right to deny blacks the vote, and support the right to corrupt legislators.

They oppose public schools, trade unions, environmental regulation to name a few.

Some of their positions I can agree with, but most of them are kinda out there.

And just for a bit of added cognitive dissonance, they also support the existence of global warming, while still being anti-environmental and spreading global warming conspiracy theories.
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You make it seem like they are horrible but I understand their beliefs, I don't feel like explaining it though. I'd have to look into the denying black vote and corrupting legislators. Also you must understand all libertarians have different beliefs, they aren't as collective like other ideologies.
 
CJNator said:
You make it seem like they are horrible but I understand their beliefs, I don't feel like explaining it though. I'd have to look into the denying black vote and corrupting legislators. Also you must understand all libertarians have different beliefs, they aren't as collective like other ideologies.
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Denying the black vote is liberal speak for wanting a voter to verify their identity before voting. And the libs wouldn't still be in positions of authority if it weren't for corrupt legislators.
 
CJNator said:
You make it seem like they are horrible but I understand their beliefs, I don't feel like explaining it though. I'd have to look into the denying black vote and corrupting legislators. Also you must understand all libertarians have different beliefs, they aren't as collective like other ideologies.
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Ilya Shapiro didn't outright say it, but he supports removing oversight on Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which limits Voter ID and other law changes that disproportionately affect minorities.

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youngandfree said:
Denying the black vote is liberal speak for wanting a voter to verify their identity before voting. And the libs wouldn't still be in positions of authority if it weren't for corrupt legislators.
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It's not just blacks. It's Latinos, the elderly and younger voters as well.

This fantasy that voter fraud is so widespread is inane.

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About voter fraud:

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Interesting research on fact-checking, and how some people just won't read it or won't believe it even if the evidence is there:

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A small quote from the article above:

"In general, humans are really good at ignoring information that cuts against their ideological preferences," Graves said. "That's true on the left and the right. It's true for more-educated as well as less-educated people. That's always been the case."

People really like believing what their side believes, and they seek out information that confirms those beliefs. In addition, they have a tendency to incorporate (or ignore) any new information in a way that supports their existing worldview. According to one 2000 study Pluta cited, researchers surveyed people's knowledge about welfare. They found that the most misinformed people were also among the most confident in their misinformed ideas — and many of them resist correct information when it's presented."
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Can't they both be bad? And hypocrites?
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Nothing bad about Colin Kaepernick at all. He's standing up against injustices by peacefully protesting in a very visible manner.

Trump on the other hand embodies everything wrong about the obnoxious attitude of many Americans. People like him cause America(ns) to be looked down upon globally. And not only does he preach hate, but he condones and preaches violence.
 
Gutterpump said:
Nothing bad about Colin Kaepernick at all. He's standing up against injustices by peacefully protesting in a very visible manner.

Trump on the other hand embodies everything wrong about the obnoxious attitude of many Americans. People like him cause America(ns) to be looked down upon globally. And not only does he preach hate, but he condones and preaches violence.
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You don't see anything hypocritical about him wearing cops are pigs socks though? The whole don't judge an entire group by the actions of a few and whatnot?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You don't see anything hypocritical about him wearing cops are pigs socks though? The whole don't judge an entire group by the actions of a few and whatnot?
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No. It's symbolic from Animal Farm. Authoritarian figures that make exceptions and change the rules as they see fit.
 
Rodja said:
No. It's symbolic from Animal Farm. Authoritarian figures that make exceptions and change the rules as they see fit.
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That entirely missed the point. I'm also willing to bet that the majority of people who call cops pigs probably don't know what Animal Farm is (I'm not talking about race here; it applies to white, black, etc); calling cops pigs is usually a generic derogatory term.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That entirely missed the point. I'm also willing to bet that the majority of people who call cops pigs probably don't know what Animal Farm is (I'm not talking about race here; it applies to white, black, etc); calling cops pigs is usually a generic derogatory term.
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How did it miss the point? It's social commentary just as Animal Farm was. To even attempt to draw a parallel between satire/commentary and racial profiling shows how people are just looking to throw **** at him. Nevermind that the criticisms are a complete red herring and ignore the content of his statements.
 
Misfit28 said:
It's not just blacks. It's Latinos, the elderly and younger voters as well.

This fantasy that voter fraud is so widespread is inane.

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About voter fraud:

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Interesting research on fact-checking, and how some people just won't read it or won't believe it even if the evidence is there:

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A small quote from the article above:

"In general, humans are really good at ignoring information that cuts against their ideological preferences," Graves said. "That's true on the left and the right. It's true for more-educated as well as less-educated people. That's always been the case."

People really like believing what their side believes, and they seek out information that confirms those beliefs. In addition, they have a tendency to incorporate (or ignore) any new information in a way that supports their existing worldview. According to one 2000 study Pluta cited, researchers surveyed people's knowledge about welfare. They found that the most misinformed people were also among the most confident in their misinformed ideas — and many of them resist correct information when it's presented."
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Remember the GAO only looks at what is given to them, just like the CBO.

From the politico article.
In letters included with the report, the Republican secretaries of state for Kansas and Tennessee challenged its accuracy. Kansas’ Kris Kobach said if voting data from 2012 and 2000 were compared, it would show little effect on turnout. Tennessee’s Tre Hargett said the GAO report used biased information from a “progressive data firm.”

Notice the article doesn't list what the actual studies are they looked at, and how they were conducted. It's no different than looking at skewed polls.
 
Gutterpump said:
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Not only do some people not care, they share similar beliefs. However, I do think that a lot of people who will vote for Trump aren't really "Trump supporters" as much as they are either against Hillary, or for the "idea of Trump" (a non-politician who speaks his mind), without really knowing or caring what he actually stands for. But for people who are actually VERY pro-Trump, this is a valid point. I don't think Trump would be where he is in the race if we weren't coming off 8 years of Bush then 8 of Obama (people aren't really pleased with either of them), and his opponent wasn't as generally disliked and untrustworthy Hillary. This whole election is a mess.
 
Gutterpump said:
We could make America great again if we round up and deport all of Trump's voters
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Again, not everyone who votes for him, maybe just people who REALLY support him and view him as a great candidate, not just slightly less terrible than Clinton. I think there's a difference there. I know lots of people who are voting for Trump, but call him out for his idiotic/racist/sexist BS and wish he'd just shut his mouth already. The issue is the people who really agree with what he's saying.
 
Gutterpump said:
Let me rephrase - Round up and deport all Trump supporters / enablers :)
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MuscleUp has done a fantastic job of explaining to you how (some) people are just very anti-hillary, yet you still sit here and troll just to be a dweeb. As he has said probably a dozen and a half times, not everyone voting for Trump really wants him in the Whitehouse, they just REALLY don't want Hillary in there.

And if not wanting her as POTUS deserves deportation, then let me know which port to show up at. I will gladly be the first one on the ship.
 
youngandfree said:
Remember the GAO only looks at what is given to them, just like the CBO.

From the politico article.
In letters included with the report, the Republican secretaries of state for Kansas and Tennessee challenged its accuracy. Kansas’ Kris Kobach said if voting data from 2012 and 2000 were compared, it would show little effect on turnout. Tennessee’s Tre Hargett said the GAO report used biased information from a “progressive data firm.”

Notice the article doesn't list what the actual studies are they looked at, and how they were conducted. It's no different than looking at skewed polls.
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It wouldn't even matter if I did find the study, you would say it isn't true.

What actual studies have you posted to prove the huge amount of voter fraud purported by right wing sites?

Maybe I should just say "many people are saying", that seems to be more your speed.
 
I've posted plenty of studies or articles on things you just dismiss as right wing nut job conspiracy. Again, the GAO only does a study on the material provided to them. Just like the non partisan CBO that said Obamacare would save everyone $2500 and cost less than a trillion dollars. All based on the numbers fed to them by the Democrats that comissioned the study.
 
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