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Interesting. So sad we cant even trust our government to tell us the truth on events like this (pending this multiple shooter thing is true). The phone conversation seems to be the most interesting piece of evidence for that, imo.

Also, if that guy was holding the door...he wouldve been in trouble. No way in hell i wouldve let someone stand there and block the exit.
 
Matthandyo said:
Where did I defend isis at all?

Or are you just full of ****
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Maybe he sees you as a Christian hating bigot. It's the same defense you use for accusing someone odlf saying something theyvdidnt. Again your own bias and ideology won't let you accept facts at face value.
 
Why is it that with every shooting that takes place, it automatically becomes suspect to some sort of governmental interference conspiracy?

Do I think our government does some very shady illegal and immoral things to benefit the pockets of the elite. Absolutely.

What I do not believe, is that every shooting that takes place is either some hired government hit squad to commit these acts in order to push gun control propaganda, or some paid off and framed muslin, white, black, Hispanic, Chinese, male, female, person to commit such heinous acts.

I get that there is always a possibility that there is more to some of these shootings then what we are told, but what bothers me is the fact that they are automatically suspect to being fake or a government set up.

I live 20 minutes from Sandy Hook, I knew one of the teachers who were killed, I know a family member of one the children that were killed, my volunteer ambulance crew had to respond to Sandy Hook on stand by and the sheer horror they saw that took place on that day was very real.

The teacher I went to school with and grew up with, was not some paid actress who is now living on an island being paid off by the government. She is dead. Nor do I believe some hit squad came in and killed all those kids and then framed Adam Lanza.

Sometimes plain and simple, there are just really fûcked up people in this world.
 
Also in regards to the multiple guns being fired, didn't the police have like a several hour stand off/shoot out with the guy eventually killing him? Couldn't some of the gun shots being heard be both the shooter and the police?
 
One last thought, I don't believe this smells of governmental interference but I do think there could be the possibility that there were multiple shooters. Some may have escaped, and government does not want to cause mass panic/backlash by letting that out.
 
They should be able to tell us that the shooters got away, its better than them blatantly lying to the entire nation.
 
Catholics are the only Christians I know of that believe in purgatory, considering I've never been taught about it from first attending church as a young child to adult hood. Secondly, the new covenant in Jesus Christ being sacrificed overrides the old testament laws.

Here's an easy to read Google link that no one will read because they already know everything.

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Dirty Dan said:
Why is it that with every shooting that takes place, it automatically becomes suspect to some sort of governmental interference conspiracy?

Do I think our government does some very shady illegal and immoral things to benefit the pockets of the elite. Absolutely.

What I do not believe, is that every shooting that takes place is either some hired government hit squad to commit these acts in order to push gun control propaganda, or some paid off and framed muslin, white, black, Hispanic, Chinese, male, female, person to commit such heinous acts.

I get that there is always a possibility that there is more to some of these shootings then what we are told, but what bothers me is the fact that they are automatically suspect to being fake or a government set up.

I live 20 minutes from Sandy Hook, I knew one of the teachers who were killed, I know a family member of one the children that were killed, my volunteer ambulance crew had to respond to Sandy Hook on stand by and the sheer horror they saw that took place on that day was very real.

The teacher I went to school with and grew up with, was not some paid actress who is now living on an island being paid off by the government. She is dead. Nor do I believe some hit squad came in and killed all those kids and then framed Adam Lanza.

Sometimes plain and simple, there are just really fûcked up people in this world.
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Some of us just look into things at depth and I spend alot of free time over the years looking into things, very sorry about your loss in Sandy Hook.

Personally, after reading documents such as Operation Northwoods which was one last signature away from being put into action government is always suspect. In this unclassified document the US government was to bomb populated cities such as Chicago and other cities around the nation simply to blame it on Cuba and justify war and invade Cuba. Then there is 9/11 and Im not going to get into that but the story they told is is impossible.

Anyways, your going to have to decide on your own what is and what is not true, but on my understanding and education Ive had I am comfortable at minimum making government suspect every time. And by government, I dont mean everybody, I think the average cop, fbi, cia means to do good but those on top will do anything when it comes to promoting their "national security" agendas.
 
ax1 said:
Some of us just look into things at depth and I spend alot of free time over the years looking into things, very sorry about your loss in Sandy Hook.

Personally, after reading documents such as Operation Northwoods which was one last signature away from being put into action government is always suspect. In this unclassified document the US government was to bomb populated cities such as Chicago and other cities around the nation simply to blame it on Cuba and justify war and invade Cuba. Then there is 9/11 and Im not going to get into that but the story they told is is impossible.

Anyways, your going to have to decide on your own what is and what is not true, but on my understanding and education Ive had I am comfortable at minimum making government suspect every time. And by government, I dont mean everybody, I think the average cop, fbi, cia means to do good but those on top will do anything when it comes to promoting their "national security" agendas.
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Thank you, and I can respect and agree with you on most parts. I do think the top 1% control everything, and I mean everything. I'm with you on 9/11 and certain other views on government.

I guess I just get tired hearing the same conspiracy theory every time a mass shooting happens.
 
While this is on my mind, something that does bother me is how narrow minded some of us Americans can be in regards to global tragedies.

Every time an event happens here in America it seems like it's the most important event in the world. I get that as Americans, this is our land, our backyards, our friends, our family, and our priority. Of course when something happens here, it's going to become the primary focus for us.

When 9/11 happened, it was all over the news globally. It was a huge tragedy and event. Every house in America hung up their America flag to show unity. Countries all over the world reached out to us. The event is still remembered to this day.

These mass shootings here in America, again covered 24/7 by the media, we as citizens come together, flags go up, other countries reach out and show their support, and it's talked about for years and years to come.

The Boston bombings, same thing, covered 24/7 by the media, we as citizens come together, flags go up, other countries reach out and show their support. Especially countries in the Middle East who deal with suicide bombings on a daily basis.

Why as Americans can't we do the same for other tragedies around the world?

The shooting in France. Sure it got global coverage, but for how long? How many people read about it on their phones, commented on how terrible it was and then continued to order their large meatball pizza.

Suicide bombings in the Middle East? Every day, several times a day, bombs go off killing 20,30,40,50 people at a time and when does that ever get discussed or mourned.

Natural disasters that take out 1000 people in a third world country, why don't we hold moments of silence for them.

Genocides that take place in Africa.

I just don't get why we as human beings can't respectfully mourn one another equally around the world.
 
Where's all the security camera footage? Most modern day night clubs are full of cameras to protect themselves from robbery and lawsuits.

Where's the footage
 
Dirty Dan said:
I live 20 minutes from Sandy Hook, I knew one of the teachers who were killed, I know a family member of one the children that were killed, my volunteer ambulance crew had to respond to Sandy Hook on stand by and the sheer horror they saw that took place on that day was very real.

The teacher I went to school with and grew up with, was not some paid actress who is now living on an island being paid off by the government. She is dead. Nor do I believe some hit squad came in and killed all those kids and then framed Adam Lanza.
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Oh dear, how tragic. I know this is probably very hard for you Dan, but tell me, what was the name of that teacher friend of yours? She should not be forgotten.
 
youngandfree said:
Catholics are the only Christians I know of that believe in purgatory, considering I've never been taught about it from first attending church as a young child to adult hood. Secondly, the new covenant in Jesus Christ being sacrificed overrides the old testament laws.

Here's an easy to read Google link that no one will read because they already know everything.

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Ahhh right. That's due to my Catholic upbringing. I wasn't sure if other Christian Faith's believe in it. So the Sacraments and Purgatory are the two main distinctive differences between Catholicism and other Christian faiths.

So thanks to Jesus, we no longer need to kill homosexuals? I'm confused by that statement about laws being overridden because of His sacrifice. That doesn't seem right (or logical I should say).
 
Dirty Dan said:
While this is on my mind, something that does bother me is how narrow minded some of us Americans can be in regards to global tragedies.

Every time an event happens here in America it seems like it's the most important event in the world. I get that as Americans, this is our land, our backyards, our friends, our family, and our priority. Of course when something happens here, it's going to become the primary focus for us.

When 9/11 happened, it was all over the news globally. It was a huge tragedy and event. Every house in America hung up their America flag to show unity. Countries all over the world reached out to us. The event is still remembered to this day.

These mass shootings here in America, again covered 24/7 by the media, we as citizens come together, flags go up, other countries reach out and show their support, and it's talked about for years and years to come.

The Boston bombings, same thing, covered 24/7 by the media, we as citizens come together, flags go up, other countries reach out and show their support. Especially countries in the Middle East who deal with suicide bombings on a daily basis.

Why as Americans can't we do the same for other tragedies around the world?

The shooting in France. Sure it got global coverage, but for how long? How many people read about it on their phones, commented on how terrible it was and then continued to order their large meatball pizza.

Suicide bombings in the Middle East? Every day, several times a day, bombs go off killing 20,30,40,50 people at a time and when does that ever get discussed or mourned.

Natural disasters that take out 1000 people in a third world country, why don't we hold moments of silence for them.

Genocides that take place in Africa.

I just don't get why we as human beings can't respectfully mourn one another equally around the world.
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Its a sad sad world thats for sure. Be certain than many of us Americans in our minds are always together with the sufferings in the world.
 
cubsfan815 said:
Where's all the security camera footage? Most modern day night clubs are full of cameras to protect themselves from robbery and lawsuits.

Where's the footage
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Good questoin. Oklahoma city bombing many places around had security cameras, but they all happened to be changing the vhs tape at the same time. Pentagon, they show us the twin towers getting hit over and over again but the most surveillanced place in the world there is nothing but a measly clippy short shot that was only released by people fighting to obtain anything. The list goes on.

Lets see how this plays out and if the footage is released, this is something to look for. Always keep in mind the CIA and other organizations have the ability to have these modified .
 
ax1 said:
Good questoin. Oklahoma city bombing many places around had security cameras, but they all happened to be changing the vhs tape at the same time. Pentagon, they show us the twin towers getting hit over and over again but the most surveillanced place in the world there is nothing but a measly clippy short shot that was only released by people fighting to obtain anything. The list goes on.

Lets see how this plays out and if the footage is released, this is something to look for. Always keep in mind the CIA and other organizations have the ability to have these modified .
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Exactly!!
 
Also, I know this doesn't represent the entire Christian religion. It just goes to show that there are extremist in every religion.


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Matthandyo said:
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So the gun man was a regular at the gay bar
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From what I've read about him, his parents seem like normal people. Perhaps he was once raised and lived a normal life but as he dug deeper into the radical Islamic ways and teachings, is when he started to change.

Maybe deep down he has always had homosexual feelings but grew up in a culture where it is considered wrong. Maybe he visited the club as a way to release those urges.

Perhaps as he got deeper and deeper into radical Islamic practices and knowing that in their culture being a homosexual is considered wrong and punishable by death, perhaps he felt this act of terror was a way to redeem himself?
 
Dirty Dan said:
From what I've read about him, his parents seem like normal people. Perhaps he was once raised and lived a normal life but as he dug deeper into the radical Islamic ways and teachings, is when he started to change.

Maybe deep down he has always had homosexual feelings but grew up in a culture where it is considered wrong. Maybe he visited the club as a way to release those urges.

Perhaps as he got deeper and deeper into radical Islamic practices and knowing that in their culture being a homosexual is considered wrong and punishable by death, perhaps he felt this act of terror was a way to redeem himself?
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You apparently haven't read the part about him openly supporting the Taliban.
 
ax1 said:
Good questoin. Oklahoma city bombing many places around had security cameras, but they all happened to be changing the vhs tape at the same time. Pentagon, they show us the twin towers getting hit over and over again but the most surveillanced place in the world there is nothing but a measly clippy short shot that was only released by people fighting to obtain anything. The list goes on.

Lets see how this plays out and if the footage is released, this is something to look for. Always keep in mind the CIA and other organizations have the ability to have these modified .
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Correct term "brushed" ...
 
Gutterpump said:
So is the ongoing theory now that he radicalized and hated who he was, so he went full berzerker? Really strange story unfolding...
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Just saw this headline, they've been posting a lot about it.
 
From what I read, people found him odd/off at the club and he didn't seem to fit in too well? Maybe he was tired of rejection, combined with inner conflict, and lost it?
 
Gutterpump said:
From what I read, people found him odd/off at the club and he didn't seem to fit in too well? Maybe he was tired of rejection, combined with inner conflict, and lost it?
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That's what it seems like. It's weird how all of this has an isis link and the witnesses of other shooters
 
Hitlery's state department blocked an investigation into a mosque and according to retired DHS Philip Haney said a case he developed may have prevented the attack in Orlando.

History keeps repeating itself, the Bernadido shooters were blocked by the white house, and now this.
 
History is also repeating itself with Trump, as he calls to severely punish the neighbors of criminals, if it's been proven that they may have seen but not reported 'suspicious activity' - but this leaves FAR TOO much open to conjecture and heresay, allowing the state to arrest and punish whomever they please basically. Never in the history of our world has this been done, outside of Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. Power would be very dangerous in this man's hands.
 
Gutterpump said:
History is also repeating itself with Trump, as he calls to severely punish the neighbors of criminals, if it's been proven that they may have seen but not reported 'suspicious activity' - but this leaves FAR TOO much open to conjecture and heresay, allowing the state to arrest and punish whomever they please basically. Never in the history of our world has this been done, outside of Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. Power would be very dangerous in this man's hands.
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If he really said that then I agree its totally screwed up. They already do that, dunno to what extent but this is disappointing.
 
Gutterpump said:
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Completely screwed up. He made the comments/call on Monday.
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So he is just reminding people of the DHS campaign that Obama started encouraging people to rat out their neighbors.

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I guess it's Ok for Obama to suggest it but not aNY one else.
 
youngandfree said:
So he is just reminding people of the DHS campaign that Obama started encouraging people to rat out their neighbors.

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I guess it's Ok for Obama to suggest it but not aNY one else.
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Encouraging people? What Trump is proposing is severe punishment if anyone deems you have not spoken up, which can only be based off conjecture and heresay. Big difference.

If Trump is proposing this, then clearly it's not currently written into law (and it never should be).
 
youngandfree said:
So he is just reminding people of the DHS campaign that Obama started encouraging people to rat out their neighbors.

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I guess it's Ok for Obama to suggest it but not aNY one else.
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Trump is not the defender of Liberty....if that's your thing. Remember he wanted Snowden assassinated. Trump for the most part represents monster government, but i can understand why some people will vote for him. No me though.
 
Trump wants to interfere in every aspect of our lives. He's definitely a Libertarian's worst nightmare.

Not only is he on a power trip for BIG goverment, but he wants to punish everyone it seems, from women, to the neighbors/coworkers of criminals, to religious groups and minorities. He wants big government interaction/takeover of all of our lives.
 
Gutterpump said:
Trump wants to interfere in every aspect of our lives. He's definitely a Libertarian's worst nightmare.

Not only is he on a power trip for BIG goverment, but he wants to punish everyone it seems, from women, to the neighbors/coworkers of criminals, to religious groups and minorities. He wants big government interaction/takeover of all of our lives.
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Basically imo he will continue the status quo.
 
Gutterpump said:
Encouraging people? What Trump is proposing is severe punishment if anyone deems you have not spoken up, which can only be based off conjecture and heresay. Big difference.

If Trump is proposing this, then clearly it's not currently written into law (and it never should be).
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Wrong again. Failing to report a person's intention to commit a felony is in fact against federal law.
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He clearly said people that knew about the dead Muslim terrorist's plan should be prosecuted. How is that against existing federal law?
 
youngandfree said:
Wrong again. Failing to report a person's intention to commit a felony is in fact against federal law.
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He clearly said people that knew about the dead Muslim terrorist's plan should be prosecuted. How is that against existing federal law?
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It's also federal law to flip the IRS the bird and tell them to take a hike.

Just venting here one of those days lol
 
youngandfree said:
Wrong again. Failing to report a person's intention to commit a felony is in fact against federal law.
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He clearly said people that knew about the dead Muslim terrorist's plan should be prosecuted. How is that against existing federal law?
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You're not getting what I'm telling you.... Trump wants to be able to arrest neighbors/co-workers based off conjecture/suspicion..... Suspicion has NOTHING to do with KNOWING if someone has commited a felony..
 
If I saw my neighbor unloading boxes from his van, and then the next week he commited a terrorist attack, I could get arrested and thrown in jail according to Mr Trump. Based off what knowledge? No knowledge. But the state could claim based off witnesses or cameras, that I should've considered it to be suspicious activity.
 
Gutterpump said:
If I saw my neighbor unloading boxes from his van, and then the next week he commited a terrorist attack, I could get arrested and thrown in jail according to Mr Trump. Based off what knowledge? No knowledge. But the state could claim based off witnesses or cameras, that I should've considered it to be suspicious activity.
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See you didn't even read your ****ty huffpo link thoroughly. He clearly states that people with knowledge should be prosecuted. The huffpo author made "the presumption" he was referring to the neighbors of the San Bernardino muslim terrorists. The quote from his speech is pretty clear about people with knowledge of the plan should be prosecuted.Invalid Link Removed
 
He clearly stated that people with knowledge of SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY should be arrested, he wants the laws expanded. WTF does that even mean?

What defines SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY? I live in Brooklyn, I see all sorts of weird $hit that seems normal from day to day.
 
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