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youngandfree said:
So you would have let some jackass hold the door and not let people out of the gay club you frequent, when there's 3 guys shooting the place up? The problem is every single one of those people that complied with one dude holding the door didn't have enough will to fight for their life. That has nothing to do with Murica. It has to do with people's unwillingness to protect themselves and fight, instead they said Ok let's huddle up in the corner and wait to die.

It's not about how many guns a person owns or anything related to that. You just have to be willing to fight for yourself when the **** hits the fan. It should be an instinct you're born with, but I guess people allow it to be taught out of their mindset.
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No not at all, I was just having fun saying Muricaaaaa. Contrary to popular belief in here, I take every chance I can to say it I've got so much patriotic gear at home between the gf and me, it's ridiculous.
 
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Can anyone explain this video? The guy who shared it is a major conspiracy guy(flat earth kinda stuff) but the video is odd

It's from the Orlando shooting
 
Gutterpump said:
Nah... As much as I DO like guns, I don't think assault rifles belong in our households.
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Assault rifles are automatic. Assault rifles are pretty well regulated, and aren't "in our households," and aren't what's being used in many shootings. The new term to terrify people is assault weapon. They look like scary assault rifles, but are semi-automatic, just like many hunting rifles. Take your average semi-automatic hunting rifle, swap out the wooden stock for a black AR-style stock with a pistol grip and now it's an assault weapon.
 
Still, not allowing assault weapons to be sold in stores still helps keep it out of people's hands who shouldn't have them. I believe this last shooter bought his from a store. It's not the easiest thing to buy from the black market. You'd have to have proper $$$$ and smarts to do it, meaning, part of an organization. At least keeping them out of the stores should keep them out of the hands of crazy people like this kid who shot up the club. It's just one step. Of course terrorists and such will get their weapons from other sources.
 
Gutterpump said:
In NY, you can't rent anything but a hand gun to shoot at ranges, but I have access to the NYPD shooting range, and can shoot anything I please, so I personally have no need for assault weapons. I certainly don't need an assault rifle to protect my home.

In other states, gun ranges are pretty much a free for all, you can shoot anything, almost anywhere. So I don't see the problem. Assault weapons are overkill for personal home defense.
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Shotguns are always a good option for home defense, but the recoil and/or pumping required can be a put-off for many people. In that case, pistol caliber carbines are a viable alternative. Being able to hold it steady with a stock is a big advantage over a pistol, as are the improved sights. Plus, unlike rifles (223, 7.62, etc) you don't run as much of a risk of over penetration, since there are quality hollow points (scary, I know) that will not go through your walls and your neighbors walls.
 
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F*KC YEAHHHHH!!!!! LOVE THAT $H!T!!!!!

One of my fav Kenny Powers clips.

MURRRRICCAAAAA!!!
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Shotguns are always a good option for home defense, but the recoil and/or pumping required can be a put-off for many people. In that case, pistol caliber carbines are a viable alternative. Being able to hold it steady with a stock is a big advantage over a pistol, as are the improved sights. Plus, unlike rifles (223, 7.62, etc) you don't run as much of a risk of over penetration, since there are quality hollow points (scary, I know) that will not go through your walls and your neighbors walls.
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Sawed off shotgun Two of them, even better. Not gonna miss
 
Matthandyo said:
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Can anyone explain this video? The guy who shared it is a major conspiracy guy(flat earth kinda stuff) but the video is odd

It's from the Orlando shooting
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I think that video is rather silly, its not like they were bringing them to the front step. Maybe they had them way back and when things calmed down they needed to bring them back the other way for some reason.
 
It looked like the emergency vehicles were coming from that direction. Wasnt there a hospital nearby? That'd explain the vehicles coming from that way.
 
Gutterpump said:
Still, not allowing assault weapons to be sold in stores still helps keep it out of people's hands who shouldn't have them. I believe this last shooter bought his from a store. It's not the easiest thing to buy from the black market. You'd have to have proper $$$$ and smarts to do it, meaning, part of an organization. At least keeping them out of the stores should keep them out of the hands of crazy people like this kid who shot up the club. It's just one step. Of course terrorists and such will get their weapons from other sources.
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It mostly keeps them out of the hands of people that should have them.
 
Gutterpump said:
Still, not allowing assault weapons to be sold in stores still helps keep it out of people's hands who shouldn't have them. I believe this last shooter bought his from a store. It's not the easiest thing to buy from the black market. You'd have to have proper $$$$ and smarts to do it, meaning, part of an organization. At least keeping them out of the stores should keep them out of the hands of crazy people like this kid who shot up the club. It's just one step. Of course terrorists and such will get their weapons from other sources.
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Ask the thugs in Chicago how easily they can get their illegal guns. The problem as always is that new laws don't stop criminals. There are statistics showing the Clinton assault weapons ban had very little effect on gun crimes.
 
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Someone just shared this on FB, interested in y'all's thoughts after reading it
 
BamBam0319 said:
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Someone just shared this on FB, interested in y'all's thoughts after reading it
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My vest in combat held 10-30rd magazines of 5.56. And if you're going to town with an M4/AR-15 (whatever he officially had) 30 rounds goes really fast. Even if he had two double stack pouches attached to his best front that's 20 magazines plus one in the weapon. Did they find a crap load of empty magazines laying around at the scene?
 
Socalmk6gti said:
My vest in combat held 10-30rd magazines of 5.56. And if you're going to town with an M4/AR-15 (whatever he officially had) 30 rounds goes really fast. Even if he had two double stack pouches attached to his best front that's 20 magazines plus one in the weapon. Did they find a crap load of empty magazines laying around at the scene?
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Not sure. So you agree that something's fishy and it seems like he may not have been the only one in the club gunning people down?
I know next to nothing about guns so I'm deferring to the more knowledgeable individuals about this.
 
BamBam0319 said:
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Someone just shared this on FB, interested in y'all's thoughts after reading it
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I trust my source who knows someone in there who say 3 gunman. By accounts could have been more, including 2 snipers on rooftops but this is seperate from my source.
 
Gutterpump said:
Maybe back in the 1800's that made sense. The government used to slaughter people and steal their weapons (mostly natives, even after signing treaties).
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We have militias today, and they do a terrific job protecting our borders unlike official Border Patrol where the White House gives them the stand down orders to let illegals flood over here.

There are militias across the country, Id feel the safest around them than walking in gun free zones such as the Bronx or Brooklyn late at night.

Balance of powers is key to our democracy and security.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Not sure. So you agree that something's fishy and it seems like he may not have been the only one in the club gunning people down?
I know next to nothing about guns so I'm deferring to the more knowledgeable individuals about this.
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All I'm saying is I had 16 weeks of basic training. Many days at a range training from people that used those weapons on a daily basis and served in Desert Storm in Iraq; so I had competent instructors. In the national guard we went to the range as often as possible. I have also spent time in my civilian life shooting handguns at local ranges. Then there was 9-10 months in Afghanistan and the 3 month pre-mobilization to prepare us(try) for deployment.

With all that, I am no pro with a rifle. I don't compete, I didn't go to classes to do combat reloads in under a blink of an eye. I am pretty quick but by no means a pro.

So now we have this kid.....did he practice reloading in his room at night? Go to ranges? And supposedly he didn't have the rifle for very long. Where'd he get all the military equipment capable of transporting that? Or the ammunition? If this was his FIRST fire fight, his adrenaline and rage would have been at their peak. And he handled everything with ease and didn't fumble? Didn't have issues reloading over and over to continue firing into a mass of people that didn't have a few seconds to clobber his ass???

One guy? Against a mob? With zero experience. I mean, it could happen. It probably did. But damn that's hard to believe.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
All I'm saying is I had 16 weeks of basic training. Many days at a range training from people that used those weapons on a daily basis and served in Desert Storm in Iraq; so I had competent instructors. In the national guard we went to the range as often as possible. I have also spent time in my civilian life shooting handguns at local ranges. Then there was 9-10 months in Afghanistan and the 3 month pre-mobilization to prepare us(try) for deployment.

With all that, I am no pro with a rifle. I don't compete, I didn't go to classes to do combat reloads in under a blink of an eye. I am pretty quick but by no means a pro.

So now we have this kid.....did he practice reloading in his room at night? Go to ranges? And supposedly he didn't have the rifle for very long. Where'd he get all the military equipment capable of transporting that? Or the ammunition? If this was his FIRST fire fight, his adrenaline and rage would have been at their peak. And he handled everything with ease and didn't fumble? Didn't have issues reloading over and over to continue firing into a mass of people that didn't have a few seconds to clobber his ass???

One guy? Against a mob? With zero experience. I mean, it could happen. It probably did. But damn that's hard to believe.
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His specialty was a high level security clearance job for a DHS contractor transporting illegal immigrants.

Mind blown.
 
ax1 said:
I think that video is rather silly, its not like they were bringing them to the front step. Maybe they had them way back and when things calmed down they needed to bring them back the other way for some reason.
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After reading a little more they apparently left though a back exit and were going to the emergency vehicles back at the club
 
Gutterpump said:
Who's, the shooter's?
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Its hard to tell what is going on. The person (my connects source) who was in there said the other two got away.

Personally, and this is my opinion but considering the main shooter has been a DHS contractor insider, and a regular at that gay bar that he may be a victim of the MK-Ultra program.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
Under FBI investigation. WTF!!!!
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Yes, I posted this before but the retired DHS high level person said he was investigating him at the mosque he was attending and Hitlery put a stop order on the investigation which if that didnt happened he believes this would have been prevented.
 
Mk-ultra program? Care to elaborate? Im unfamiliar.
 
jswain34 said:
Mk-ultra program? Care to elaborate? Im unfamiliar.
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MKUltra is a top secret (and illegal) program run by the CIA directed under Allen Welsh Dulles (head CIA directer under Eisenhower) in the 1950's (although development started prior) which experimented with humans and behavior modification experiments. Experiments are known to be implemented on at least thousands of people and included many deaths.

Drugs such as LCD, amphetamines, barbiturates among many others were used in the experiment along with hypnosis, torture and many other methods.

Senate started hearings on the illegal project in 1977 as seen below. First page is from 77, the other 2 are unclassified documents released during the hearings I believe.

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ax1 said:
MKUltra is a top secret (and illegal) program run by the CIA directed under Allen Welsh Dulles (head CIA directer under Eisenhower) in the 1950's (although development started prior) which experimented with humans and behavior modification experiments. Experiments are known to be implemented on at least thousands of people and included many deaths.

Drugs such as LCD, amphetamines, barbiturates among many others were used in the experiment along with hypnosis, torture and many other methods.

Senate started hearings on the illegal project in 1977 as seen below. First page is from 77, the other 2 are unclassified documents released during the hearings I believe.

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Wait, wut?

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Im pretty sure this guy is the biggest puss to ever fall out of a vagina. There's no way an AR15 bruised his shoulder if he had it against his shoulder to start with. An AR is easier to shoot, with drastically less recoil than shooting a 40 Cal handgun.

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If he thinks this is loud, he should shoot one with a 7.5" barrel. It's twice as loud.
 
**** ax1, you really dont help my trust issues with the government.
 
What does ISIL stand for? Is that the new name for ISIS?
 
BamBam0319 said:
What does ISIL stand for? Is that the new name for ISIS?
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Obama has been calling ISIS something else, which is ISIL since the very beginning after he created them. I mostly only hear him say ISIL. He also refuses to say the words radical islam but Im sure you knew that already.
 
ax1 said:
Obama has been calling ISIS something else, which is ISIL since the very beginning after he created them. I mostly only hear him say ISIL. He also refuses to say the words radical islam but Im sure you knew that already.
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Socalmk6gti said:
Yep. He doesn't feel labeling them matters. Really? Or are you Muslim and afraid of labeling yourself? What a joke Obama is
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Yeah I just watched the clip of him explaining why he doesn't say the words "radical Islam" and caught on to the trend of his saying ISIL and not ISIS. Anybody know what it stands for and why he doesn't call them ISIS like everyone else?
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ISIS = Islamic state of Iraq and Syria
ISIL = Islamic state of Iraq and the Levant
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yeah I just watched the clip of him explaining why he doesn't say the words "radical Islam" and caught on to the trend of his saying ISIL and not ISIS. Anybody know what it stands for and why he doesn't call them ISIS like everyone else?
Edit: looked it up myself lol
ISIS = Islamic state of Iraq and Syria
ISIL = Islamic state of Iraq and the Levant
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I Shyt In Labias

Ok that was really bad, couldnt think of anything else. Just promise me not to show this to anyone else on the forum.
 
BamBam0319 said:
Yeah I just watched the clip of him explaining why he doesn't say the words "radical Islam" and caught on to the trend of his saying ISIL and not ISIS. Anybody know what it stands for and why he doesn't call them ISIS like everyone else?
Edit: looked it up myself lol
ISIS = Islamic state of Iraq and Syria
ISIL = Islamic state of Iraq and the Levant
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The Levant is the area consisting of modern day Israel Syria, and I think part of Lebanon. To many scholars, using ISIL is a snub to Israel, by constantly referring to historical geography that doesnt include Israel's existence. Much like CNN likes to show maps of the Middle East that are factually inacurate that either don't represent Israel properly or not at all.
 
Socalmk6gti said:
Israel is protected by God in the Bible. We should forever remain allies with Israel.

Just my beliefs
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I disagree. We already have super old amendments that we need to follow, don't need an even older book to tells us what we should and shouldn't do as a country
 
Matthandyo said:
I disagree. We already have super old amendments that we need to follow, don't need an even older book to tells us what we should and shouldn't do as a country
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I respect people's beliefs, but if the Bible was created by people of that land wouldnt it be slightly biased to say "protect this place.?"

Really, Jesus would want all countries to be protected and all people protected. Jesus would want us to be allies with every country, and I think he would want to tear town borders and end division. I dont believe god or Jesus need a specific landing spot for the rapture or really need the place to be in peace. Its like saying God isnt powerful, it just doesnt make sense but this is just my opinion.
 
ax1 said:
I respect people's beliefs, but if the Bible was created by people of that land wouldnt it be slightly biased to say "protect this place.?"

Really, Jesus would want all countries to be protected and all people protected. Jesus would want us to be allies with every country, and I think he would want to tear town borders and end division. I dont believe god or Jesus need a specific landing spot for the rapture or really need the place to be in peace. Its like saying God isnt powerful, it just doesnt make sense but this is just my opinion.
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Considering the Bible covers much more Geography than Israel, I'd have to disagree. There were numerous groups of people that weren't considered God's chosen people. Any other country could have been chosen as God's holy land. But they werent. The rapture won't just land in Israel.
 
Gutterpump said:
I use it recreationally and am very successful (work off Wall St in the financial district, 6 fig salary). I have a very busy schedule and it helps me unwind at night at times, and reduces anxiety. I've been successfully doing this since I was a teenager. Even graduated from college with honors and was a heavy user then.

I'm very sorry to hear about this story though, but I as well know that pot is not the reason for it.

Edit: fwiw, I am almost 40yrs old now
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you probably get very good stuff, so since we live close, can we meet. its for educational purposes only; of course lol
 
ax1 said:
Obama has been calling ISIS something else, which is ISIL since the very beginning after he created them. I mostly only hear him say ISIL. He also refuses to say the words radical islam but Im sure you knew that already.
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along with other O supporters.

I love how he compared what Christians did back in the crusades - whomever is writing for him, really really really needs to have the facts checked before he gives one of his paused speeches. Which is getting old already
 
ax1 said:
I respect people's beliefs, but if the Bible was created by people of that land wouldnt it be slightly biased to say "protect this place.?"

Really, Jesus would want all countries to be protected and all people protected. Jesus would want us to be allies with every country, and I think he would want to tear town borders and end division. I dont believe god or Jesus need a specific landing spot for the rapture or really need the place to be in peace. Its like saying God isnt powerful, it just doesnt make sense but this is just my opinion.
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Bible was created by the word of God and written by man
 
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