HIT4ME
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Did he call you on his cellphone?
Nah, I just assume he has an IQ above 50.
Maybe you are right.
Donald Trump running for president
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Nah, I just assume he has an IQ above 50.
Maybe you are right.
Gutterpump
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Oh so it's purely conjecture. Well that's a solid argument 
Doesn't Dump want to start negotiating with him and open diplomatic talks?
Doesn't Dump want to start negotiating with him and open diplomatic talks?
Gutterpump
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Ooooook. Has nothing to do with Kim endorsing Trump, which he has, for the fact that Trump wants to open diplomatic ties with North Korea.
Aleksandar37
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Or he likes to cause trouble and saying that would cause drama...
ax1
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I dont understand whats so taboo with establishing diplomatic ties with DPRK. Yeah, they are evil but so is China but China has $$$ so evil is the new good.
Just pick up the phone Obama and call him, Dennis Rodman told you to do so a few years ago.
vidapreta
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Donald Trump might be the change we need. I mean are any of you actually better off than you were 8 years ago when Obama took office? I think not. If anything the majority of Americans are having a much more difficult time financially than they were 8 years. Thanks a lot for every thing you've done for this country President Obama!
Aleksandar37
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HIT4ME
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This is somewhat my point. It isn't like he doesn't know what Americans think of him. Endorsing who he actually WANTS in the position will hurt the candidate he wants and make him look like an active enemy to the person he DOESN'T want. This way, if the person he endorses wins he can act like he is on their side, and if his endorsement hurts that person, he wins because he wanted the other person anyway. It's win win.
Well, if Obama says he is going to have tea and cakes with ahmedinajad, everyone loves it.
The bottom line is, negotiating and reaching a peaceful agreement is always ideal. But at some point you have to realize it is time to get out the big stick.
In Korea's case, negotiations have never been able to take place because it's all been about maintaining an image. Trump may just not care and the other side will know it, so they may be willing to negotiate.
Like it or not, Trump has gravitas.
ax1
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I have no problem with Obama wanting to have tea and cakes with ahmedinajad. Handing them 100 million something of our tax dollars though is outright immoral.
Big stick good....sactions bad its an act of war. You can have a big stick without oppressing a sovereign nation. I would remove all sanctions and stop meddling with the affairs of other countries (Im starting to sound like a broken record, lol.)
ax1
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Yeah thats right....I think it comes from years of conditioning, people cant let it go and see reality that government runs a double standard and they really should talk with every nation and try to be friends and trade with them.
LiftWithDonuts
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I am absolutely better off now than I was 8 years ago, same goes with my parents and my siblings.
LiftWithDonuts
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By change are you referring to being a country that doesn't allow people of a certain religion to the country? Does that mean we'd be better off if the president would ask for a round up of illegal immigrants? Going house to house and searching just in case? You think we should lower the minimum wage? Get completely rid of welfare and lower taxes on the rich?
How has the Obama presidency negatively affected you?
ax1
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I was about to post like lots and lots of stuff, but damn I gotta go to bed soon, lol!
Ill just say Obama has only continued to rip apart and violate my rights just as previous presidents prior during my lifetime and expand on all of it, they can all go stick it.
He stabbed me bloody in the back when he flip flopped and lied about all his campaign promises after I voted for him in '08.
HIT4ME
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Healthcare?
ax1
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Mine went up.....same plan too. As a matter of fact the company I insure with is opting out of Obamacare to cut costs and pay whatever penalties....AND they are a direct healthcare provider themselves. I cant give more details than that sorry to confuse.
LiftWithDonuts
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Woody
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Maybe you should get obamacare
I have it. And Medicare. And Medicaid. And HUD. And food stamps. And welfare.
ax1
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Its like hard for me to think completely self centered when it comes to politics, Im thinking more of the position we are all in. Obama has subpoenaed more journalists than all the previous presidents combined using the WWI Espionage act (that was supposed to be temporary, he has allowed himself to legally arrest and detain any america and without due process or right to a lawyer. He has gone to war without congressional authority and made the middle east complete chaos with his interventionist policies. He is divider, he thinks in black and white to much publicly at least and promotes division.
Also, some more Obama supports the Federal Reserve wishing to grant it more powers (he said so, not sure if it was pulled off), the IRS, gun control, banker bailouts, military industrial complex/wars. These lead to high taxes not for myself but for all. Deflation of currency cost of everything goes up, minimum wage effects this as well. I can get into social programs which go against my will, but I think this is the least of our problems and I can compromise and make it better. He supports the USA and their molestations which that has effected me twice not including the naked body scanners. Major immigration issue is that the stand down order has been giving in to let them all flood in.
He supports the detention of Edward Snowden who is an American Hero, although Ill tell you all nothing he said is shocking and higher lever (like top level) NSA whistleblowers came out years prior so its weird why the media was all over this. He wont support the un-classification of the 28 pages about 9-11, he campaigned on total transparency but he is one of the most secretive in history....etc.
I can keep going on and on, but I would like to live in a country where my President keeps his sworn oath of office and when he violates it congress regardless of party impeaches him but a majority (Im not a total pessimist) are in on it. Even if you like and trust Obama, you may not like future administrations and he has laid out more stepping stones for total tyranny.
So, yeah my life is better than 8 years ago, but thats because of me. My money isnt worth as much, my taxes and insurance went up but my life goes by doing what I can to grow in the system Im forced into. I really dont let anything stop me from trying to make things better for myself and family no matter how hard it get. Our liberties and democracy however is worse now than it was 8 years ago.
Being in a position of comfort is the best chance and time to be fierceless in defending our freedoms and liberties.
Maybe you should get obamacare
And pay more money? Im not poor, but not a bad point its worth looking into (which I have) and to at least take advantage of the system.
Personally, I would remove all health care from insurance. Insurance isnt health care. Its just a service than measures cost vs. risk and nobody is forced to purchase it. Thats why its so expensive, government intervention and lobby which should be banned being involved with politics have made this a cash raking machine. Insurance should just be there as an option people pay into in case something bad happens. Get rid of co-pays, a visit should just be paid in cash without any involvement of the insurance company.
Government bureaucracy needs to be eliminated from health care to reduce costs. You go to your doctor and you pay him in cash. Abolish income tax and allow people including doctors to keep the fruits of their labor. People will have more cash in their pocket to pay for it to rather than being forced against their will to buy into a system.
Now...its to early in the morning, I have no energy to proof read all of the above, lol!
youngandfree
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My insurance went up, like everyone else. My wife had a part time job in an emergency room, that got cut to under 24 hours/week, in order to get around the employer mandate. Every new person that got hired in that title were classified as PRN, which is less hours than part time. If the company, which is HCA healthcare, doesn't have as many part time or full time employees, that less tax they have to pay. So she had to quit a job she loved, based on Obamacare.
HIT4ME
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Here is another one that you may say is not Obama's fault, but I disagree.
I used to be able to buy a half gallon of ice cream. Not anymore.
Almost immediately after Obama took office, there were all these signs of hidden inflation. Prices didn't go up, but products were smaller.
This coincides with the unemployment numbers that he has clearly manipulated. We have low unemployment, but a high number of jobless individuals and under employed individuals. But statistics are twisted si that isn't what we are told - but I can tell you that I have a LOT of people I know who used to make $200-300K that are now living paycheck to paycheck and losing their homes.
How about govt debt? He has increased debt at an astounding rate and done so without even coming up with a plan or budget. Either we have to pay for that with our tax dollars or eventually risk war because of this.
The irony is that he claimed Bush was increasing debt so much and all these wars were costing so much and we had to end wars. He is such a weak leader he hasn't been able to come up with a new direction - he has just done what he claims doesn't work on a larger scale.
But this is what you get when you vote for politicians and people who have never accomplished a thing in their lives out side of winning an election.
Our political mentality is, "Gee, if this isn't working, we will just solve it by doing MORE of the same thing."
Look at education. No one has made real change in our education system in 40 years. And yet during Obama's first run, in a debate vs. McCain, they said, "America currently spends more money on education and is falling behind. How do we fix this?"
Both candidates answered saying we don't spend enough on education. How is that even possible that they can answer like that? Gee, we spend more and get less than other countries...so in order to get more we will just blow even more money.
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Aleksandar37
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ax1
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You mean you want to opt out of insurance and pay the fine to the IRS?
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HIT4ME
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This is what I've done since Obamacare started. From the beginning it saved me like $1500-2000/year.
Socalmk6gti
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Yep, Obamacare, like Obama; a total scam!
Actually, who gets the fine for no insurance? Government? Health care? Where does that money go? It's messed up, I work full time, honorably discharged from Army; but I pay fines for not having mandatory insurance. And they say Obama is a great president? His Obamacare ALONE is the epitome of dictatorship. Pay up, or I'll take your money anyway.
ax1
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We have a problem, people cant afford health care. The solution, make it illegal not to have health care = problem solved.
LOL!
Now people who were poor and cant afford insurance but get it anyways since they have to against their freewill enforced by a new 15,000 armed branch of the IRS now have less money in their pocket and now cant afford to pay the co-pays and now are really screwed. What a scam.
HIT4ME
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This REALLY pisses me off. If you were a politician and served four years in a cushy chair behind a desk, you would have great healthcare. But defend the country with your life and you are on your own.
And of course, politicians weren't about to give up their own healthcare when they pushed Obamacare through.
Well said.
I know a guy who's father had a heart attack in the 1950's. They called the doctor for help. His efforts to help...tell him to lay down.
That's all could do. Just 60 years ago. Now, if we have a heart attack we should get the most complex surgeries with machines that minimize the scars left behind, and follow up care. And it should be free.
Yeah, we live in reality.
ax1
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Yeah, Obamacare is so bad even Congress exempted themselves from the law. This is atrocious.
ax1
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It cant be free though, this stuff cost money, we need the best minds to be doctors and they need incentives to do the job and more so.
But really, before managed care with Nixon in the '70s and government intervening with the medical field you can for the most part go to the doctor and if you didnt have money they had an oath and they still would take care of you. You pay what you can. There were far more voluntary clinics too which all have been put out due to big government.
And the oath you ask? Its now optional.
Answer to government mess, more government. The philosophy of government pure trash, lol.
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HIT4ME
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Exactly. People live in a fantasy though and think, I have a right to make everyone keep me alive. Yes, it is a nice thought and I don't disagree that it is sad that people who can't afford the best healthcare may die just because they don't make enough money, but there really isn't a realistic way around it.
Healthcare is an example where capitalism and trickle-down economics would probably actually work if it were given time and allowed to. But the government wants to control it...because if they control your health, they have you by the balls.
HIT4ME
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Yeah, of course. Because when you are paying for it, you should get less. When the government is paying for it, they want all they can get .
puccah8808
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What are you talking about? I paid $200 a month for Obamacare, that was only $100 less than my previous insurance. I kept the same doctors and co-pay was actually a bit higher. Trust me, it wasn't free.
HIT4ME
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Who knows?
Socalmk6gti
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That's cheap as hell. Mine was double that and when I added my wife it went up $500 more a month. Crazy!
puccah8808
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It was a lot cheaper to get Obamacare than Cobra. It would have cost me almost $600. I got it as a peace of mind until I found a good job with great benefits.
Gutterpump
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Social healthcare works completely fine in Canada (a capitalist country) and several other countries around the world. Controlled by government even.
It's new here, and it was extremely rushed through congress. It needs time imo, but definitely possible. Both parties need to get on board and support it for it to work right.
Gutterpump
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I should mention that a true social healthcare system means no copays either. This is how it works in other countries that have it. No premiums, no copays, nothing to sign up for, it's just a right of every citizen to have.
HIT4ME
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This is ALWAYS the argument people use. But how many new types of surgeries or cutting edge drugs do you have coming from Canada?
And are you about to fly to Canada for your next open heart surgery?
Gutterpump
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I'm not making any arguements, but am simply stating it works fine in other capitalist countries. I then explained what true social healthcare actually is, and it sure isn't Obamacare.
Gutterpump
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Canada is actually one of the leading countries in medical research, and science in general, due to its amazing educational system. But this is another topic of discussion.
youngandfree
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Did you keep it after you got a new job?