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How can 10 million dollars support 500,000 people?

You can't just grow crops anywhere you please. Soil, temperature, climate etc are all important factors. Those lands are not cheap
Annual cost of welfare is over a trillion dollars and people still live in shyt. And you think we cant build communities where people can prosper? LMFAO, all barking from people, never solutions. Just bully and steal, bully and steal, bully and steal. Hands thrown.
 
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Ah yes, video footage representing nothing more than baseless claims 🤷‍♂️
That isn't evidence :)

You do realise that Trumps tax plan wanted to increase taxes from this year onward, right?
So? It's OK because Trump did it too? Most of the conservatives in here have come out strongly against ANY taxes. The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump put it in a tax bill and called it what it is. Biden is calling it, "Increased minimum wage". Just like Obama called it, "Healthcare". Gee, thank good these guys are saving us all by mandating what someone should pay for and how much they should pay for it.

Trump did a lot of things that I like - he could have done much better on the taxes. But, as you like to say, this is pure deflection because Biden is obviously a corrupt, lying, scumbag and there is no defense but to talk about someone else's flaws.

No kidding. Did you read the post I quoted?

Because everyone got mad at Biden for wanting to raise taxes for people earning over 400k, but noone got mad at Trump for planning to raise taxes to above what they were before he got in office lol.

Where's the sense in that?
Oh yeah, and, "It's only for people who are 1-percenters" - that's how taxes always get spread to the poor. They vote for the rich to start paying their share, they do for a bit, the gov't expands spending, the rich figure out how to use loopholes, income falls, the gov't expands taxes to the middle class, etc.

Isn't people helping others socialism?

Who are these 'many people' who are willing to throw money at less fortunate people?
Capitalism is people helping others too. In capitalism, you just help each other instead of doing it for no equity. Through this prism alone, I would much rather be a capitalist than a socialist.


Believe me, cost of living on an island with a population of 5 million is not cheap. Petrol prices are $2 per litre here for basic 91 unleaded (be around $8 per gallon).

Those costs grow independently of minimum wage regardless. A minimum wage sets up a minimum that employers should pay those who work for them. They can pay more if they choose, nothing prevents that, it simply means that people are paid enough to get by while working those jobs.

The cost of living worldwide has gone up dramatically over the last 20 years and the mandated minimum wage has not increased with it.

In a lot of peoples minds, it is far more reasonable to justify a CEO making 20 million per year being given a 1 million pay rise every year than giving 100 employees a $10,000 dollar per year more salary which simply doesn't make sense. Noone denies the CEO doesn't work hard, but trickle down economics simply doesn't work. The top half get richer while the bottom half continue to scrape through while working full time.

Some people are born into poverty, that alone means that they often do not have access to the same opportunities for education and jobs or homes. That's the poverty cycle. It is much harder to claw yourself out of poverty than people realise because you dont have the safety nets a lot of other people do.

Imagine giving those who need to start at the very bottom a further kick in the teeth because you refuse to want them to be independent of relying on the govt. We should be encouraging them to get into employment which gives them enough to pay bills and save some coin, rather than saying "if we pay them too much, they'll stop relying on the govt for support".

There will always be poverty, but those who go out and work should be allowed economic freedom to participate as a functioning member of society, not kept down by everyone else
Geez, that's some expensive gas. I agree with the fact that some people have a harder road than others - I am aware of that. I also agree we need to try to help improve the situation where we can. I just disagree with the "how we do that" part.

There is no way $30 would be the living wage.

It is $22.10 here.

It is calculated at around $17 for the US.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "living wage" - can someone survive on $17/hour ($34,000/year) - sure. And that person can work 60 hour workweeks maybe and make $51,000/year. Still not a high standard of living but yeah, it would be better for a lot of people. Unfortunately, that money has to come from production or the money is worthless.
 
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If you are an adult and you are relying on McDonald’s to provide...you should probably re-examine your life choices. I am still trying to find a single establishment here in OkC that doesn’t have a now hiring sign up.
Not everyone has access to the same opportunities, and that's the point.

The answer can't be just "make better choices" when your options are to either starve or work at McDonald's. That is the better choice.
 
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You model after it. Id bet there are more than a handful of Amish willing to share their wisdom.

We have programs here in NY called "Habitat for Humanity" where people volunteer to help poor communities rebuild. There are common sense solutions to our problems and I have more optimism about American people if their life and liberties are protected to contribute more to society.
That's very optimistic given Capitalism doesn't reward giving stuff away.

You would be relying on people being good, but the majority simply aren't this selfless.

I make a good wage despite paying tax and I'm not giving any of it to the poor. I donate to charity, but not of that type.

People can still help now but choose not to. Why would I expect any different?
 
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Annual cost of welfare is over a trillion dollars and people still live in shyt. And you think we cant build communities where people can prosper? LMFAO, all barking from people, never solutions. Just bully and steal, bully and steal, bully and steal. Hands thrown.
Welfare is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It isn't designed to pull people out of poverty, only ensure they get enough support to literally not die.
 
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That isn't evidence :)



So? It's OK because Trump did it too? Most of the conservatives in here have come out strongly against ANY taxes. The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump put it in a tax bill and called it what it is. Biden is calling it, "Increased minimum wage". Just like Obama called it, "Healthcare". Gee, thank good these guys are saving us all by mandating what someone should pay for and how much they should pay for it.

Trump did a lot of things that I like - he could have done much better on the taxes. But, as you like to say, this is pure deflection because Biden is obviously a corrupt, lying, scumbag and there is no defense but to talk about someone else's flaws.



Oh yeah, and, "It's only for people who are 1-percenters" - that's how taxes always get spread to the poor. They vote for the rich to start paying their share, they do for a bit, the gov't expands spending, the rich figure out how to use loopholes, income falls, the gov't expands taxes to the middle class, etc.



Capitalism is people helping others too. In capitalism, you just help each other instead of doing it for no equity. Through this prism alone, I would much rather be a capitalist than a socialist.




Geez, that's some expensive gas. I agree with the fact that some people have a harder road than others - I am aware of that. I also agree we need to try to help improve the situation where we can. I just disagree with the "how we do that" part.



I guess it depends on what you mean by "living wage" - can someone survive on $17/hour ($34,000/year) - sure. And that person can work 60 hour workweeks maybe and make $51,000/year. Still not a high standard of living but yeah, it would be better for a lot of people. Unfortunately, that money has to come from production or the money is worthless.
So people are mad at Biden for wanting to tax the 1%ers who would pass those taxes on to staff, but happy at Trump for taxing them more directly?

Or am I missing something?
 
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Sometimes I wonder how cavemen survived before govts existed. What exactly and who determines what poverty means? Do humans truly need money at all to survive? If we are talking survival then we technically don’t need a damn thing but a will to survive. The rest is just luxury pure and simple.

People DONT need electronic doodads and internet. They DONT need vehicles and fancy clothes. These are all just wants. Why the hell should I be on the hook for other peoples luxuries with my hard earned money? Survival of the fittest is nature. We are going against nature.
 
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I guess maybe if I wasn’t literally risking my life to make my money for my family I wouldn’t be so against propping up dead beat welfare fatties. I have yet to find anyone I would be willing to take away from my family to help out though. I think my money is better suited to provide for my own.
 
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Welfare is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. It isn't designed to pull people out of poverty, only ensure they get enough support to literally not die.
Its just creating a system of generational welfare families and communities and is used to pull people out of their chairs to go vote on their dependency rather than freedom.

The people doing the stealing and redistrubiting dont give a flying crap about if these people die or not.
 
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That's very optimistic given Capitalism doesn't reward giving stuff away.

You would be relying on people being good, but the majority simply aren't this selfless.

I make a good wage despite paying tax and I'm not giving any of it to the poor. I donate to charity, but not of that type.

People can still help now but choose not to. Why would I expect any different?
We dont live in a Capatalist system under a Constitutional Republic here in the United States, that is the problem and restoring that will lead us to the solution.

Again, we have a tremendous amount of charity people either fiscally or physically, if we take the neck chains off more people would be in a prosperous position to help, and there would be less to help.

Welfare keeps people down till death.
 
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Not everyone has access to the same opportunities, and that's the point.

The answer can't be just "make better choices" when your options are to either starve or work at McDonald's. That is the better choice.
And nobody owes anybody anything. People have a right to their life and liberty, not to take it from someone else.
 
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Sometimes I wonder how cavemen survived before govts existed. What exactly and who determines what poverty means? Do humans truly need money at all to survive? If we are talking survival then we technically don’t need a damn thing but a will to survive. The rest is just luxury pure and simple.

People DONT need electronic doodads and internet. They DONT need vehicles and fancy clothes. These are all just wants. Why the hell should I be on the hook for other peoples luxuries with my hard earned money? Survival of the fittest is nature. We are going against nature.
Casemen would have simply used another form of currency, whether it be trade or something else.

Try survive without money, and you'll quickly see how hard that is. In our societies, money is how trades are made. I am exchanging my work for your goods in a mutually acceptable form of currency we both agree on.

You can't effectively trade a deer hide for veges or fruit food at the supermarket. The type of survival needed then vs now is vastly different. You can't even remotely compare the 2.
 
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And nobody owes anybody anything. People have a right to their life and liberty, not to take it from someone else.
But yet you are literally arguing that people would voluntarily give money to the less fortunate.

So you are making my point for me.
 
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But yet you are literally arguing that people would voluntarily give money to the less fortunate.

So you are making my point for me.
Yes, that is a fact, they do.
 
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So people are mad at Biden for wanting to tax the 1%ers who would pass those taxes on to staff, but happy at Trump for taxing them more directly?

Or am I missing something?
Groper Joe works for the top 1% of the 1%ers.
 
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Yes, that is a fact, they do.
Not in enough numbers to support the population they don't.

Imagine the ads on TV, "for just $250 a week you can pay rent for another American family"

Lol
 
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Not in enough numbers to support the population they don't.

Imagine the ads on TV, "for just $250 a week you can pay rent for another American family"

Lol
That doesnt give you a right to bully people with armed agents and steal it giving government the power to destroy.

Nobody is stopping you from sponsor the next Amish community.
 
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But yet you are literally arguing that people would voluntarily give money to the less fortunate.

So you are making my point for me.
You are literally arguing that government actually cares about people and you trust them to help the less fortunate. That itself really a ridiculous concept if you actually lived here and experienced yourself inside of poor communities rather than getting whatever ideas silver-spoon fed elitists from the BBC and NPR give you.
 
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Most of the GCC countries have more foreign residents than citizens. They run on a sponsorship system and the citizens rarely work with cradle to the grace welfare system and a system that allows them to profit from foreign businesses.
too bad their aren't benefits like that for those born in the US :unsure:
 
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That doesnt give you a right to bully people with armed agents and steal it giving government the power to destroy.

Nobody is stopping you from sponsor the next Amish community.
the amish are the most self sustaining people in America.....much respect to those people.
 
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the amish are the most self sustaining people in America.....much respect to those people.
Yeah exactly, I wasnt trolling Jigzz at all, Im coming up with honest and realistic solutions if people have it that bad and are willing to go to a path of self/community dependency and improving their quality of living.
 
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You can't just join an Amish community or easily make your own like you are implying here lol.

It's not like every poor person can just say "well I guess ill be Amish now".
yes, they can...anyone can become amish-i had to look it up.
 
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has anyone heard what is going on in italy...i've heard some really strange rumors?
 
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Casemen would have simply used another form of currency, whether it be trade or something else.

Try survive without money, and you'll quickly see how hard that is. In our societies, money is how trades are made. I am exchanging my work for your goods in a mutually acceptable form of currency we both agree on.

You can't effectively trade a deer hide for veges or fruit food at the supermarket. The type of survival needed then vs now is vastly different. You can't even remotely compare the 2.
If you drill it down to the core to survive you don’t even need bartering. If I have a deer and the means to hunt it then I have everything I need to live. Will it be fun? Nope. Is it possible? Of course. Trade is to provide the fluff in life.
 
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But yet you are literally arguing that people would voluntarily give money to the less fortunate.

So you are making my point for me.
Who cares if they don’t? It’s not the less fortunate peoples money to demand.
 
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Good stuff going on in here....I agree that we are very disconnected from reality and Jiggzz has a point. Most of us wouldn't even know what to do if we had no money. But can a human survive with no help from any other humans? Of course. Most of us cannot even contemplate a world without a job or a car or bills though. But really, you need very little to live ...it just wouldn't be as easy as we are used to. Look at homeless people.

But it will be hard to find land that you can claim as your own, thats for sure. Just existing could become difficult.

Anyway, on another note, as all the rhetoric dies down about the capitol riots, we have this:


Apparently evidence is needed in court and the prosecuters thought it would be better to omit the argument.
 
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So people are mad at Biden for wanting to tax the 1%ers who would pass those taxes on to staff, but happy at Trump for taxing them more directly?

Or am I missing something?
People are probably mad at both Trump and Biden for raising taxes - you can dislike both of them. We aren't on teams.

My point was just that at least Trump is more honest about it.

Although, I am not even really sure Trump would have raised taxes next year. Until you mentioned it I didn't pay much attention to his plan. Yes, it expires and that will raise taxes. He was also planning on more tax cuts according to his campaign.

Regardless, Biden's plans to tax wealth at up to 67% is exactly what we don't need in this country. He WILL increase taxes on the middle class. His plan will be one of the largest increases in 80 years.

Trump was certainly the lesser of two evils by a LONG shot.

Again, Biden is indefensible so we have to talk about Trump.
 
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Good stuff going on in here....I agree that we are very disconnected from reality and Jiggzz has a point. Most of us wouldn't even know what to do if we had no money. But can a human survive with no help from any other humans? Of course. Most of us cannot even contemplate a world without a job or a car or bills though. But really, you need very little to live ...it just wouldn't be as easy as we are used to. Look at homeless people.

But it will be hard to find land that you can claim as your own, thats for sure. Just existing could become difficult.

Anyway, on another note, as all the rhetoric dies down about the capitol riots, we have this:


Apparently evidence is needed in court and the prosecuters thought it would be better to omit the argument.
lol...city people are going to be f*cked when shyt hits the fan, us rural people are much better at surviving off the land....can you imagine some college kid field dressing a deer, lol---if internet goes down he won't be able to youtube instructions :D

the russians and chinese have been hacking into all our systems even military...what if they take us off the grid-it's not as improbable as some people would like to think---just something to think about-have a nice day!!!!:cool:
 
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i guess italy is having what is called a mass-mafia trial....maybe this is where that guy got the rumor of possible arrest of pope???

there have been accusations of vaticans association with mafia for generations it seems....the old cold war novels i read back in the day always talked about the catholic church's alliance with hitler-they were just novels of course...
 
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Give me my damn money back, Lindsey Graham!
 
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yes, they can...anyone can become amish-i had to look it up.
No you can't. Honestly go and try, I guarantee you couldn't do it.

They might be open to new people, but they still have to vote you in, so you'd have to demonstrate their values which i doubt any of us here are prepared to do.

Besides, using the Amish as an argument against a minimum wage is literally retarded. Most of us live in the real world where currency buys everything.

Let's not pretend singing kumbuyah is the solution to that issue.
 
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Lets keep an eye out for declassified documents coming out early next week.
 
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Re-post for those that missed it, this dude is truly over the top, my kinda hero! Claims Special Forces stole Nancy Plasticosi's laptop! LMFAO!!!

General Thomas McInerney At The White House - Special Forces Have Pelosi's Laptop - 01 07 2021
 
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"WWIII has started," I love this dude!

 
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***InbeforeAmishlaughingtheirfuqinassoffatyou***
Ask them if they can travel overseas, or buy stuff off the internet ;)
 
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"WWIII has started," I love this dude!

Same dude who thought US special forces invaded Germany because of election fraud?

Dude is losing it
 
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Ask them if they can travel overseas, or buy stuff off the internet ;)
Thats the problem, the minds of people today are poisoned with materialism. There are solutions to a good path to life but people rather die depressed, broke and vote in criminals to change their diapers.
 
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**** Cuomo. Anybody that buys his shitty ass book on leadership lessons learned during COVID is a moron.
And **** Cuomo for all the bullshit bans on armor. I’m half tempted to drive up there and sit right across the border from NY and wear my armor and ar and glock and wave a banner that reads “**** Cuomo.”
 
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And **** Cuomo for all the bullshit bans on armor. I’m half tempted to drive up there and sit right across the border from NY and wear my armor and ar and glock and wave a banner that reads “**** Cuomo.”
Wait, wut? Armour is banned in NY????
 
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And **** Cuomo for all the bullshit bans on armor. I’m half tempted to drive up there and sit right across the border from NY and wear my armor and ar and glock and wave a banner that reads “**** Cuomo.”
I did just find out they just introduced a bill A. 353 in the New York State that makes it a felony for civilians to own a simple bullet proof vest.

If the bill is passed, New Yorker's must hand over their bullet proof vests within 15 days or they are criminals. A felons. If you purchase one in the future, its first offense is a misdemeanor, additional offense is a class E felony facing 4 years prison.

Good luck in Albany though, I want nothing to do with that crap, LOL
 
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Re-post for those that missed it, this dude is truly over the top, my kinda hero! Claims Special Forces stole Nancy Plasticosi's laptop! LMFAO!!!

General Thomas McInerney At The White House - Special Forces Have Pelosi's Laptop - 01 07 2021
Again, someone needs to go on the army website and look up what an 18X does and get back to this guy lol.
 
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Again, someone needs to go on the army website and look up what an 18X does and get back to this guy lol.
Oh, Im not claiming he has credibility, I just think its awesome to have a old senior in uniform in the middle of the whitehouse lecturing people about new over the top unheard of tinfoil conspiracy theories. Its really entertaining.
 

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