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Obobo is a piece of crap, and killing that Iranian general didnt accomplish anything either. Dunno why everyone was cheering about that when they never even heard of him and his shoes have been replaced within seconds.
I heard about him. And his death was cause for celebration.
 
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it is very naive to compare iran to vietnam, imo....nam was a proxy war against spread of communism in place of war with china/russia, at least this is my take on it much like korean war.

iran was our ally before overthrow of the shah--iran then took over out embassy and held American citizens hostage. this was a act of war, and things have been hostile between our countries since.
The Shah who was illegally put in by the CIA during the 1953 coup as a puppet government for the oil companies.

Then people wonder why Iranians and other countries hate us so much.

What about Iran funding BLM and staging a coup of Dump? And then we overthrow the invaders, how evil that would be of us, RROOFFFLLLLLLLLLLL
 
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Obobo is a piece of crap, and killing that Iranian general didnt accomplish anything either. Dunno why everyone was cheering about that when they never even heard of him and his shoes have been replaced within seconds.
apperently you haven't followed that story...soleimani was legendary, he was probably the 2nd most powerful person in iran.
he was in iraq overseeing a attack on americans when we got him 1st. in my opinion killing him saved many american and probably iranian lives-he was know as a butcher to dissidents in iran.
 
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The Shah who was illegally put in by the CIA during the 1953 coup as a puppet government for the oil companies.

Then people wonder why Iranians and other countries hate us so much.

What about Iran funding BLM and staging a coup of Dump? And then we overthrow the invaders, how evil that would be of us, RROOFFFLLLLLLLLLLL
take a look at this...'25 photos show what iran looked like before the 1979 revolution turned the nation into an islamic republic'

@ax1 you need to educate yourself...look at those pics and read the article.
 
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apperently you haven't followed that story...soleimani was legendary, he was probably the 2nd most powerful person in iran.
he was in iraq overseeing a attack on americans when we got him 1st. in my opinion killing him saved many american and probably iranian lives-he was know as a butcher to dissidents in iran.
Well, there is still a 2nd most powerful person in Iran today and nothing has changed.

But how dare Iran run operations on their illegally occupied neigboring countries where they have seen the deaths of over a million people and displaced 10s of millions while threating war, war and war over and over again against Iran?

These are the things our Founding Fathers all warned us about when it comes to foreign entanglements. Im with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams and the rest of the people that created our incredible Republic.

Warning Against the Search for "Monsters to Destroy," 1821

John Adams

And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....

[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
 
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take a look at this...'25 photos show what iran looked like before the 1979 revolution turned the nation into an islamic republic'

@ax1 you need to educate yourself...look at those pics and read the article.
They had elected officials before we overthrew their institutions and propped up a ruthless dictator who killed many Iranians....you end up with extremism. Its not a surprise it ended up this way.

Maybe you can look at 25 photos of what iran looked like before 1953?
 
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this is truth, i would swear on a bible...when i was at great lakes for boot camp in jan of 77 the US navy was also training the iranian navy there. if we would have supported the shah the shape of the middle east might be very, very different...worse move carter ever made, imo.
 
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They had elected officials before we overthrew their institutions and propped up a ruthless dictator who killed many Iranians....you end up with extremism. Its not a surprise it ended up this way.

Maybe you can look at 25 photos of what iran looked like before 1953?
tell the truth, you didn't read the article or look at pictures-did you?
 
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take a look at this...'25 photos show what iran looked like before the 1979 revolution turned the nation into an islamic republic'

@ax1 you need to educate yourself...look at those pics and read the article.
CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup

Documents Provide New Details on Mosaddeq Overthrow and Its Aftermath
National Security Archive Calls for Release of Remaining Classified Record

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 435

Posted – August 19, 2013
Edited by Malcolm Byrne

Washington, D.C., August 19, 2013
– Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.

The explicit reference to the CIA's role appears in a copy of an internal history, The Battle for Iran, dating from the mid-1970s. The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation. Those references appear in the latest release. Additional CIA materials posted today include working files from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup. They provide new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions before and after the operation.




This map shows the disposition of bands of "ruffians," paid to demonstrate by coup organizers, early on August 19, 1953. The bands gathered in the bazaar and other sections of southern Tehran, then moved north through the capital. Thug leaders' names appear at left, along with the estimated size of their groups, and their targets. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

The 1953 coup remains a topic of global interest because so much about it is still under intense debate. Even fundamental questions — who hatched the plot, who ultimately carried it out, who supported it inside Iran, and how did it succeed — are in dispute.[1]

The issue is more than academic. Political partisans on all sides, including the Iranian government, regularly invoke the coup to argue whether Iran or foreign powers are primarily responsible for the country's historical trajectory, whether the United States can be trusted to respect Iran's sovereignty, or whether Washington needs to apologize for its prior interference before better relations can occur.


Pro-Shah police, military units and undercover agents became engaged in the coup starting mid-morning August 19. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

Also, the public release of these materials is noteworthy because CIA documents about 1953 are rare. First of all, agency officials have stated that most of the records on the coup were either lost or destroyed in the early 1960s, allegedly because the record-holders' "safes were too full."[2]

Regarding public access to any remaining files (reportedly about one cubic foot of material), the intelligence community's standard procedure for decades has been to assert a blanket denial. This is in spite of commitments made two decades ago by three separate CIA directors. Robert M. Gates, R. James Woolsey, and John M. Deutch each vowed to open up agency historical files on a number of Cold War-era covert operations, including Iran, as a sign of the CIA's purported new policy of openness after the collapse of the USSR in 1991.[3]



Tanks played a critical role on August 19, with pro-Shah forces gaining control of some 24 of them from the military during the course of the day. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

A clear sign that their pledge would not be honored in practice came after the National Security Archive filed a lawsuit in 1999 for a well-known internal CIA narrative about the coup. One of the operation's planners, Donald N. Wilber, prepared the account less than a year later. The CIA agreed to release just a single sentence out of the 200-page report.

Despite the appearance of countless published accounts about the operation over the years - including Kermit Roosevelt's own detailed memoir, and the subsequent leak to The New York Times of the 200-page CIA narrative history[4] — intelligence agencies typically refused to budge. They have insisted on making a distinction between publicly available information on U.S. activities from non-government sources and official acknowledgement of those activities, even several decades after the fact.

Full article: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
 
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CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup

Documents Provide New Details on Mosaddeq Overthrow and Its Aftermath
National Security Archive Calls for Release of Remaining Classified Record
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 435

Posted – August 19, 2013
Edited by Malcolm Byrne

Washington, D.C., August 19, 2013
– Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.

The explicit reference to the CIA's role appears in a copy of an internal history, The Battle for Iran, dating from the mid-1970s. The agency released a heavily excised version of the account in 1981 in response to an ACLU lawsuit, but it blacked out all references to TPAJAX, the code name for the U.S.-led operation. Those references appear in the latest release. Additional CIA materials posted today include working files from Kermit Roosevelt, the senior CIA officer on the ground in Iran during the coup. They provide new specifics as well as insights into the intelligence agency's actions before and after the operation.




This map shows the disposition of bands of "ruffians," paid to demonstrate by coup organizers, early on August 19, 1953. The bands gathered in the bazaar and other sections of southern Tehran, then moved north through the capital. Thug leaders' names appear at left, along with the estimated size of their groups, and their targets. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

The 1953 coup remains a topic of global interest because so much about it is still under intense debate. Even fundamental questions — who hatched the plot, who ultimately carried it out, who supported it inside Iran, and how did it succeed — are in dispute.[1]

The issue is more than academic. Political partisans on all sides, including the Iranian government, regularly invoke the coup to argue whether Iran or foreign powers are primarily responsible for the country's historical trajectory, whether the United States can be trusted to respect Iran's sovereignty, or whether Washington needs to apologize for its prior interference before better relations can occur.


Pro-Shah police, military units and undercover agents became engaged in the coup starting mid-morning August 19. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

Also, the public release of these materials is noteworthy because CIA documents about 1953 are rare. First of all, agency officials have stated that most of the records on the coup were either lost or destroyed in the early 1960s, allegedly because the record-holders' "safes were too full."[2]

Regarding public access to any remaining files (reportedly about one cubic foot of material), the intelligence community's standard procedure for decades has been to assert a blanket denial. This is in spite of commitments made two decades ago by three separate CIA directors. Robert M. Gates, R. James Woolsey, and John M. Deutch each vowed to open up agency historical files on a number of Cold War-era covert operations, including Iran, as a sign of the CIA's purported new policy of openness after the collapse of the USSR in 1991.[3]



Tanks played a critical role on August 19, with pro-Shah forces gaining control of some 24 of them from the military during the course of the day. (Courtesy of Ali Rahnema, author of the forthcoming Thugs, Turn-coats, Soldiers, Spooks: Anatomy of Overthrowing Mosaddeq in Four Days.)

A clear sign that their pledge would not be honored in practice came after the National Security Archive filed a lawsuit in 1999 for a well-known internal CIA narrative about the coup. One of the operation's planners, Donald N. Wilber, prepared the account less than a year later. The CIA agreed to release just a single sentence out of the 200-page report.

Despite the appearance of countless published accounts about the operation over the years - including Kermit Roosevelt's own detailed memoir, and the subsequent leak to The New York Times of the 200-page CIA narrative history[4] — intelligence agencies typically refused to budge. They have insisted on making a distinction between publicly available information on U.S. activities from non-government sources and official acknowledgement of those activities, even several decades after the fact.

Full article: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/
the US also plotted to overthrow castro....i wonder what cubans have to say about the failure?
 
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the US also plotted to overthrow castro....i wonder what cubans have to say about the failure?
Unfortunatly just like Iran but worse, decades of sanctions and embargo's have crippled their economy and prosperity.
 
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Unfortunatly just like Iran but worse, decades of sanctions and embargo's have crippled their economy and prosperity.
lol...we sided with the south in korea. which would you rather live south or north. how about iraq, remember how happy they were to tear down those statutes of saddam. you posted pictures of women in iran, they are one of the worst offenders of womens rights...even vietnam has become more capitalist than communist.
 
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So you think our Founding Fathers had the dumbest ideas?
not them-you.

i could find anything out of context to back up my agenda.

tell me i am wrong-if it weren't for war we wouldn't be a country-eh?
 
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lol...we sided with the south in korea. which would you rather live south or north. how about iraq, remember how happy they were to tear down those statutes of saddam. you posted pictures of women in iran, they are one of the worst offenders of womens rights...even vietnam has become more capitalist than communist.
Well why not just take out the CCP then, after WWII we saw the Jewish encampments and we said "NEVER AGAIN" and now with China they have 2 million Uyghers in concentration camps and your voting for the guy who told Xi its a great thing your doing, just sign the deal!

Look, there area lot of world problems, this country is 26 trillion broke and we cant afford to be the world police any longer.

The greatest threat to our Government is OUR Government, not North Korea, not Iran, not the Cubans, and not China.
 
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they are one of the worst offenders of womens rights...even vietnam has become more capitalist than communist.
If you cared about women that much you wouldnt be voting for Dump because there are no worse offenders of women's rights than Saudi Arabia and Dump loves supporting Saudi Arabia.

This is a double standard here.
 
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Well why not just take out the CCP then, after WWII we saw the Jewish encampments and we said "NEVER AGAIN" and now with China they have 2 million Uyghers in concentration camps and your voting for the guy who told Xi its a great thing your doing, just sign the deal!

Look, there area lot of world problems, this country is 26 trillion broke and we cant afford to be the world police any longer.

The greatest threat to our Government is OUR Government, not North Korea, not Iran, not the Cubans, and not China.
well you are at least half right. the greatest threat to out government is democrats.

i've heard there are at least a dozen countries trying to interfere in our government. the world is a small place you can't say what happens in another part of the world doesn't affect us.
 
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not them-you.

i could find anything out of context to back up my agenda.

tell me i am wrong-if it weren't for war we wouldn't be a country-eh?
It is them because thats what they warned us about.

The Founding Fathers had a non-interventionist foreign policy when they created the US.
 
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If you cared about women that much you wouldnt be voting for Dump because there are no worse offenders of women's rights than Saudi Arabia and Dump loves supporting Saudi Arabia.

This is a double standard here.
you haven't been keeping up...trump administration has been pushing for reforms of womens rights in saudi arabia, the same can't be said for iran....obama/biden are buddies with iran.

if i had to choose i would take my granddaughters to saudi arabia before iran all day every day---fortunately i don't have to choose, women have more rights than men here if you factor in affirmative action/quotas, lol. great for my granddaughters, not so great for my grandson.
 
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you haven't been keeping up...trump administration has been pushing for reforms of womens rights in saudi arabia, the same can't be said for iran....obama/biden are buddies with iran.

if i had to choose i would take my granddaughters to saudi arabia before iran all day every day---fortunately i don't have to choose, women have more rights than men here if you factor in affirmative action/quotas, lol. great for my granddaughters, not so great for my grandson.
Of course you would be more welcome in SA, Dump is propping up a mass murdering dictatorship with weapons, technology intelligence, even though they are a pure 100% terrorist organization.

Why not sell Iran weapons, tech, intell, and buy their oil, open up their economy and maybe then you can push for womens rights?

This is absolute and complete hypocrisy, the Saudi's are pure evil, one of the worst in the planet, far worse than Iran.....and all the proof is in Yemen, people talk about Iran wanting to wipe out the Isrealis, well there is real genocide going on right now and thats in Yemen, and the Sauidis are responsible with that with the backing of Dump and Iran has nothing to do with this mass murder.
 
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It is them because thats what they warned us about.

The Founding Fathers had a non-interventionist foreign policy when they created the US.
al gore had not invented internet yet back then......the US military was established in 1775, the navy was created by congress in 1778.
 
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al gore had not invented internet yet back then......the US military was established in 1775, the navy was created by congress in 1778.
The reason this country is so screwed up right now is because we have incrementally ripped the US Constitution up since its institution only to be significantly expedited torn over the past 50 years by both Demicans and Republicrats including Dump, not because of the internet and the fact that Ayatollah Khomeini has his own Twitter account and the Cubans make great cigars.
 
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Of course you would be more welcome in SA, Dump is propping up a mass murdering dictatorship with weapons, technology intelligence, even though they are a pure 100% terrorist organization.

Why not sell Iran weapons, tech, intell, and buy their oil, open up their economy and maybe then you can push for womens rights?

This is absolute and complete hypocrisy, the Saudi's are pure evil, one of the worst in the planet, far worse than Iran.....and all the proof is in Yemen, people talk about Iran wanting to wipe out the Isrealis, well there is real genocide going on right now and thats in Yemen, and the Sauidis are responsible with that with the backing of Dump and Iran has nothing to do with this mass murder.
yemen-'the conflict has been called a proxy war as a saudi led coalition battles iran led 'rebels'. this is a age old tribal war between shiite muslims and sunni muslims.
 
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yemen-'the conflict has been called a proxy war as a saudi led coalition battles iran led 'rebels'. this is a age old tribal war between shiite muslims and sunni muslims.
Oh and how that is so wonderful.
 
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The reason this country is so screwed up right now is because we have incrementally ripped the US Constitution up since its institution only to be significantly expedited torn over the past 50 years by both Demicans and Republicrats including Dump, not because of the internet and the fact that Ayatollah Khomeini has his own Twitter account and the Cubans make great cigars.
i don't smoke but i've heard cubans make great cigars...kennedy ordered dozens of boxes before ordering embargo.
 
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it's not wonderful, it's a fact...sunni and shiites hate each other.
Good, so lets pick as side and we can prevent one genocide by creating and propping up another, after another, after another, after..................and when they go out of our control we and prop up the other side, balance things out just a tad, ya know....its all in the name of protecting our freedoms and liberty, Im sure you understand.

Meanwhile the government is raping your earnings to pay for it all by putting a gun to your head and the Military Industrial Complex forgets to thank you for stuffing their bank accounts.
 
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i don't smoke but i've heard cubans make great cigars...kennedy ordered dozens of boxes before ordering embargo.
I put it this way, years ago when I used to smoke I had a friend who bought some over from Canada who gave a few to another friend. I of course wanted nothing to do with it, cough...lol

Great stuff!

Saw them in China many times but these are post smoking years.
 
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if i had to choose i would take my granddaughters to saudi arabia before iran all day every day---fortunately i don't have to choose, women have more rights than men here if you factor in affirmative action/quotas, lol. great for my granddaughters, not so great for my grandson.
Just dont forget to remind her not to interact with other men or show to much of her beauty in Saudi Arabia, or she will get locked up.

Seriosly, the atrocities of women in Saudi vs Iran are in no way even close. They still shave vagina lips on some Saudi women so they cant even enjoy sex. Saudi's are pure horrific, not great in Iran but Saudis are the worst of the worst.
 
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Saudi Women would beg to live in Iran if they could, this is a fact.
 
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Good, so lets pick as side and we can prevent one genocide by creating and propping up another, after another, after another, after..................and when they go out of our control we and prop up the other side, balance things out just a tad, ya know....its all in the name of protecting our freedoms and liberty, Im sure you understand.

Meanwhile the government is raping your earnings to pay for it all by putting a gun to your head and the Military Industrial Complex forgets to thank you for stuffing their bank accounts.
tell that to china, russia, iran, n.korea, to name a few.
 
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Saudi Women would beg to live in Iran if they could, this is a fact.
when was the last time you were in these countries, i am sure you are telling us 1st hand info-eh?

since you have spent time in china how much misinformation we get about chinese life has been proven false from your 1st hand experience?
 
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Saudi Women would beg to live in Iran if they could, this is a fact.
next time you are in saudi arabia take a poll!!!
 
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when was the last time you were in these countries, i am sure you are telling us 1st hand info-eh?

since you have spent time in china how much misinformation we get about chinese life has been proven false from your 1st hand experience?
I’m willing to go with you. As long as we both get full diplomatic immunity :)
 
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I’m willing to go with you. As long as we both get full diplomatic immunity :)
i think as Americans we would be very safe in saudi arabia...we have most favored status with them, i think the last thing they would want to see is mistreatment of Americans....it was that way in the PI when marcos was in charge.
 
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Look my bro, with all the problems we have today we still have the best damn country on the planet!!!!!!!
thanks, very glad to hear you say that....i was beginning to wonder about you :love:

thought maybe you were going to join blm and start going to anti-america 'protests', lol.
 
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thanks, very glad to hear you say that....i was beginning to wonder about you :love:

thought maybe you were going to join blm and start going to anti-america 'protests', lol.
ROFL Fuq that, Im going out fighting before joining them! I stand for MLK, not BLM!
 
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ROFL Fuq that, Im going out fighting before joining them! I stand for MLK, not BLM!
peacefully protesting for police reform is a far cry from shouting death to all cops...blm has squandered the momentum they had after the minnesota incident.
 
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'biden bungles dem ticket, refers to 'harris-biden administration in campaign speech'

i don't think he bungled anything, i think this was a rare moment of truthfulness from ole joe.
 
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'kamala harris 'accidentally' touts plans under a 'harris administration' during virtual roundtable'

lol. accident my arse!!!


joe better hire a food taster, one critic advised the former vp.
 
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@ax1 'roy jones jr. on mike tyson exhibition match: i made a mistake going in with him'


apparently jones has seen mike's training videos, iron mike looks pretty damned impressive.
 
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'trump campaign launching coalition to galvanize jewish voters'


omg-i am not a jew and can't speak for them, but i don't understand how a jewish person could vote for biden...biden supports blm who support farrakhan---farrakhan has said on several occasions that he wants death to all whites and jews.
 
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i think as Americans we would be very safe in saudi arabia...we have most favored status with them, i think the last thing they would want to see is mistreatment of Americans....it was that way in the PI when marcos was in charge.
Lol. Saudi is a resort. Hit me up we will rent a Lamborghini and tear it up out there. There is no danger there. Been there a few times.
 
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Lol. Saudi is a resort. Hit me up we will rent a Lamborghini and tear it up out there. There is no danger there. Been there a few times.
i would have bet money on this!!!

probably a 1000x safer there than many American cities!!!
 
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i would have bet money on this!!!

probably a 1000x safer there than many American cities!!!
Without a doubt. All of the GCC countries are safe. Those places are unreal with the buildings, beaches, exotic cars, maids and butler services. It’s crazy. To even compare Saudi to Iran is a joke.
 

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