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Donald Trump running for president

ax1 said:
The younger generation is dumber and far more naive as a whole.
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It doesn't help that the boomer generation is who put us in this situation to begin with.

Who is dumber from that perspective?

The current generation, or the generation that made them by not caring what happened to their children?

Boomers can't get off that easy. They'll probably still get Social Security.
 
jswain34 said:
Dumber, i disagree. More naive - i agree.
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Thats fair....I was part of that group once too, then voting for Obama gave me the experience I needed to move forward and not make the same mistake with politics.

Im still naive I got a long way to go.
 
Misfit28 said:
It doesn't help that the boomer generation is who put us in this situation to begin with.

Who is dumber from that perspective?

The current generation, or the generation that made them by not caring what happened to their children?

Boomers can't get off that easy. They'll probably still get Social Security.
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Did the boomer get us Obama the past 8 years? That was the kids. But I think you make a point as to change my mind, the average voter in all groups are naive :)

People should have voted for Gayry.
 
I do have to say as long as the internet is free and open, the trend Ive seen over the past 8 years Ive really seen alot of people change all around as they can access real (well I dont know what else word to use, lol) news such as Wikileaks and other alternative media outlets. No longer is the picture tube the CIA's top brainwashing tool, we have something to counter that.
 
Misfit28 said:
I saw that too.

This Trump thing is the dying throes of the boomer generation IMO.
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Most early Gen X are basically boomers. Exposed to the same values. Have to deal with neo-boomers for at least 20 more years. so much for dying throes. Seriously you really 41 or 21?
 
UCSMiami said:
Most early Gen X are basically boomers. Exposed to the same values. Have to deal with neo-boomers for at least 20 more years. so much for dying throes. Seriously you really 41 or 21?
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Exposed to the same values? Values depend on more than when you were born lol... Your parents, location, religion kind of have direct influence on that. I can name a lot more. You seriously a horoscope believer?
 
Gutterpump said:
They would need to be professionals to get a work visa. Graphic designer, developer, Doctor, lawyer, nurse, etc
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Hopefully they'll go there illegally or start marrying Canadians lol.

jswain34 said:
You cant expect much else. Millenials overwhelmingly voted for hillary. I dont remember where i saw it but there was a us map where only millenials voted and it was overwhelmingly blue. Ill see if i can find it again.
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I thought they were all going to stay feeling the bern but after finding out Hillary rigged it so Bernie failed I guess they went to Hillary's side lol.
 
Berniepants just released his statement just about an hour ago. Seriously, Dump was alot closer to Berniepants than Hitlery was. WTF was he thinking???

BURLINGTON, Vt., Nov. 9 – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement Wednesday after Donald Trump was elected president of the United States:

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.

“To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him
 
Gutterpump said:
Exposed to the same values? Values depend on more than when you were born lol... Your parents, location, religion kind of have direct influence on that. I can name a lot more. You seriously a horoscope believer?
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Same could be said about Boomers or Millenials but I thought you and others here were astute enough to know what I meant. Obviously I was mistaken with some of you. It is tiresome having to s-p-e-l-l out everything for some folk.
 
UCSMiami said:
Same could be said about Boomers or Millenials but I thought you and others here were astute enough to know what I meant. Obviously I was mistaken with some of you. It is tiresome having to s-p-e-l-l out everything for some folk.
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I guess I can't think straight through all these liberal tears of mine.

But honestly, what values are you speaking of? 1950s values of hate and prejudice, vs 1970s values of love and respect?
 
Gutterpump said:
But honestly, what values are you speaking of? 1950s values of hate and prejudice, vs 1970s values of love and respect?
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where did you experience either of these values other than text books or internet searches.

I was a teenager in the 70's and you have misrepresented that decade.
 
You should catch a train and head to the Trump Tower. Some folks you might have common views with have gathered:

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Lots of upset people on my university campus today, but a similar (although somewhat less vocal) amount of people who were happy/relieved with the result.

I heard one guy telling another guy "man, anyone who voted third party should have just stayed home. If everyone who voted third party voted for Hillary, she would have won!" I couldn't help but think that his statement, while true, was just incredibly stupid, obvious, and meaningless. First, because it makes the nonsensical assumption that everyone who voted third party would have otherwise voted for Hillary and not Trump. I could have just as easily said "if everyone in America who didn't vote voted for Gary Johnson, he would have won." Again, it's true, but it's pretty meaningless IMO. But I wasn't going to say anything to him about that, because I'd probably be called racist.
 
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Quick, everyone sign the moveon.org petition to abolish the Electoral College. And you guys say Trump voters are the uneducated ones.
 
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These are highlights from the comments on a posting of a Slate article reminding people that Trump didn't get the most votes.
 
youngandfree said:
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Quick, everyone sign the moveon.org petition to abolish the Electoral College. And you guys say Trump voters are the uneducated ones.
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college kid in Chicago tells black news reporter that his vote was worth 1/3rd and that Hillary needs to sue the US government because she won the election because she had more votes. These are the educated liberal whites that seem to know how our country should be run. I don't look for this stuff it just screams out at us.
 
David Dunn said:
college kid in Chicago tells black news reporter that his vote was worth 1/3rd and that Hillary needs to sue the US government because she won the election because she had more votes. These are the educated liberal whites that seem to know how our country should be run. I don't look for this stuff it just screams out at us.
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No, that's ONE educated college white. You get mad when people call you a racist or group all Trump voters together (which was wrong of me), but you're categorizing people too.

I'm so fuçking tired of educational attainment being seen as a negative.
 
Misfit28 said:
No, that's ONE educated college white. You get mad when people call you a racist or group all Trump voters together (which was wrong of me), but you're categorizing people too.

I'm so fuçking tired of educational attainment being seen as a negative.
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He was part of s large group of the same. He was one who spoke to the reporter.

Honestly I don't get mad. It solidifies for me that you and other open minded people are guilty of catagorization aka hypocricy.

I never said it was a negative but it sure isn't producing the open minded empathetic inclusive other person perspective that it is proported to result in. Having been categorized for the last 18 months by the same (I suppose you think the woman asked to be raped - yup, real ****ing stupid shut like that) I'm also tired of s lot of **** I see and hear. That is all.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Lots of upset people on my university campus today, but a similar (although somewhat less vocal) amount of people who were happy/relieved with the result.

I heard one guy telling another guy "man, anyone who voted third party should have just stayed home. If everyone who voted third party voted for Hillary, she would have won!" I couldn't help but think that his statement, while true, was just incredibly stupid, obvious, and meaningless. First, because it makes the nonsensical assumption that everyone who voted third party would have otherwise voted for Hillary and not Trump. I could have just as easily said "if everyone in America who didn't vote voted for Gary Johnson, he would have won." Again, it's true, but it's pretty meaningless IMO. But I wasn't going to say anything to him about that, because I'd probably be called racist.
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Ill never understand people. I get you dont like Dump, fine I can understand that but most of the time their solutions are to support a war mongering genocidal psychopathic terrorist. Its the most retarded solution. I dont like Stalin everybody vote for Mao!!!! ROFL!!!
 
Misfit28 said:
No, that's ONE educated college white. You get mad when people call you a racist or group all Trump voters together (which was wrong of me), but you're categorizing people too.

I'm so fuçking tired of educational attainment being seen as a negative.
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Set an example then because alot of people with high educational attainments you also refer to as sorely angry white (HI BEN CARSON!) uneducated racist sexist bible clinging voters just because they are supporting Dump.

You have already set the precedent here when it comes to categorizing.

I know you admit you were wrong but still....I dont think that left you yet.
 
ax1 said:
Set an example then because alot of people with high educational attainments you also refer to as sorely angry white (HI BEN CARSON!) uneducated racist sexist bible clinging voters just because they are supporting Dump.

You have already set the precedent here when it comes to categorizing.

I know you admit you were wrong but still....I dont think that left you yet.
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I admit I was wrong, and there's a "still" added? **** this thread.
 
Is this the example of peaceful passing of power that the Liberals were professing that needs to take place? Every single thing that they were claiming of the conservatives there actually perpetrating. I guess when you believe you're right and you're winning and that you are the values of this country it's easy to say it but it's not so easy to do it when you find out you're wrong
 
Misfit28 said:
I admit I was wrong, and there's a "still" added? **** this thread.
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I can forgive you, its just appears to still be fresh on peoples minds here.

Why do you think 50 million people voted for Dump now? Just curious since you changed your stance on the reasoning.
 
ax1 said:
I can forgive you, its just appears to still be fresh on peoples minds here.

Why do you think 50 million people voted for Dump now? Just curious since you changed your stance on the reasoning.
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Because they wanted a change from the status quo. I'll still say they are naive, though, as he is the same old thing in different clothing.
 
Misfit28 said:
Because they wanted a change from the status quo. I'll still say they are naive, though, as he is the same old thing in different clothing.
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I can say that too... naive but maybe Im wrong and I hope that that Im the naive one at the end of the day but he still isnt my type of policy maker if you go by everything thats on paper. I think there was a big fear factor there too with Hitlery becoming president.
 
Misfit28 said:
Because they wanted a change from the status quo. I'll still say they are naive, though, as he is the same old thing in different clothing.
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You think Bernipants would have beat Dump? I think that was very possible, much more so than Hitlery. He was that change from the status quo too. I think Berniepants and Dump should have ran together to be honest. Not a Pence fan here, less fan of him than Dump although in some ways Pence has that real Presidential look out of all of them lol.
 
I think it's crazy that people think socialist Bernie is an outsider. HE'S a lifer in Congress, and all the freebies he was promising would have gone no where because the Congress wI'll still be controlled by Republicans.
 
youngandfree said:
I think it's crazy that people think socialist Bernie is an outsider. HE'S a lifer in Congress, and all the freebies he was promising would have gone no where because the Congress wI'll still be controlled by Republicans.
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He had some striking things about him when he was in the Senate, in particular is support for the Audit the Fed Bill.

But I cant defend him too much.

Dump being an outsider is debatable too though.
 
ax1 said:
He had some striking things about him when he was in Congress, in particular is support for the Audit the Fed Bill.

But I cant defend him too much.

Dump being an outsider is debatable too though.
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At least Bernie was consistent over the last 30 years.
 
You know guys, also a insider isnt always an insider. Not all insiders are the worst people on the planet. Some people dont like what they see and want to destroy it from the inside out. I have to acknowledge that, but the big mistake with these people are their support for the same infrastructure. Dump is all doing it within the establishment infrastructure so we will see how this rolls out.

Nobody really knows what everybody is thinking, with Dump and less so with Bernipants I want to think its possible they are different regardless of what policies they support.

Lets go Gayry Johnson 2020!!!!!
 
ax1 said:
You know guys, also a insider isnt always an insider. Not all insiders are the worst people on the planet. Some people dont like what they see and want to destroy it from the inside out. I have to acknowledge that, but the big mistake with these people are their support for the same infrastructure.

Nobody really knows what everybody is thinking, with Dump and less so with Bernipants I want to think its possible they are different regardless of what policies they support.

Lets go Gayry Johnson 2020!!!!!
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Agreed, except for the last sentence. That guy is seriously lacking.
 
Misfit28 said:
At least Bernie was consistent over the last 30 years.
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Yeah same thing with Ron Paul too...I watch video's of him back in the 70's and '80 and its like Im watching him now on live TV. I gotta start digging old Bernie stuff and see how he was like back then during the roaring 20's.
 
Misfit28 said:
Agreed, except for the last sentence. That guy is seriously lacking.
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Its really a joke.....I want to see someone that actually has charisma and lacks that creepy aura about him. More importantly, I want someone who is far more a true supporter of freedoms and liberties than Gayry and less establishment.
 
youngandfree said:
I think it's crazy that people think socialist Bernie is an outsider. HE'S a lifer in Congress, and all the freebies he was promising would have gone no where because the Congress wI'll still be controlled by Republicans.
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There is alot about Bernie that makes him more like Dump than most of the people in government which is why I thought he may be a good match to run with Dump or at least maybe get a job under his administration from here.

For example these big issues that I feel are important from wiki that are Dumpish too and are a part of Dump's 100 day plan:

Sanders voted against and has spoken for years against NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China, saying that they have resulted in American corporations moving abroad. He also strongly opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which he says was "written by corporate America and the pharmaceutical industry and Wall Street."[201][202]
 
youngandfree said:
I think it's crazy that people think socialist Bernie is an outsider. HE'S a lifer in Congress, and all the freebies he was promising would have gone no where because the Congress wI'll still be controlled by Republicans.
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Instead, let's give corporations freebies. Yay!
 
Gutterpump said:
I guess I can't think straight through all these liberal tears of mine.

But honestly, what values are you speaking of? 1950s values of hate and prejudice, vs 1970s values of love and respect?
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I was raised by WW2 gen(Adults in their 40s,50s in the 1970s) but never experienced the so-called Hate and Prejudice.

Since Boomers in their 20s took to the streets to protest Vietnam I suppose they rejected the alleged hate and prejudice which is more appropriate to earlier generations who were in power in the 1950s. I presume you mean the Civil Rights Campaign, anti-Red campaigns,etc. of the 1950s and early-mid 1960s.
 
David Dunn said:
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The wall could be rhetoric or a euphemism using means to discontinue incentives to remain. Certainly the ability to send money can be easily checked. I notice pro-deporters constantly reference Eisenhower's Administration Operation Wetback as an example of successful mass deportation.

I do not think a physical continuous wall or barrier is needed. More efficient to target other measures.
 
UCSMiami said:
The wall could be rhetoric or a euphemism using means to discontinue incentives to remain. Certainly the ability to send money can be easily checked. I notice pro-deporters constantly reference Eisenhower's Administration Operation Wetback as an example of successful mass deportation.

I do not think a physical continuous wall or barrier is needed. More efficient to target other measures.
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Agreed.
 
UCSMiami said:
The wall could be rhetoric to mean using means to discontinue incentives to remain. Certainly the ability to send money can be easily checked. I notice pro-deporters constantly reference Eisenhower's Administration Operation Wetback as an example of successful mass deportation.

I do not think a physical continuous wall or barrier is needed. More efficient to target other measures.
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There is more than just a wall.

Our nations bridges and highways are in bad shape. We're very behind the times when it comes to private and mass transportation across our country.

I'd like to see "bullet train" travel traversing our country one day.
 
David Dunn said:
There is more than just a wall.

Our nations bridges and highways are in bad shape. We're very behind the times when it comes to private and mass transportation across our country.

I'd like to see "billet train" travel traversing our country one day.
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Different topic although infrastructure is the one area that government investment does create the domestic job stream needed to employ more people. Although in CA last year or before a Chinese company was actually low bid for a major bridge and seaport project. Of course, with COMPLAN underwriting a project they can under bid for project compared to US firms.

There is also the case here in Miami where the proposed building of a Casino would result in temporarily granting worker visas to chinese laborers.(project was still-born) Similar occurred recently in the Bahamas with another resort project where Chinese laborers were actually brought in.
 
Gutterpump said:
I was talking about hate and prejudice from the 50s ;) "back of the bus" ring a bell? Remember "those" values?
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Sure hence my Civil Rights comment.

I honestly did not see prejudice until much later in life. We were able to discuss Roots in school without it being a hate or guilt on white people fest one would have now.

Guess my family did good in raising. The irony is there is no pejorative for blacks in my native tongue. At least none I was exposed to or am still aware of. Hehehe mom would alternatively call folks fascists or communists when angry at them. That was my exposure.

The type of discussions we have here and go on in the media and other venues are a luxury for folks who have to focus working for a living. That is my takeaway comparing then to now. My family were workers and hustling to get ahead. I am lucky that I have the time to engage in these discussions rather than work at the furious pace they did. Creates a different value system. M, who is 84, says all of th current gen are lazy-me included. Sometimes I think life was better for them as they could focus on something concrete whereas we are just shooting the bull because we have no power. Now going back to my high paying paper shuffling job.....
 
UCSMiami said:
The wall could be rhetoric or a euphemism using means to discontinue incentives to remain. Certainly the ability to send money can be easily checked. I notice pro-deporters constantly reference Eisenhower's Administration Operation Wetback as an example of successful mass deportation.

I do not think a physical continuous wall or barrier is needed. More efficient to target other measures.
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I'm against the wall....can be used to keep us in.
 
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