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youngandfree said:
I believe Florida law prohibits concealed carry in any establishment that serves alcohol.
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Florida law doesn't prohibit someone who has been investigated by the FBI twice as a terrorist from buying an automatic weapon
 
Matthandyo said:
Florida law doesn't prohibit someone who has been investigated by the FBI twice as a terrorist from buying an automatic weapon
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And it shouldn't as it opens the doors for guilty until proven innocent when it's supposed to be the other way around. Due process is key to protect all of us no matter what.

Look at the mess the no fly list was.
 
I just heard about that.

From bbc's coverage of the events:

"Officials have named Omar Mateen as the killer. Mateen was interviewed in 2013 and 2014 by the FBI over potential terror links but the agency said both investigations were closed."

Fuggin unbelievable to me that someone investigated by the FBI TWICE within the last 3 years can buy a weapon, especially an AR. I mean Jesus Christ thats what im talking about. We dont need MORE gun laws, just dont be ****ing stupid and sell to people with terrorist connections or severe mental illness (i say severe because people with anxiety, ocd, etc). It seems like common ****in sense.
 
ax1 said:
And it shouldn't as it opens the doors for guilty until proven innocent when it's supposed to be the other way around. Due process is key to protect all of us no matter what.

Look at the mess the no fly list was.
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Wow, you're supporting legally arming suspected terrorist here in the states? That's low and very un-American.
 
jswain34 said:
I just heard about that.

From bbc's coverage of the events:

"Officials have named Omar Mateen as the killer. Mateen was interviewed in 2013 and 2014 by the FBI over potential terror links but the agency said both investigations were closed."

Fuggin unbelievable to me that someone investigated by the FBI TWICE within the last 3 years can buy a weapon, especially an AR. I mean Jesus Christ thats what im talking about. We dont need MORE gun laws, just dont be ****ing stupid and sell to people with terrorist connections or severe mental illness (i say severe because people with anxiety, ocd, etc). It seems like common ****in sense.
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They let the dead Muslim Boston bomber back in the country after getting red flags numerous times.
 
youngandfree said:
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It was a preprogrammed or scheduled tweet that was set up last thurs. To claim he intentionally posted it as a response to gay people being murdered is ludicrous.
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So he post it because the scheduling of the tweet is that important? **** that and **** that guy.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Nothing in that article mentions an automatic weapon? An AR-15 is not inherently automatic...
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Then let's say it was a semi automatic. Still 100% legal for someone who is being investigated for the 2nd time for associations to Isis and has been investigated for terroristic threats at his work place.


Why would you be in support of arming terrorist?
 
Matthandyo said:
Then let's say it was a semi automatic. Still 100% legal for someone who is being investigated for the 2nd time for associations to Isis and has been investigated for terroristic threats at his work place.


Why would you be in support of arming terrorist?
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I'm just saying that people should get their facts straight before they go on a crusade to ban something that's already banned...

I constantly hear people online saying how it's unacceptable that people can just buy fully-automatic weapons so easily. They can't. Or that you can order a gun online and have it sent to your house. You can't. If you order a firearm online, it is sent to a FFL dealer, where you have to pass a background check to pick it up.

Are there flaws in the system that could be addressed? Yeah, of course, but let's get our facts straight and focus on the actual issues.
 
Matthandyo said:
Then let's say it was a semi automatic. Still 100% legal for someone who is being investigated for the 2nd time for associations to Isis and has been investigated for terroristic threats at his work place.


Why would you be in support of arming terrorist?
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It's not a supposition on what kind of weapon it is. You need to take your gripe about terrorists not being looked at to Obama and gang. His ATF knowingly and illegally let weapons get sold and sent to Mexico , which ended up killing americans, particularly Border Agent Brian Terry. He's had 7.5 years to have his ATF and associated agencies be able to cross reference NCIS inquiries. Again, his administration knowingly allowed the dead Muslim Boston Bomber back into the country after getting numerous warnings and red flags about him.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I'm just saying that people should get their facts straight before they go on a crusade to ban something that's already banned...

I constantly hear people online saying how it's unacceptable that people can just buy fully-automatic weapons so easily. They can't. Or that you can order a gun online and have it sent to your house. You can't. If you order a firearm online, it is sent to a FFL dealer, where you have to pass a background check to pick it up.

Are there flaws in the system that could be addressed? Yeah, of course, but let's get our facts straight and focus on the actual issues.
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Actual issue? Kinda like someone who the FBI has great suspicion was a terrorist being creeped out by seeing two dudes kiss goes and buying a semi automatic gun legally then proceeds to commit the deadliest mass shooting ever committed in US history?

It's common ****ing sense to not sell firearms at all to terrorist, how can anyone be for that???


Also, you've got to be joking about the online sales. I have coworkers who every payday, buy a gun on Facebook through meeting strangers and buying from them.
 
youngandfree said:
I can't help your anti Christian bigotry clouds your judgement on this.

There is no way you can draw that conclusion.
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I will never defend an extremist of a religion who quotes what they say is "gods word" to defend murder.
 
Matthandyo said:
Actual issue? Kinda like someone who the FBI has great suspicion was a terrorist being creeped out by seeing two dudes kiss goes and buying a semi automatic gun legally then proceeds to commit the deadliest mass shooting ever committed in US history?

It's common ****ing sense to not sell firearms at all to terrorist, how can anyone be for that???


Also, you've got to be joking about the online sales. I have coworkers who every payday, buy a gun on Facebook through meeting strangers and buying from them.
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That is not what I meant by buying a gun online. That's arranging online to buy a gun in person. There are lots of people who think you can order a gun online and have it sent to your house like it's Amazon.

And yes, potential terrorists getting guns is an actual issue. Outlawing automatic weapons, or making them harder to obtain legally, is not. Glad we agree...
 
Matthandyo said:
Actual issue? Kinda like someone who the FBI has great suspicion was a terrorist being creeped out by seeing two dudes kiss goes and buying a semi automatic gun legally then proceeds to commit the deadliest mass shooting ever committed in US history?

It's common ****ing sense to not sell firearms at all to terrorist, how can anyone be for that???


Also, you've got to be joking about the online sales. I have coworkers who every payday, buy a gun on Facebook through meeting strangers and buying from them.
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Which isn't buying a gun online. It's a legal face to face transaction that does have limits and is legal in many states. It is illegal to sell a gun face to face to an individeal you that isn't legally able to own one. It's also illegal to sell a firearm to someone that doesn't reside in same state as you. Which is the law broken by the Katie Couric producers who bought a few weapons face to face in Arizona for their anti gun hit piece.
 
youngandfree said:
Which isn't buying a gun online. It's a legal face to face transaction that does have limits and is legal in many states. It is illegal to sell a gun face to face to an individeal you that isn't legally able to own one. It's also illegal to sell a firearm to someone that doesn't reside in same state as you. Which is the law broken by the Katie Couric producers who bought a few weapons face to face in Arizona for their anti gun hit piece.
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So if I buy a chair on Craigslist and meet the person and exchange goods and money, I didn't use the Internet as a gateway to buy the chair?
 
Gutterpump said:
This isn't trolling. If you support the use of nuclear weapons against an innocent populace then you're sick in the head. The f¥ck is wrong with all of you? Become worse than the enemy in order to defeat them? Y'all are fuvked. If I was ever friendly with any of you who believe in this type of logic and evil, then I take that all back. Done with this thread. Glad I got to meet a few good people in here though, but the rest of you dickheads can go circle jerk each other into oblivion.
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Your thinking is why America isnt great anymore. Its like the balls just fell off . TRUMP WILL FIX IT ALL.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That is not what I meant by buying a gun online. That's arranging online to buy a gun in person. There are lots of people who think you can order a gun online and have it sent to your house like it's Amazon.

And yes, potential terrorists getting guns is an actual issue. Outlawing automatic weapons, or making them harder to obtain legally, is not. Glad we agree...
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Something has to be done, something as simple as if you're a suspected terrorist you can't buy a firearm would do.
 
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I guess I'll be the dick to point out he's a registered democrat.

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That pledged his allegiance to ISIS.
 
Matthandyo said:
Something has to be done, something as simple as if you're a suspected terrorist you can't buy a firearm would do.
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Assuming that there is a check in the system to ensure that this "suspected terrorist" label can't be perverted into something broader, just as preventing "mentally ill" people from owning guns shouldn't be extended to people with depression, etc, then yes, that is a good idea.
 
Matthandyo said:
In terms of buying an assault weapon? The obvious, if the FBI has legitimate reason to have suspicion that you might be a terrorist, sorry, no firearms for you.
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In such cases, should the individuals in question not have a right to a trial to defend themselves if they so choose

Also, what constitutes an "assault weapon?" Is if purely cosmetic features like a pistol grip or rail system? There are plenty of semi-automatic 223 rifles that, besides looking less scary, are functionally the same as an AR-15; they look like hunting rifles though. Or are you talking any semi-automatic? Are pump-action shotguns ok? Etc...
 
Matthandyo said:
In terms of buying an assault weapon? The obvious, if the FBI has legitimate reason to have suspicion that you might be a terrorist, sorry, no firearms for you.
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Again, take that up with Obama. His administration has ordered the whitewashing of records identifying people linked to muslim terrorists.
 
youngandfree said:
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Again, take that up with Obama. His administration has ordered the whitewashing of records identifying people linked to muslim terrorists.
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You can keep trying to blame Obama, I'm going to blame the homophobe with the gun.



Edit: I'll add, if I were to blame Obama for something it would be that he hasn't made it federal law that someone on a terrorist list can't but firearms.
 
Matthandyo said:
Wow, you're supporting legally arming suspected terrorist here in the states? That's low and very un-American.
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It's unamerican not to support due process, if you allow government to overstep their constitutional oath we all lose.

Terrorists we take care of with old fashioned police work and we the people. Don't worry not like I think people can run around here and plot hurting us.
 
Matthandyo said:
You can keep trying to blame Obama, I'm going to blame the homophobe with the gun.



Edit: I'll add, if I were to blame Obama for something it would be that he hasn't made it federal law that someone on a terrorist list can't but firearms.
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You keep ignoring Obama's past of catering to muslim extremists. It's documented fact that you refuse to accept. Ordering open and active investigations of known muslims with ties to known extremists to be stopped and closed. The feds were doing the job you want them to do and Obama shut it down. Who does the director of the FBI answer to? That's right. How about head of CIA?
 
youngandfree said:
You keep ignoring Obama's past of catering to muslim extremists. It's documented fact that you refuse to accept. Ordering open and active investigations of known muslims with ties to known extremists to be stopped and closed. The feds were doing the job you want them to do and Obama shut it down. Who does the director of the FBI answer to? That's right. How about head of CIA?
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Yeah Obama gave the standown order when they were ahead in the lead on that Bernadido shooter, Id be shocked if this wasnt the case again last night with the Orlando shooter. Hint, he was already a watched terrorist, lol like people are told to put a tin foil hat on when you question these events.

The problem isnt this or that gun, the problem is big government getting in the way of our law officers and the good ones in the fbi and cia (I actually dont think they are all bad) from doing their job.
 
Matthandyo said:
You can keep trying to blame Obama, I'm going to blame the homophobe with the gun.



Edit: I'll add, if I were to blame Obama for something it would be that he hasn't made it federal law that someone on a terrorist list can't but firearms.
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Obama created ISIS, its a fact intent or no intent his policies created this mess when he started arming unknown rebels and other groups to support his regime changes in lybia, syria and various other areas.

Thanks Obama! aka Barry Soetoro son of Lolo Soetoro who was a terrorist himself during genocide in East Timor. Ok ax1 calm down going off track here, lol
 
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