BOBO::Nobody said Nolva and Clomid don't work AFTER your cycle.
Doggcrapp:: You did!!! By saying clomid and nolvadex dont work at all with exog test in the system--well guess what almost everyone has exogenous test in the system during the first week and maybe even the second week off-FACT! whether from hydrolizing slowly or half life. And since clomid is only used for 2 weeks at a time you explain it to me then because your saying yes and no at the same time
BOBO:: They don't work raising testosterone DURING your cycle. They zero effect raising Testosterone DURING your cycle. At your doses your still ON during the "cruise" peroid. Using Nolva and Clomid during that time is POINTLESS!.
Doggcrapp::if you have exogenous test in your system from fridays shot for 10 days im sorry but thats exog test in the system at the same time nolvadex and clomid is being used
Bobo:o I have to draw pictures for you so you can understand it better?
Doggcrapp:: Yes please and make it kind of like how Nandi made you two look like complete idiots with the clomid study he screwed up your holier than thou opinion on ok--that was classic--tell him thank you for at least having an open mind and saying "speculation" because its just that "speculation" on my part. Im going to end this now because its one thng for us to go arguing back and forth but its quite another when I see you guys ask for help on your home board chemical muscle and then get made to look bad there.
You can't be this dense. It just can't be possible.
After your cycle! As in when levels are not SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL!!! Nolva and Clomid work when levels are NORMAL and/or BELOW! Get that through your head. THe whole arguement is based on DURING your cycle, not AFTER. Your cruis in which 100mg, sometimes 50mg is DURING!!! If you want to talk about PCT and WHY inhibitors are bad we can do that too!! If you actually think that I meant Nolva and Clomid dont' work at all on test production then you need to stop dropping weights on your head. CHeck my posts. I always recommened Nolva AFTER!
If you still have exogneous test in your system and your are ABOVE normal levels then NOLVA/CLOMID will NOT raise test levels. Why? Because their is NOT an imbalance! At least understand the mechanism of how they work before stating your bougs theories!
The clomid study showed how the mechanisms worked and in the end AGREED! You did read it right? YOUR WRONG! And read what Nandi wrote concerning Clomid!!
From Nandi:
"I would think the obvious limitation of using Clomid in this way is that androgens themselves are quite capable of suppressing the HPTA independently of any aromatization. The clomid would help block the effects of estrogen's negative feedback inhibition on the hypothalamus and pituitary, but it will do nothing to prevent androgen feedback suppression of LH production. HCG acts as synthetic LH to directly stimulate the testes, bypassing the problem just described that would arise if you simply attempted to use Clomid."
Get the point?
I dont' care about home boards because Chemical Muscle isn't mine and its not I even one go to, so I don't know what your talking about. I don't care if you look bad. When you provide theories without a clue your going to be called out!! You asked for evidence and I gave it to. Should I interpret it for you so you can't actually understand what it says?
You don't understand your OWN THEORY!